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Trying not to make big irrational statements and being aware that the present can be a lot clearer than the past, but I'm now going to say it.

In my opinion, and I realise many others will disagree, over decades of watching Newcastle United, Hatem Ben Arfa is the most talented player I have seen in our shirt.

Previously I would have said Gazza.

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Well said Mick, the guy is class. I Am trying to remember a player we have had at the club like him, struggling.

 

 

Beardsley or Ginola.

 

I reckon he is better than Ginola.  Certainly when it comes to end product.

 

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Trying not to make big irrational statements and being aware that the present can be a lot clearer than the past, but I'm now going to say it.

In my opinion, and I realise many others will disagree, over decades of watching Newcastle United, Hatem Ben Arfa is the most talented player I have seen in our shirt.

Previously I would have said Gazza.

 

Interesting, how would you rate Beardsley in comparison?

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Trying not to make big irrational statements and being aware that the present can be a lot clearer than the past, but I'm now going to say it.

In my opinion, and I realise many others will disagree, over decades of watching Newcastle United, Hatem Ben Arfa is the most talented player I have seen in our shirt.

Previously I would have said Gazza.

 

Tough one mind, I would say Beardsley, Gazza, Ginola and maybe Solano.

 

looking forward to see how Ben Arfa does this season.

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Trying not to make big irrational statements and being aware that the present can be a lot clearer than the past, but I'm now going to say it.

In my opinion, and I realise many others will disagree, over decades of watching Newcastle United, Hatem Ben Arfa is the most talented player I have seen in our shirt.

Previously I would have said Gazza.

 

Interesting, how would you rate Beardsley in comparison?

 

Different of course, and it is difficult to compare players who both have sublime and unique talent.

Saying what I said is in no way meant to be detrimental to players like Beardsley, Gazza, Tony Green, Ginola etc, who were of course wonderfully gifted footballers, but I just think that HBA takes it to an even higher level as far as natural ability is concerned.

It's like he's a magician at times, doing things which are not really possible.

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Trying not to make big irrational statements and being aware that the present can be a lot clearer than the past, but I'm now going to say it.

In my opinion, and I realise many others will disagree, over decades of watching Newcastle United, Hatem Ben Arfa is the most talented player I have seen in our shirt.

Previously I would have said Gazza.

 

Interesting, how would you rate Beardsley in comparison?

 

Different of course, and it is difficult to compare players who both have sublime and unique talent.

Saying what I said is in no way meant to be detrimental to players like Beardsley, Gazza, Tony Green, Ginola etc, who were of course wonderfully gifted footballers, but I just think that HBA takes it to an even higher level as far as natural ability is concerned.

It's like he's a magician at times, doing things which are not really possible.

 

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That's what Hatem needs IMO, a Solano on the opposite flank. Chalk and cheese as wide midfielders but beautiful footballers.

 

Marv looks similar to Solano.

 

I hope he gets more time on the pitch.

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Nobody on here saw the Leazes Terrace discussion/debate about Ben Arfa yesterday then? 

 

Leazes Terrace ‏@LeazesTerrace

Drop Ben Arfa and not have that goal. Or drop Ben Arfa and presume you create more goals as a team without him. Unenviable problem.

 

Leazes Terrace ‏@LeazesTerrace

Personally I'd still stick with him, even drifting in an out of games, for the moment that can produce *that*. But I could easily be wrong.

 

@MacAree I'd tend to agree, but it is the great unknown sometimes. If Marveaux creates 2 goals and we win... Hypothetical.

 

Like his stuff and almost exclusively agree with most his tweets regarding formation, players etc.  But failed to see his angle here?  We need him to drift about, as the long ball game with a rigid, flat 4-4-2 is creating fuck all.  Hatem's presence alone draws players all over the shop and keeps opposition defenders guessing all the while.  So far, he's been our go to guy and looks like the only player capable of scoring or fashioning a chance for himself or for others.  He even got in a decent header yesterday FFS  :lol:

 

Apparently formation wasn't on the agenda in this debate, but if we played HBA in a free role, or wide in a front 3, with less defensive responsibilities.  He'd be the third name on the teamsheet for every game IMO (after Krul and Colo).

 

I know he's actually advocating keeping him in the lineup, but the thought of dropping our best player never even entered my mind TBH?

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Leazes Terrace ‏@LeazesTerrace

Drop Ben Arfa and not have that goal. Or drop Ben Arfa and presume you create more goals as a team without him. Unenviable problem.

 

Leazes Terrace ‏@LeazesTerrace

Personally I'd still stick with him, even drifting in an out of games, for the moment that can produce *that*. But I could easily be wrong.

 

@MacAree I'd tend to agree, but it is the great unknown sometimes. If Marveaux creates 2 goals and we win... Hypothetical.

 

 

stopped reading

 

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Nobody on here saw the Leazes Terrace discussion/debate about Ben Arfa yesterday then? 

 

Leazes Terrace ‏@LeazesTerrace

Drop Ben Arfa and not have that goal. Or drop Ben Arfa and presume you create more goals as a team without him. Unenviable problem.

 

Leazes Terrace ‏@LeazesTerrace

Personally I'd still stick with him, even drifting in an out of games, for the moment that can produce *that*. But I could easily be wrong.

 

@MacAree I'd tend to agree, but it is the great unknown sometimes. If Marveaux creates 2 goals and we win... Hypothetical.

Not on twitter and don't really read up on this stuff but what the fuck is he thinking? Drop Ben Arfa? Our only creative threat, our best passer and most mobile and athletic player at the moment? What an absolute waste of time some people's opinions are

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Nobody on here saw the Leazes Terrace discussion/debate about Ben Arfa yesterday then? 

 

Leazes Terrace ‏@LeazesTerrace

Drop Ben Arfa and not have that goal. Or drop Ben Arfa and presume you create more goals as a team without him. Unenviable problem.

 

Leazes Terrace ‏@LeazesTerrace

Personally I'd still stick with him, even drifting in an out of games, for the moment that can produce *that*. But I could easily be wrong.

 

@MacAree I'd tend to agree, but it is the great unknown sometimes. If Marveaux creates 2 goals and we win... Hypothetical.

Not on twitter and don't really read up on this stuff but what the f*** is he thinking? Drop Ben Arfa? Our only creative threat, our best passer and most mobile and athletic player at the moment? What an absolute waste of time some people's opinions are

 

I dont think he was suggesting it in w should definitely do it, more of an open question about the dilemma we have.

 

I wouldn't have him mind but I would also look try and get mar in to help us move the ball around a bit better. 

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Nobody on here saw the Leazes Terrace discussion/debate about Ben Arfa yesterday then? 

 

Leazes Terrace ‏@LeazesTerrace

Drop Ben Arfa and not have that goal. Or drop Ben Arfa and presume you create more goals as a team without him. Unenviable problem.

 

Leazes Terrace ‏@LeazesTerrace

Personally I'd still stick with him, even drifting in an out of games, for the moment that can produce *that*. But I could easily be wrong.

 

@MacAree I'd tend to agree, but it is the great unknown sometimes. If Marveaux creates 2 goals and we win... Hypothetical.

Not on twitter and don't really read up on this stuff but what the fuck is he thinking? Drop Ben Arfa? Our only creative threat, our best passer and most mobile and athletic player at the moment? What an absolute waste of time some people's opinions are

 

The only negative about playing Ben Arfa is that it deprives you of Ben Arfa the ultimate impact sub  :)

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The fix the the Benny issue (if there even is one) is to play him central in a free role as long as he understands we also need him to chase back when the pressure is on.

 

He proved he is not one footed and having him wide right takes away from his game and I also feel that he knows this and is a little disinterested when stuck out there.

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I was watching on my laptop, so didn't have the best picture, but he seemed to go into a free role towards the end of the first half.  Drifted about quite a bit in the other two games as well.

 

I really didn't know what our formation was in the second half.  But I do know Hatem looks better when he hasn't got to stick to a set position.  His movement is so good and it will either mean he finds space unmarked, or he'll always have one of their players (or 2, or 3) tracking him, thus opening up space for others. 

 

Can't believe how shite our movement and 'passing' has been.  If anything, it's been worse than last season.  Hope it's down to fitness issues and not because we're set on playing Allardyce like tactics.

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Labelled best winger in the league by a very good Swedish journalist. He has a soft sport for Newcastle, but it's nice to see him getting praise like that.

 

Marching towards the favourite player ever title.

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