Dogawful Officiating

[Kid Icarus]

1 hour ago, gbandit said:

Feel like I’m in an alternate universe hearing people say it can’t be a penalty because it deflected off Gabriel’s shin. How anyone can say that with a straight face is beyond me. Elanga basically makes contact at the same time as Gabriel’s shin. Even if there was a gap it should still be a penalty

Him and Salah both in the same weekend getting away with the most unnatural position that your arm can possibly be in and reaping the rewards.

[Cf]

18 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

I'm happy to listen to any argument that suggests we've faced some injustice, but if he's defended the situation fairly - and it's ricocheted onto his arm - it seems like a harsh call to give a pen.

 

In a no-VAR world, I'm raging at the ref for not giving it in the first place, with the absence of digital recourse ensuring the decision stays.

 

But there's a difference between ricocheting onto an arm by his side or along the ground vs one that's pointing straight in the air in prime position to block a cross surely?

 

Not that it even really did ricochet - it was struck there by Elanga. Not his fault the defender had his arm up to block his cross.

 

Or is the rule now that you can block crosses and put your arm out as extra security as long as you make sure the ball hits your body first?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

That's what I was asking yesterday, defenders should stop putting their hands behind their backs and start doing Schmeichel star jump saves. 

 

Surely the point is whether he extended his arm in an unnatural way which blocked the cross. It's not like he knew the exact path the ball would follow onto his arm

 

 

Edited September 29, 2025 by AyeDubbleYoo

[TRon]

1 hour ago, gbandit said:

Feel like I’m in an alternate universe hearing people say it can’t be a penalty because it deflected off Gabriel’s shin. How anyone can say that with a straight face is beyond me. Elanga basically makes contact at the same time as Gabriel’s shin. Even if there was a gap it should still be a penalty

 

His arm's raised high, and the ball is heading towards the goal. I don't know why you need to complicate it beyond that. The referee's interpretation is just not necessary, and all it does is raise the suspicion that it will be applied selectively. And 9/10 times it is in favour of the cartel. 

[TRon]

Same goes with the elbow in the face of Woltemade. Just apply the fucking rules, that is literally what VAR is supposed to be there for. Hardly surprising then if people start cooking up conspiracy theories when they see the inconsistency - which is totally avoidable. 

[Adam]

The amount of shirt pulling yesterday was utterly ridiculous. Why aren't they enforcing any of this? If you hold an opponent its a foul, if you start giving 4 pens a game because if it, the defenders will soon learn to stop. 

 

The hit on Big Nick is just like the Barnes one vs Wolves. If he goes down holding his face making a meal of it their player probably gets sent off, but because our players were too honest VAR does fuck all. 

 

 

Edited September 29, 2025 by Adam

[madras]

13 minutes ago, Adam said:

The amount of shirt pulling yesterday was utterly ridiculous. Why aren't they enforcing any of this? If you hold an opponent its a foul, if you start giving 4 pens a game because if it, the defenders will soon learn to stop. 

 

The hit on Big Nick is just like the Barnes one vs Wolves. If he goes down holding his face making a meal of it their player probably gets sent off, but because our players were too honest VAR does fuck all. 

 

 

 

Every set piece in and round their box had Burns top almost pulled off him.

[TRon]

18 minutes ago, Adam said:

The amount of shirt pulling yesterday was utterly ridiculous. Why aren't they enforcing any of this? If you hold an opponent its a foul, if you start giving 4 pens a game because if it, the defenders will soon learn to stop. 

 

The hit on Big Nick is just like the Barnes one vs Wolves. If he goes down holding his face making a meal of it their player probably gets sent off, but because our players were too honest VAR does fuck all. 

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly. Just get rid of the rules if you don't want to apply them. Don't make a song and dance if you are only going to apply them selectively. 

 

Or...could just put an adendum to the rule book that these rules will be applied selectively, that way all bases are covered and no room for complaints. 

[Hanshithispantz]

I don't even know if it's intentional, but the gaslighting does my head in. Pope got the ball, yet they kept mentioning the incident as if it was contentious. 

 

The elbow was soft, but it's a clear red, yet it got nowhere near the same attention. Same with the blatant red in the Liverpool game when Barnes was wiped out by Konate last man.

 

It makes you feel shit being upset over poor decisions because you've also 'got away with one'.

 

 

Edited September 29, 2025 by Hanshithispantz

[KingArthur]

1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said:

Him and Salah both in the same weekend getting away with the most unnatural position that your arm can possibly be in and reaping the rewards.

I think in both cases the decision is that they cannot say for sure. You cannot see a clear change of direction from Salah's arm and you cannot 100 % say that it didn't hit Gabriel's shin and bounce from there, so in both cases ref's call stood.

[Lush Vlad]

I’m not that arsed about the pen. It’s the lack of a red card for Gabriel or them seemingly not even looking at it that has fucked me off the most. Totally unnatural way to try and block someone’s run. So it can hardly be deemed accidental. 

 

You see players get sent off for gently pushing someone in the face. Yet throwing both arms into someone’s head isn’t even a card?!

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I think we should have someone on corners whose only job is to stand next to Dan Burn and call out how much he’s being pulled back. 

[Nobody]

What minute was the Gabriel head push on Burn? 

[Hanshithispantz]

59 minutes ago, Nobody said:

What minute was the Gabriel head push on Burn? 

Was on Wolt, not long after our goal.

[Armchair Pundit]

1 hour ago, Lush Vlad said:

I’m not that arsed about the pen. It’s the lack of a red card for Gabriel or them seemingly not even looking at it that has fucked me off the most. Totally unnatural way to try and block someone’s run. So it can hardly be deemed accidental. 

 

You see players get sent off for gently pushing someone in the face. Yet throwing both arms into someone’s head isn’t even a card?!

 

Worryingly, I didn't even see any coverage of this 'punch' on Woltemade, not to a decent level, until this morning - to think that VAR passed it is crazy!

[Mattoon]

We didn't really deserve to win that game but decisions like that are what change games, just look at Chlesea who were all over Brighton until the sending off. Genuinely feel aggrieved the way the refereeing went, especially the handball shout, if the rules state that it wasn't handball because of some meaningless clip of the shin (which is indecipherable btw) then the rules are wrong, his hand was as high as it could be to prevent the cross, feels like a total stitch up. 

 

However, I won't be taking to Twitter to comment on every Arsenal post for the next 6 months.

[Mattoon]

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Dale Johnson, a VAR expert has highlighted two clauses that mean the Magpies can feel rightfully hard done by. He told ESPN that the clause reads: "A very clear deflection that results in a significant change in trajectory of the ball should carry greater weight than arm position when considering a handball offence. However, touching another body part before contact with the arm does not automatically mean a handball cannot be penalised."

He said: "We shouldn't expect Gabriel to have his arm by his side, but it also shouldn't be as high as it was. So was there a "significant change in trajectory"?

 

[Froggy]

I'm only seeing the elbow on Woltemade now. That's insane. Clear red. 

 

For me the handball was a pen as well given how raised his hand was. 

 

Bruno G's handball was also a pen for me. A clear one. 

[Kid Icarus]

Ah you just couldn't do it could you?

[Froggy]

1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said:

Ah you just couldn't do it could you?

 

You don't think Bruno's handball was a pen?

[Hanshithispantz]

I'll need to see it again but Bruno was clearly trying to move his hand out of the way? It was in an unnatural position like, but from what I understand as long as you're not outstretched and are clearly making an effort to get out the way it's not going to be given.

[Kid Icarus]

1 minute ago, Froggy said:

 

You don't think Bruno's handball was a pen?

 

Not for me, no - it's in the seen them given but the majority would class it as extremely harsh category for me, but in the context of a game where Gabriel's wasn't given it would be an absolutely outrageous decision. Of the three calls (Pope, Gabriel, Bruno) it's the one that's least a pen. 

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, Hanshithispantz said:

I'll need to see it again but Bruno was clearly trying to move his hand out of the way? It was in an unnatural position like, but from what I understand as long as you're not outstretched and are clearly making an effort to get out the way it's not going to be given.

 

He did move his hands out of the way then moved it back out again to block the ball. 

 

Hands are both pulled into his body here. His left arm is properly tucked in. 

 

Then when the ball comes closer his left hand is almost fully extended. 

 

 

It's a very clear pen. 

[Kid Icarus]

Or just watch the video

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

It's obviously not a penalty, fans of other clubs are really winding me up today