Guest neesy111 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 We need players available for most of a season, not 15 games which is his average for us. An average slightly skewed by the fact he missed a year with a broken leg? He missed just about half of last season, and a 1/3 of the season before. Injury Proned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 We need players available for most of a season, not 15 games which is his average for us. An average slightly skewed by the fact he missed a year with a broken leg? He missed just about half of last season, and a 1/3 of the season before. Injury Proned. Broken ankle the season before wasn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 We need players available for most of a season, not 15 games which is his average for us. An average slightly skewed by the fact he missed a year with a broken leg? He missed just about half of last season, and a 1/3 of the season before. Injury Proned. He's had one muscle injury that's never been given time to heal. It's not like he's constantly picking up little twinges, everything has been impact injuries bar the hamstring which was clearly mismanaged (either by Pardew, our medical team or the one at Clairfontaine). To say he's injury prone is a bit much, he very well might be, but there's no real evidence for it yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Is this what this club has reduced fans to? We're stuck with Pardew so let's sell Cisse and Ben Arfa and buy Etherington and Carlton Cole Not quite, but we need width and he doesn't provide it, and under the current manager we need players that will suit his style ultimately. I think a few people need to take their blinkers off regarding Ben Arfa, I don't think he does anywhere near enough over 90 minutes with or without the ball That's the last thing we need. We need Pardew to adapt to the players he has not adapt our squad to a shit manager. If he can't adapt then ultimately he'll be sacked, and because we didn't give him control over player recruitment we'll still have good players at the club for the next man who comes in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Is this what this club has reduced fans to? We're stuck with Pardew so let's sell Cisse and Ben Arfa and buy Etherington and Carlton Cole Not quite, but we need width and he doesn't provide it, and under the current manager we need players that will suit his style ultimately. I think a few people need to take their blinkers off regarding Ben Arfa, I don't think he does anywhere near enough over 90 minutes with or without the ball That's the last thing we need. We need Pardew to adapt to the players he has not adapt our squad to a shit manager. If he can't adapt then ultimately he'll be sacked, and because we didn't give him control over player recruitment we'll still have good players at the club for the next man who comes in. This is definitely what will happen, for good or bad. There's absolutely no chance that Ashley will change our recruitment policy to suit Pardew. No chance at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Selling Benny would rip the soul out of our fans, losing such an amazing talent, our only real crowd lifter. I don't care if its £30m + ON;Y way we sell is if he demands to go, no reason to have him jumping on planes and legging it. He says he wants to stay then shop shut on Benny as any price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Selling Benny would rip the soul out of our fans, losing such an amazing talent, our only real crowd lifter. I don't care if its £30m + ON;Y way we sell is if he demands to go, no reason to have him jumping on planes and legging it. He says he wants to stay then shop shut on Benny as any price. Amen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 If he doesn't sign a new contract this summer I think he'll be leaving at some point. There's 2 years left now so it's an ideal time to sort one out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC_Sam Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 So many people have been brainwashed by Pardew and the management in this thread. Unbelievable. This s*** is absolutely f***ing tragic. Honestly, just the worst. Cannot stand this line. It is a fact. Anyone contemplating selling this guy is deluded. He is our most technically gifted player and it would destroy us to lose our best player. If someone can name a more influential player in our squad then go ahead but it ain't happening. Seriously, what is the point in selling our best player? The money isn't going to be reinvested into the playing squad and as I said, we won't be able to attract anyone with the same amount of influence and flair this guy has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 They may very well be deluded, I wouldn't argue with that. That doesn't mean they've been brainwashed. It's not a fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC_Sam Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 They may very well be deluded, I wouldn't argue with that. That doesn't mean they've been brainwashed. It's not a fact. Slight exaggeration, but if it wasn't for Pardew's constant "we won't be able to hold off offers from big clubs" people wouldn't be deliberating it as if it is a viable solution to cash in on our best player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Right bunch of Freddy Shepherds in here... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 They may very well be deluded, I wouldn't argue with that. That doesn't mean they've been brainwashed. It's not a fact. Slight exaggeration, but if it wasn't for Pardew's constant "we won't be able to hold off offers from big clubs" people wouldn't be deliberating it as if it is a viable solution to cash in on our best player. That's just reality, though. If a bigger club does come in, the player wants to go, and they offer enough cash, he'll go. We can try to squeeze every penny out of them in the process, but it'll not change the final outcome. It's just how it works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC_Sam Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 They may very well be deluded, I wouldn't argue with that. That doesn't mean they've been brainwashed. It's not a fact. Slight exaggeration, but if it wasn't for Pardew's constant "we won't be able to hold off offers from big clubs" people wouldn't be deliberating it as if it is a viable solution to cash in on our best player. That's just reality, though. If a bigger club does come in, the player wants to go, and they offer enough cash, he'll go. We can try to squeeze every penny out of them in the process, but it'll not change the final outcome. It's just how it works. I don't understand your point in context of the discussion. Of course if he wanted to go then he could go. All we know at the moment is that Monaco are interested and people are deliberating as to whether we should cash in on him and what I am saying is that we should try our best to hold onto our best player. If he wanted to go then that is a different story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 They may very well be deluded, I wouldn't argue with that. That doesn't mean they've been brainwashed. It's not a fact. Slight exaggeration, but if it wasn't for Pardew's constant "we won't be able to hold off offers from big clubs" people wouldn't be deliberating it as if it is a viable solution to cash in on our best player. That's just reality, though. If a bigger club does come in, the player wants to go, and they offer enough cash, he'll go. We can try to squeeze every penny out of them in the process, but it'll not change the final outcome. It's just how it works. I don't understand your point in context of the discussion. Of course if he wanted to go then he could go. All we know at the moment is that Monaco are interested and people are deliberating as to whether we should cash in on him and what I am saying is that we should try our best to hold onto our best player. If he wanted to go then that is a different story. Do we know this? I've missed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 They may very well be deluded, I wouldn't argue with that. That doesn't mean they've been brainwashed. It's not a fact. Slight exaggeration, but if it wasn't for Pardew's constant "we won't be able to hold off offers from big clubs" people wouldn't be deliberating it as if it is a viable solution to cash in on our best player. That's just reality, though. If a bigger club does come in, the player wants to go, and they offer enough cash, he'll go. We can try to squeeze every penny out of them in the process, but it'll not change the final outcome. It's just how it works. I don't understand your point in context of the discussion. Of course if he wanted to go then he could go. All we know at the moment is that Monaco are interested and people are deliberating as to whether we should cash in on him and what I am saying is that we should try our best to hold onto our best player. If he wanted to go then that is a different story. My point was that no one is brainwashed. Not by the board, Pardew, or anyone else. It's just an acceptance of how modern transfers work. Digressed a little since then, admittedly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Give him good teammates and a good manager, then see if people would sell him. He has 7 or 8 French, Ivory Coast, Senegal, Argentina, Dutch internationals around him, what more does he need? He looked so unfit at back end of season and overweight, just generally had enough. Think he produces mint youtube clips but having watched every game he has played for us I don't see enough on a regular basis In fairness at the start of the season he was the only player who looked bothered and the only player playing with any sort of conviction. He got injured in a match he really shouldn't have been playing in and then we shoddily attempted to rush him back to fitness, first vs Fulham and second vs Anzhi on a prosthetic pitch. Since his knock it's gone downhill but it's not reason for us all to say we should just get rid. Wasn't long ago we were witnessing him rip into teams on a weekly basis, and its not hard to see we create absolutely nothing when he's not playing. He is by far and away our best player and selling him even for 25mil makes a statement imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Even at his worst he played a massive part in saving us from relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 I'd say that acceptance of Pardew's continued status as manager leading to some posters suggesting getting rid our most exciting players on the grounds that he doesn't fit into Pardew's "tactics" is pretty much brainwashing. It means that the Ashley model has become so ingrained that fans' expectations are so low and twisted that selling off a flair player who doesn't "fit" is anything other than a horrible idea. That's not accepting the way modern transfers work. That's accepting the reality of the Ashley model of buy low, sell high for players; and hire and persist with cheap managers. And THAT'S brainwashing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 I'd say that acceptance of Pardew's continued status as manager leading to some posters suggesting getting rid our most exciting players on the grounds that he doesn't fit into Pardew's "tactics" is pretty much brainwashing. It means that the Ashley model has become so ingrained that fans' expectations are so low and twisted that selling off a flair player who doesn't "fit" is anything other than a horrible idea. That's not accepting the way modern transfers work. That's accepting the reality of the Ashley model of buy low, sell high for players; and hire and persist with cheap managers. And THAT'S brainwashing. That's the thing though, fans expectations are now none existent but Ashley and Pardew are going nowhere so it's best to get players that fit the managers "plan" and may get us mid table, most fans have given up tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 I'd say that acceptance of Pardew's continued status as manager leading to some posters suggesting getting rid our most exciting players on the grounds that he doesn't fit into Pardew's "tactics" is pretty much brainwashing. It means that the Ashley model has become so ingrained that fans' expectations are so low and twisted that selling off a flair player who doesn't "fit" is anything other than a horrible idea. That's not accepting the way modern transfers work. That's accepting the reality of the Ashley model of buy low, sell high for players; and hire and persist with cheap managers. And THAT'S brainwashing. It's not brainwashing, but I get what you mean. I think a lot of the posts about getting rid of all our good players and getting Pulis as assistant (!) etc are just people finding another way to say how shite they think Pardew is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 This Ashley buy low sell high stuff. As accurate as it seemed at the time hasn't really happened has it ?, yet. Carroll aside, which was a ridiculous out of the blue transfer. And Carroll's transfer doesn't even count as we didn't buy him. Ba wanted to go, as did Enrique. So, i've still not seen this buy low sell high in action yet tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapo Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Bassong maybe? Although then again he wanted to leave and we were in the Championship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 This Ashley buy low sell high stuff. As accurate as it seemed at the time hasn't really happened has it ?, yet. Carroll aside, which was a ridiculous out of the blue transfer. And Carroll's transfer doesn't even count as we didn't buy him. Ba wanted to go, as did Enrique. So, i've still not seen this buy low sell high in action yet tbh. We just buy people who won't be worthless when/if we sell them. It's not a profit-making strategy, it's just a business tactic to make sure you don't invest a lot in worthless assets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 This Ashley buy low sell high stuff. As accurate as it seemed at the time hasn't really happened has it ?, yet. Carroll aside, which was a ridiculous out of the blue transfer. And Carroll's transfer doesn't even count as we didn't buy him. Ba wanted to go, as did Enrique. So, i've still not seen this buy low sell high in action yet tbh. We just buy people who won't be worthless when/if we sell them. It's not a profit-making strategy, it's just a business tactic to make sure you don't invest a lot in worthless assets. Agreed but i've still to see this buy low to sell high stuff. I see the logic in it, It just hasn't happened yet imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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