Parky Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Could you imagine Keegan or SBR being so conservative with him? Not a chance. They'd just tell him to go out there and strut his stuff and not to worry about how many yards he does. Agree. Pardew is more another Chumps, rather than a Keegan. Fixed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Am I reading too much into his first reaction after scoring being to point at our fans? Wondering if it was recognition of the support he's had and the fans chanting his name when he's on the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Am I reading too much into his first reaction after scoring being to point at our fans? Wondering if it was recognition of the support he's had and the fans chanting his name when he's on the bench. Also the support he had during his injury I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Could you imagine Keegan or SBR being so conservative with him? Not a chance. They'd just tell him to go out there and strut his stuff and not to worry about how many yards he does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 It would be amazing if we let the opposition worry about our players, rather focus on how we can stifle them at the expense of our attacking style. Quite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Could you imagine Keegan or SBR being so conservative with him? Not a chance. They'd just tell him to go out there and strut his stuff and not to worry about how many yards he does. Agree. Pardew is more another Deschamps, rather than a Keegan. Which is what we need at this time. Maybe. Deschamps won the title imo. But his football was (still is) boring as f***. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Was over the moon when he scored yesterday, knocked me bubble and squeek on the floor but I did not give a shit. Really hope he can nail a starting spot now and cause havoc to the Liverpool defence next game! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Could you imagine Keegan or SBR being so conservative with him? Not a chance. They'd just tell him to go out there and strut his stuff and not to worry about how many yards he does. Agree. Pardew is more another Deschamps, rather than a Keegan. Which is what we need at this time. Maybe. Deschamps won the title imo. But his football was (still is) boring as f***. And what has Keegan won in his managerial career? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VaVaVoom Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Great goal yesterday, delighted he's off the mark this season and once again there was those glimpses of what he is all about. That said you can see what AP is talking about...He lost the ball quite a few times although nothing came of it and for me he doesnt cover enough ground neither. I think the latter statement is why AP isnt starting him. Maybe Barfa is still working on his stamina to cover ground for 80-90mins and when his stats reflect this then he will be given a start consistently. AP loves his stats and it is a good way of looking at your side but with a "maverick" kind of player then there is exceptions and Barfa is just that. He is a game changer and should be starting behind Ba. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 These 'stats' could mean anything though. He could be talking about acceleration or speed endurance. Those are things that are quite key to Ben Arfa's game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 And what has Keegan won in his managerial career? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Could you imagine Keegan or SBR being so conservative with him? Not a chance. They'd just tell him to go out there and strut his stuff and not to worry about how many yards he does. Agree. Pardew is more another Deschamps, rather than a Keegan. Which is what we need at this time. Maybe. Deschamps won the title imo. But his football was (still is) boring as f***. And what has Keegan won in his managerial career? You know, despite Deschamps title, Marseille's fans are still chanting Gerets (who did nothing in terms of results) name at Velodrome. But we were talking about managing a talent like HBA. Hopefully, there are still managers in the football planet who will play such a footballer week in, week out, and succeed to get the best from him. Keegan is an exemple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mimifrench Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 http://www.rmcsport.fr/editorial/213003/d-ba-ben-arfa-va-prouver-qu-il-merite-de-jouer/ Demba BA : "Ben arfa will prove that he deserves to play." http://www.rmcsport.fr/editorial/212935/demba-ba-ben-arfa-va-retrouver-son-niveau/ D. BA : "Ben arfa will reach/find again his level". BA said that HBA works really hard, he's progressively finding again his physical condition. This goal is great for him. He also said that it wasn't a easy goal to score but it was simple for Hatem. Moreover, he said that it's not easy for him to be on the bench but he accepts it and will prove that he deserves to play! But BA don't worry at all for Hatem, he just needs to carry on playing games... PS : BA also said in the interview that it wasn't possible to not love Cabaye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 A problem for HBA and that No10 role in a 4-4-2 is that it does demand a lot of energy and fitness. Beardsley and Bellamy used to run their cods off every game. It doesn't look like Hatem is there yet, and perhaps ultimately it's not his optimum position. At some stage, I'd like to see him wide in a 4-3-3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 I thought yesterday was his best cameo of the season, in terms of ball retention and working as part of the team. He passed more and supported Ba as the 'anchor' of the attack in the last 20 minutes or so. Tooj has it totally spot on though. With players of the ability of Ben Arfa, sitting there and calculating the statistics is an utterly pointless exercise. The only stat that matters is the amount of points we accumulate from his raw talent and ability to single handedly change a game. Bobby wouldn't have thought twice about throwing him in - Pardew should do the same. I'll say this for one, he'll definitely score and create more goals than his giving the ball away costs us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 http://www.rmcsport.fr/editorial/213003/d-ba-ben-arfa-va-prouver-qu-il-merite-de-jouer/ Demba BA : "Ben arfa will prove that he deserves to play." http://www.rmcsport.fr/editorial/212935/demba-ba-ben-arfa-va-retrouver-son-niveau/ D. BA : "Ben arfa will reach/find again his level". BA said that HBA works really hard, he's progressively finding again his physical condition. This goal is great for him. He also said that it wasn't a easy goal to score but it was simple for Hatem. Moreover, he said that it's not easy for him to be on the bench but he accepts it and will prove that he deserves to play! But BA don't worry at all for Hatem, he just needs to carry on playing games... PS : BA also said in the interview that it wasn't possible to not love Cabaye. I don't know if you have ever read that : http://enigme-hba.blogspot.com/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 http://www.rmcsport.fr/editorial/213003/d-ba-ben-arfa-va-prouver-qu-il-merite-de-jouer/ Demba BA : "Ben arfa will prove that he deserves to play." http://www.rmcsport.fr/editorial/212935/demba-ba-ben-arfa-va-retrouver-son-niveau/ D. BA : "Ben arfa will reach/find again his level". BA said that HBA works really hard, he's progressively finding again his physical condition. This goal is great for him. He also said that it wasn't a easy goal to score but it was simple for Hatem. Moreover, he said that it's not easy for him to be on the bench but he accepts it and will prove that he deserves to play! But BA don't worry at all for Hatem, he just needs to carry on playing games... PS : BA also said in the interview that it wasn't possible to not love Cabaye. Ben Arfa admits in tonights chronicle that he isn't 100% fit yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BEN BEN BEN ARFA Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 why you call it Benny ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 A problem for HBA and that No10 role in a 4-4-2 is that it does demand a lot of energy and fitness. Beardsley and Bellamy used to run their cods off every game. It doesn't look like Hatem is there yet, and perhaps ultimately it's not his optimum position. At some stage, I'd like to see him wide in a 4-3-3. http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01389/eric-cantona_1389972c.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mimifrench Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 http://www.rmcsport.fr/editorial/213003/d-ba-ben-arfa-va-prouver-qu-il-merite-de-jouer/ Demba BA : "Ben arfa will prove that he deserves to play." http://www.rmcsport.fr/editorial/212935/demba-ba-ben-arfa-va-retrouver-son-niveau/ D. BA : "Ben arfa will reach/find again his level". BA said that HBA works really hard, he's progressively finding again his physical condition. This goal is great for him. He also said that it wasn't a easy goal to score but it was simple for Hatem. Moreover, he said that it's not easy for him to be on the bench but he accepts it and will prove that he deserves to play! But BA don't worry at all for Hatem, he just needs to carry on playing games... PS : BA also said in the interview that it wasn't possible to not love Cabaye. I don't know if you have ever read that : http://enigme-hba.blogspot.com/ Yes, I remember reading it a long time ago. Thought it was very true but after when you take it with some distance, it's funnier more than anything. It's clearly an interesting point of view but the "complot theory" is a little too much I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 I've got a horrible feeling theres something not right between Ben Arfa and Pardew. hopefully wrong like. Got to start the next few games infront of Best. Not just Liverpool and Man utd but Blackburn, QPR and Fulham too. Lets give this lad a chance and see what he can do ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 I've got a horrible feeling theres something not right between Ben Arfa and Pardew. hopefully wrong like. Got to start the next few games infront of Best. Not just Liverpool and Man utd but Blackburn, QPR and Fulham too. Lets give this lad a chance and see what he can do ffs. I'm not worried about their relationship to be honest, i'm more worried that Pardew lacks the imagination to make best use of him, whether it be as a no. 10 or on the wing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 If HBA himself is saying he's not fully fit then i can't see there being a problem. I've always been saying I think it'll be next season before he's fully up to speed so I can't criticise Pardew too much if it's a fitness issue, it's a hard case to argue though after he started against the two manchesters and chelsea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BEN BEN BEN ARFA Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 http://www.rmcsport.fr/editorial/213003/d-ba-ben-arfa-va-prouver-qu-il-merite-de-jouer/ Demba BA : "Ben arfa will prove that he deserves to play." http://www.rmcsport.fr/editorial/212935/demba-ba-ben-arfa-va-retrouver-son-niveau/ D. BA : "Ben arfa will reach/find again his level". BA said that HBA works really hard, he's progressively finding again his physical condition. This goal is great for him. He also said that it wasn't a easy goal to score but it was simple for Hatem. Moreover, he said that it's not easy for him to be on the bench but he accepts it and will prove that he deserves to play! But BA don't worry at all for Hatem, he just needs to carry on playing games... PS : BA also said in the interview that it wasn't possible to not love Cabaye. I don't know if you have ever read that : http://enigme-hba.blogspot.com/ @ Guy Carlier, who raised the case of HBA in a TV show, had the words "... I get angry every time we try to assassinate a Mozart" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 http://www.rmcsport.fr/editorial/213003/d-ba-ben-arfa-va-prouver-qu-il-merite-de-jouer/ Demba BA : "Ben arfa will prove that he deserves to play." http://www.rmcsport.fr/editorial/212935/demba-ba-ben-arfa-va-retrouver-son-niveau/ D. BA : "Ben arfa will reach/find again his level". BA said that HBA works really hard, he's progressively finding again his physical condition. This goal is great for him. He also said that it wasn't a easy goal to score but it was simple for Hatem. Moreover, he said that it's not easy for him to be on the bench but he accepts it and will prove that he deserves to play! But BA don't worry at all for Hatem, he just needs to carry on playing games... PS : BA also said in the interview that it wasn't possible to not love Cabaye. I don't know if you have ever read that : http://enigme-hba.blogspot.com/ Yes, I remember reading it a long time ago. Thought it was very true but after when you take it with some distance, it's funnier more than anything. It's clearly an interesting point of view but the "complot theory" is a little too much I think. The "complot theory" apart , it identifies perfectly Deschamps inconsistenties towards Hatem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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