Mr. Snrub Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Everytime he tried to control the ball it bounced off him. He had zero impact and had a terrible game. In saying that, I'm still blaming Pardew more. What clueless dickhead puts a creative player who thrives cutting in from the right in a 4-4-3, left wing in a 4-4-2. Absolute joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I'm really confused by this. I bet Baines (who fwiw wasn't very good tonight) couldn't believe his luck when he saw Ben Arfa on the other side. Ben Arfa, on the left, was consistently going to try to get onto his strongest foot, which played straight into the hands of Coleman as it sent him onto Coleman's stronger side - not to mention Coleman's pretty quick himself. Just plain weird. You could also argue Coleman is a better defender than Baines, so for that reason as well why he didn't line up on the right and attack at Baines I don't know. http://i.imgur.com/w73ZHbT.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Coleman clearly ate him. But don't take him off after just 45 mins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Has played well on the left before and should be able to again. Obviously Pardew SUCKS ALL DA QUALITY FROM OUR PLAYERS but Ben Arfa had one of his off days tonight. Things improved when he came off. I say this as a Hatem fanboy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Everytime he tried to control the ball it bounced off him. He had zero impact and had a terrible game. In saying that, I'm still blaming Pardew more. What clueless dickhead puts a creative player who thrives cutting in from the right in a 4-4-3, left wing in a 4-4-2. Absolute joke. Did you watch the game? this is flat out not true. He lost it once or twice but more times than he lost it he got round the outside of Coleman and the one time he switched with Sissoko to go central he beat his man and had a decent shot. Pardew taking him off could be a number of things: he got mouthy at halftime and questioned tactics?, he was injured?, or pardew was annoyed with his selfishness and/or lack of work ethic. He was the only player trying to make something happen for us in that first half. The fact it's been 2 years running now that Pardew has refused to play him in his usual position because he's scared of Baines really annoys me. For 1, once baines was on a yellow card Ben Arfa should have been switched immediately to try and get him sent off by taking him on. Secondly if he was so scared of what Baines would do going forward surely him having Ben Arfa behind him would have meant he couldn't attack as much anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Has played well on the left before and should be able to again. Obviously Pardew SUCKS ALL DA QUALITY FROM OUR PLAYERS but Ben Arfa had one of his off days tonight. Things improved when he came off. I say this as a Hatem fanboy. Aye, not too many complaints before the game. The fact we improved dramatically after he went off should show enough. Far too greedy with the ball last night, and his only passes were touches back to the player he'd received the ball from. Coleman had him in his pocket, and ghosted by him a good couple of times, for good measure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Everytime he tried to control the ball it bounced off him. He had zero impact and had a terrible game. In saying that, I'm still blaming Pardew more. What clueless dickhead puts a creative player who thrives cutting in from the right in a 4-4-3, left wing in a 4-4-2. Absolute joke. Did you watch the game? this is flat out not true. He lost it once or twice but more times than he lost it he got round the outside of Coleman and the one time he switched with Sissoko to go central he beat his man and had a decent shot. Pardew taking him off could be a number of things: he got mouthy at halftime and questioned tactics?, he was injured?, or pardew was annoyed with his selfishness and/or lack of work ethic. He was the only player trying to make something happen for us in that first half. The fact it's been 2 years running now that Pardew has refused to play him in his usual position because he's scared of Baines really annoys me. For 1, once baines was on a yellow card Ben Arfa should have been switched immediately to try and get him sent off by taking him on. Secondly if he was so scared of what Baines would do going forward surely him having Ben Arfa behind him would have meant he couldn't attack as much anyway. It's amazing how different Pardew views things though, he's far more concerned with attempting to stop other players, rather than letting the opposition worry about us, which would actually help stop opponents, as you said with regards to Baines and Ben Arfa. It honestly baffles me how somebody can be so negative all the time despite seeing very little in terms of positive results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Everytime he tried to control the ball it bounced off him. He had zero impact and had a terrible game. In saying that, I'm still blaming Pardew more. What clueless dickhead puts a creative player who thrives cutting in from the right in a 4-4-3, left wing in a 4-4-2. Absolute joke. Did you watch the game? this is flat out not true. He lost it once or twice but more times than he lost it he got round the outside of Coleman and the one time he switched with Sissoko to go central he beat his man and had a decent shot. Pardew taking him off could be a number of things: he got mouthy at halftime and questioned tactics?, he was injured?, or pardew was annoyed with his selfishness and/or lack of work ethic. He was the only player trying to make something happen for us in that first half. The fact it's been 2 years running now that Pardew has refused to play him in his usual position because he's scared of Baines really annoys me. For 1, once baines was on a yellow card Ben Arfa should have been switched immediately to try and get him sent off by taking him on. Secondly if he was so scared of what Baines would do going forward surely him having Ben Arfa behind him would have meant he couldn't attack as much anyway. It's amazing how different Pardew views things though, he's far more concerned with attempting to stop other players, rather than letting the opposition worry about us, which would actually help stop opponents, as you said with regards to Baines and Ben Arfa. It honestly baffles me how somebody can be so negative all the time despite seeing very little in terms of positive results. Well, tbf, good players do both. Our lot are not doing either at the moment which is a real problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 "We improved when he came off" We improved because the midfield improved, was present for the second balls, win the duels and Cabaye knowing what to do with the ball. All things that were dramatically absent in the first half We're talking about the back four, but the midfield was really shit in the first half. If Mapou went long for Remy for their second goal, the 3 in the midfield catched themselves somewhere on the pitch. Not Ben Arfa fault at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenige Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Ben Arfa on his day is easily our most talented player. But last two games he's looked totally disinterested from the very start of the game. His body language suggests he'd rather be anywhere else and his defensive attempts (an obvious reason as to why Pardew started him on the opposite side to Baines) have been nigh on pathetic. He should have taken him off at half-time against Hull. At Everton he may have started on the 'wrong side' but he's more than good enough to be able to put in a decent shift there. One shot aside he did nothing. Saying that the biggest problems were getting the ball from defence to midfield, and the entire midfield going missing everytime Everton had the ball. Lots of things went horrendously first half and the changes that Pardew made improved us. But he started us in a setup that clearly didn't work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 He's been inconsistent every season of his career. Stop expecting Messi and find a plan B, Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Has played well on the left before and should be able to again. Obviously Pardew SUCKS ALL DA QUALITY FROM OUR PLAYERS but Ben Arfa had one of his off days tonight. Things improved when he came off. I say this as a Hatem fanboy. Aye, not too many complaints before the game. The fact we improved dramatically after he went off should show enough. Far too greedy with the ball last night, and his only passes were touches back to the player he'd received the ball from. Coleman had him in his pocket, and ghosted by him a good couple of times, for good measure. Except everyone that said it better be Hatem right, Gouffran centre and Remy left, I assume? Then when it clearly wasn't working for any of them, why didn't we change things around? Remy scored twice from the left a week ago, Ben Arfa has consistently been our best player cutting in from the right and Gouffran has shown to be dangerous when played through the middle. Like I said during the game yesterday, I know who I would have preferred to have on the right hand side when we're chasing a goal or two, and it isn't Sissoko. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Each time he makes comments about his dream of ballon d'or, in fact each time his agent organise for him meeting (media plan) with the press (he was everywhere in the french press and Tv, from the game at Villa to 5 mins before Everton yesterday) he's s**** the 4 games after. So shut the fuck up Hatem and just play football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Some extracts of his interview for infosport+ showed before the game : "Maybe I'll never leave Newcastle. There's everything to succed here : big club, stadium full of fans, big fans" etc. "I have to return back to the club and fans what they gave me. Even in difficults moments - and there were - they always showed their support" "Fans like me" ( ) "The staff gave me responsabilities and I like that" "If we're injury free, we can easily reach top 8 this season" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I honestly don't think he was that bad yesterday. Against Hull he was terrible and I slagged him off for it. But despite his no show defensively he was atleast trying when he got the ball last night and showed good pace. Still looked disgruntled, maybe because he'd been shunted to the left or maybe he's having personal issues. Who knows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Big fans, he taking the piss or what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Big fans, he taking the p*ss or what? great fans, sorry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Big fans, he taking the p*ss or what? great fans, sorry I just figured he'd seen that fat lump who loves taking his shirt off all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I honestly don't think he was that bad yesterday. Against Hull he was terrible and I slagged him off for it. But despite his no show defensively he was atleast trying when he got the ball last night and showed good pace. Still looked disgruntled, maybe because he'd been shunted to the left or maybe he's having personal issues. Who knows. He had all the reasons to be good yesterday, Deschamps giving his squad thursday... So motivation should have been there. He can forget now the french team and concentrate to his club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Big fans, he taking the p*ss or what? great fans, sorry I just figured he'd seen that fat lump who loves taking his shirt off all the time. Ben Arfa looking in the mirror? seriously though even though he still has speed he's still looking top heavy and seemed to be blowing after about 10mins Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I honestly don't think he was that bad yesterday. Against Hull he was terrible and I slagged him off for it. But despite his no show defensively he was atleast trying when he got the ball last night and showed good pace. Still looked disgruntled, maybe because he'd been shunted to the left or maybe he's having personal issues. Who knows. Agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Blatantly been reading all the fatem jibes on here so he's now having a pop at us... sly devil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 cutting out the kebabs from his diet has made him miserable, hence the poor performances. valid excuse, amongst "he got doubled up on... the tactics were wrong for him today,....he had one shot closest to scoring not a bad game etc etc" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 "We improved when he came off" We improved because the midfield improved, was present for the second balls, win the duels and Cabaye knowing what to do with the ball. All things that were dramatically absent in the first half We're talking about the back four, but the midfield was really s*** in the first half. If Mapou went long for Remy for their second goal, the 3 in the midfield catched themselves somewhere on the pitch. Not Ben Arfa fault at all. we only improved second half because Everton had finished their job after 30 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I think had he stayed on we may have got a point or even maybe more, bringing Cabaye on was spot on but not sure Benny being the one to go was right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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