SMTW Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Referee should have given it anyway Pisses me off when commentators say "if he'd gone down he probably would have got a penalty." They probably have the truth of it but that shouldn't make a difference. How come standing on your feet makes it any less of a penalty? Just encourages people to be overly dramatic like that twatful Torres chap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfcmagpies Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 One of the best things about Hatem- so unusual to see such a brilliant flair player stay on his feet and play in the spirit of the game. Rarely recall seeing him dive- he backs his ability on his feet, if he goes to ground you know there's a reason for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spiria Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Alan Pardew expects Hatem Ben Arfa to give Newcastle a magic touch and take his performances to another level. The France international was outstanding, even in defeat, and Pardew believes making the Euro 2012 squad will have given him greater confidence. Ben Arfa was in good company as Eden Hazard and Fernando Torres stole the headlines in Newcastle's 2-0 defeat at Stamford Bridge on Saturday. But Pardew is hoping for great things from his own player this season. “He’s always been confident in training, he’s played well in the first two games and he looks fitter and in a bit better condition than he did last year,” said Pardew. “And obviously the games in the Euros and the games he was in last year buoyed him. And I have to say he does look the one who is going to unlock it for us. “He gives us a bit of magic, yes. And when we dictate the play a little bit more at home, he obviously influences the play a bit more there as well. “But for an away performance he was right up there for us.” Ben Arfa was one of the Newcastle stars who played such a major part in their march into Europe last season. 45 minutes of pre-season, was a doubt for the first match and finally fittest than ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Get him further up the pitch Alan, you did it to good effect last year and he wasn't at full speed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Free role is what Benny needs, he is a more gifted skilful player than Hazzard but the main difference is an awareness and a desire to please others. Benny is more selfish with the ball but that is not a deliberate decision its a personality trait, Hazzard is just as happy to create as he is to score he has an awesome awareness of who is around him where as Benny is more head down try to be "the man". If Pards can get Benny to be more of a link man a team player get him to love being a creator as well as a goal scorer then we will have one of the greatest players football has ever seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 After witnesses the start of this season I´m concluded two thins. 1) He is the most awesomeness fotboll player, at this club anyway 2) He needs to be the central person in our build ups. He should have a free role in the middle of the park behind Ba and Cisse, in a kind of a 4-3-1-2 system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Free role is what Benny needs, he is a more gifted skilful player than Hazzard but the main difference is an awareness and a desire to please others. Benny is more selfish with the ball but that is not a deliberate decision its a personality trait, Hazzard is just as happy to create as he is to score he has an awesome awareness of who is around him where as Benny is more head down try to be "the man". If Pards can get Benny to be more of a link man a team player get him to love being a creator as well as a goal scorer then we will have one of the greatest players football has ever seen. would like to see hba with the movement chelsea offer hazard personally....he can travel with the ball as much as he wants but if the rest of the team remains static as they seem to do he'll always struggle to create, anyone would Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 would like to see hba with the movement chelsea offer hazard personally....he can travel with the ball as much as he wants but if the rest of the team remains static as they seem to do he'll always struggle to create, anyone would Our movement off the ball to create space has been a bit poor so far this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest n4e Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Free role is what Benny needs, he is a more gifted skilful player than Hazzard but the main difference is an awareness and a desire to please others. Benny is more selfish with the ball but that is not a deliberate decision its a personality trait, Hazzard is just as happy to create as he is to score he has an awesome awareness of who is around him where as Benny is more head down try to be "the man". If Pards can get Benny to be more of a link man a team player get him to love being a creator as well as a goal scorer then we will have one of the greatest players football has ever seen. I'm sorry but :lol: Hazard can do it with both feet and has far more in his locker in terms of 'skill'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Hazard plays the game simpler. Don't think he has as much flair as wor Hatem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Free role is what Benny needs, he is a more gifted skilful player than Hazzard but the main difference is an awareness and a desire to please others. Benny is more selfish with the ball but that is not a deliberate decision its a personality trait, Hazzard is just as happy to create as he is to score he has an awesome awareness of who is around him where as Benny is more head down try to be "the man". If Pards can get Benny to be more of a link man a team player get him to love being a creator as well as a goal scorer then we will have one of the greatest players football has ever seen. I'm sorry but :lol: Hazard can do it with both feet and has far more in his locker in terms of 'skill'. Far more skill than Ben Arfa? You're high as a kite mate. I agree more or less with Skirge's assessment with the caveat that, as others have said, Hazard has more movement in front of him at Chelsea than Ben Arfa has in front of him currently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMTW Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 After witnesses the start of this season I´m concluded two thins. 1) He is the most awesomeness fotboll player, at this club anyway 2) He needs to be the central person in our build ups. He should have a free role in the middle of the park behind Ba and Cisse, in a kind of a 4-3-1-2 system. Think that system lacks too little width for us, especially if we're gonna have to perservere with Simpson as a RB. I actually think Ben Arfa gets more joy in the wider positions when he can just stand his full back up then put him on his arse. I would love for him to have the freedom to switch flanks though and just pop up where he wants. I actually think Johnson would have been a good signing for us as it would have given us this freedom up top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest n4e Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Free role is what Benny needs, he is a more gifted skilful player than Hazzard but the main difference is an awareness and a desire to please others. Benny is more selfish with the ball but that is not a deliberate decision its a personality trait, Hazzard is just as happy to create as he is to score he has an awesome awareness of who is around him where as Benny is more head down try to be "the man". If Pards can get Benny to be more of a link man a team player get him to love being a creator as well as a goal scorer then we will have one of the greatest players football has ever seen. I'm sorry but :lol: Hazard can do it with both feet and has far more in his locker in terms of 'skill'. Far more skill than Ben Arfa? You're high as a kite mate. I agree more or less with Skirge's assessment with the caveat that, as others have said, Hazard has more movement in front of him at Chelsea than Ben Arfa has in front of him currently. Go watch some of his performances for Lille, his footwork is phenomenal and the speed at which he pulls of his step overs, chops, half scoop turns etc is incredible. I mean the technique where he whipped in a bouncing ball first time whilst on the run with a rabona last season was crazy, I don't think I've ever seen a better one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Hazard plays the game simpler. Don't think he has as much flair as wor Hatem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 This guy's pure dribbling ability is out of this world. These first two games he has been embarrassing people left, right and centre. Absolutely filthy stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Free role is what Benny needs, he is a more gifted skilful player than Hazzard but the main difference is an awareness and a desire to please others. Benny is more selfish with the ball but that is not a deliberate decision its a personality trait, Hazzard is just as happy to create as he is to score he has an awesome awareness of who is around him where as Benny is more head down try to be "the man". If Pards can get Benny to be more of a link man a team player get him to love being a creator as well as a goal scorer then we will have one of the greatest players football has ever seen. I'm sorry but :lol: Hazard can do it with both feet and has far more in his locker in terms of 'skill'. Far more skill than Ben Arfa? You're high as a kite mate. I agree more or less with Skirge's assessment with the caveat that, as others have said, Hazard has more movement in front of him at Chelsea than Ben Arfa has in front of him currently. Go watch some of his performances for Lille, his footwork is phenomenal and the speed at which he pulls of his step overs, chops, half scoop turns etc is incredible. I mean the technique where he whipped in a bouncing ball first time whilst on the run with a rabona last season was crazy, I don't think I've ever seen a better one. Ben Arfa doesn't seem that bothered about specific tricks (Torres probably does more), he just fly's past three and four players for fun regularly, in the Premier League (rather than Ligue 1). Seriously Hazard looks an exciting player and very well rounded, Ben Arfa's dribbling is about as good as it gets though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spiria Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Only Moussa Dembele (6) has produced more successful dribbles per game in the new Premier League season than Hatem Ben Arfa -5.5. Has the potential to be the best dribbler in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 I am happy I sparked this debate. But Benny is a more technically gifted player than Hazzard but given the choice right now Hazzard is the better player. He has an incredible awareness and that is not just down to the players he is playing alongside, Benny has skills in abundance but its how he uses it that is the issue right now. I am in no doubt though that once Benny matures as a player he will be unplayable, I also think Pardew can and will sort his game out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 I am happy I sparked this debate. But Benny is a more technically gifted player than Hazzard but given the choice right now Hazzard is the better player. He has an incredible awareness and that is not just down to the players he is playing alongside, Benny has skills in abundance but its how he uses it that is the issue right now. I am in no doubt though that once Benny matures as a player he will be unplayable, I also think Pardew can and will sort his game out. If Hazard is a better player now it's because he has players around him who are doing more to make him look good than ours are doing to make Ben Arfa look good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Hazzard is making them look good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Think he means Chelsea's players are offering more assistance to Hazard than ours are to Ben Arfa so far, and he's right. At the moment Ben Arfa's had to be almost a one man show at times. While even in the first few minutes of Chelsea's season we saw a central defender make a great run to give Hazard an easy through ball for the first goal. Had Ben Arfa turned his man there, which he often does, would we have a player making that kind of run?, not at the moment. Its going to be interesting to see comparisons between these two players evolve as the season goes by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 play HBA in Hazard's role in that Chelsea side and he'd do the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniatmoko Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Play Ben Arfa on Chelsea squad... he will got more wankfest than Hazard. Ability to ghost pass players skip 3 - 4 players like Ben Arfa (like doing it with ease like dancing) is not yet i've seen on Hazard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Hazard is more about brain than actual ability, don't get me wrong he's an insanely talented player with absolutely everything going for him. But what make's him so great is his brain, decision making, appreciation of space etc etc he's also very economical he only get's involved when he needs too and then disappears when he knows he isn't needed. While Hatem is more individual ability with insane dribbling and close control which allows him to easily get past 3 or 4 players consistently. Infact combine the both together and you know who you have? Messi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spiria Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 The reputation he has in France will follow him all the time : on RMC they say that his attitude is s*** even in newcastle. And comparaison with Hazard...... And he doesn't do anything in the match, and he is not decisive....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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