alexf Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Yeah I wonder if he got mouthy at half time or if he was injured because I can't help feel we would have been even better 2nd half if he had stayed on instead of Tiote or Sissoko and put back in his best position. Still don't get why he hasn't been allowed to have a go at baines for 2 seasons running now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 He won't be starting v Cardiff imo after those comments. Care to elaborate for us who didn't want to endure pardews excuses/voice/face/upper lip? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Didn't look interested in being in our own half at all. Didn't want to pass the ball when he was in theirs. You can argue about the reasons for this all you want, but it's simply not good enough. He'll play this weekend, but, we need so much more from him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Really poor again - not sure what's happened to the lad. It really is as simple as that he's playing under a manager who cannot get the consistent best out of him beyond Ben Arfa choosing to cut inside and shoot. I was shaking my head in disbelief at the weekend when I listened to 606 and the presenters said it was "baffling" that the players who'd walked the title now looked so poor under a different manager, when to me that's not baffling in the slightest, in fact I'd only have been baffled if that hadn't happened. The manager is by far and away the most important person at any football club. Everything the team does, from movement to mentality, comes from that one man and we've got a League 1/League 2 standard manager in charge of Premier League players. People can have a pop at the players all you like but put Pardew into any of the other 19 clubs in the division and in three years time, I'll show you what you watched tonight. Great post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJM Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 "Credit Pardew for pulling him off" - Get your heed oot your arse man. How's about trying to get the best out of arguably our most creative player. How's about setting the team up so that when he receives the ball, trying to beat the two men marking him is not his only option. Aye, credit Pardew :idiot2: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I will say the one time he was allowed to drift inside he beat his man and got a dangerous shot off. I slagged him off for the Hull performance but I'm not going to criticise him for tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Well done to Pardew for playing him out of position and taking him off. Quality management. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Jonas time is coming Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Well done to Pardew for playing him out of position and taking him off. Quality management. Why did Ben Arfa play so well LM when we beat Everton 0-1. Better management or a one off performance. Genuinely puzzled by that game as he doesn't look comfortable down the left at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 was his full debut, new to the league, so opponents didnt know him as well. Was more agile and quick pre-leg break and basically just had an epic game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 was his full debut, new to the league, so opponents didnt know him as well. Was more agile and quick pre-leg break and basically just had an epic game. All very true but does that show he can play LM or it was just a freak one off good day. I think he can play there myself, a tactic with better movement (obviously need rid of Pardew for that to happen, and have a better manager in) would suit him immensely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I'm really confused by this. I bet Baines (who fwiw wasn't very good tonight) couldn't believe his luck when he saw Ben Arfa on the other side. Ben Arfa, on the left, was consistently going to try to get onto his strongest foot, which played straight into the hands of Coleman as it sent him onto Coleman's stronger side - not to mention Coleman's pretty quick himself. Just plain weird. You could also argue Coleman is a better defender than Baines, so for that reason as well why he didn't line up on the right and attack at Baines I don't know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I'm really confused by this. I bet Baines (who fwiw wasn't very good tonight) couldn't believe his luck when he saw Ben Arfa on the other side. Ben Arfa, on the left, was consistently going to try to get onto his strongest foot, which played straight into the hands of Coleman as it sent him onto Coleman's stronger side - not to mention Coleman's pretty quick himself. Just plain weird. You could also argue Coleman is a better defender than Baines, so for that reason as well why he didn't line up on the right and attack at Baines I don't know. Especially once Baines was on a yellow card. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Just plain weird. You could also argue Coleman is a better defender than Baines, so for that reason as well why he didn't line up on the right and attack at Baines I don't know. Yes you do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 He won't be starting v Cardiff imo after those comments. Care to elaborate for us who didn't want to endure pardews excuses/voice/face/upper lip? What was said?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Well done to Pardew for playing him out of position and taking him off. Quality management. Why did Ben Arfa play so well LM when we beat Everton 0-1. Better management or a one off performance. Genuinely puzzled by that game as he doesn't look comfortable down the left at all. I thought he did quite well today tbh, looked probably our best bet in the first half. You can't win matches as individuals though, you need to have some pattern as a team, and we hardly touched the ball in the first 45 mins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Well done to Pardew for playing him out of position and taking him off. Quality management. Why did Ben Arfa play so well LM when we beat Everton 0-1. Better management or a one off performance. Genuinely puzzled by that game as he doesn't look comfortable down the left at all. I thought he did quite well today tbh, looked probably our best bet in the first half. You can't win matches as individuals though, you need to have some pattern as a team, and we hardly touched the ball in the first 45 mins. Yep and has been said so many times, we have no pattern at all. Movement all around Ben Arfa would see him thrive imo. Not the static defensive shit we saw in the first half tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Well done to Pardew for playing him out of position and taking him off. Quality management. Why did Ben Arfa play so well LM when we beat Everton 0-1. Better management or a one off performance. Genuinely puzzled by that game as he doesn't look comfortable down the left at all. I thought he did quite well today tbh, looked probably our best bet in the first half. You can't win matches as individuals though, you need to have some pattern as a team, and we hardly touched the ball in the first 45 mins. Take the blinkers off mate.... he was f*cking awful, everytime he got the ball he lost it almost immediately. Not his fault really though, we know he can't play on the left and we basically nullified our best player just to cover Baines who didn't do much of note anyway. Classic Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Well done to Pardew for playing him out of position and taking him off. Quality management. Why did Ben Arfa play so well LM when we beat Everton 0-1. Better management or a one off performance. Genuinely puzzled by that game as he doesn't look comfortable down the left at all. I thought he did quite well today tbh, looked probably our best bet in the first half. You can't win matches as individuals though, you need to have some pattern as a team, and we hardly touched the ball in the first 45 mins. And in many occasions he was free, waiting for a ball that didn't come Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Everytime he tried to control the ball it bounced off him. He had zero impact and had a terrible game. In saying that, I'm still blaming Pardew more. What clueless dickhead puts a creative player who thrives cutting in from the right in a 4-4-3, left wing in a 4-4-2. Absolute joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I'm really confused by this. I bet Baines (who fwiw wasn't very good tonight) couldn't believe his luck when he saw Ben Arfa on the other side. Ben Arfa, on the left, was consistently going to try to get onto his strongest foot, which played straight into the hands of Coleman as it sent him onto Coleman's stronger side - not to mention Coleman's pretty quick himself. Just plain weird. You could also argue Coleman is a better defender than Baines, so for that reason as well why he didn't line up on the right and attack at Baines I don't know. http://i.imgur.com/w73ZHbT.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Coleman clearly ate him. But don't take him off after just 45 mins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Has played well on the left before and should be able to again. Obviously Pardew SUCKS ALL DA QUALITY FROM OUR PLAYERS but Ben Arfa had one of his off days tonight. Things improved when he came off. I say this as a Hatem fanboy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Everytime he tried to control the ball it bounced off him. He had zero impact and had a terrible game. In saying that, I'm still blaming Pardew more. What clueless dickhead puts a creative player who thrives cutting in from the right in a 4-4-3, left wing in a 4-4-2. Absolute joke. Did you watch the game? this is flat out not true. He lost it once or twice but more times than he lost it he got round the outside of Coleman and the one time he switched with Sissoko to go central he beat his man and had a decent shot. Pardew taking him off could be a number of things: he got mouthy at halftime and questioned tactics?, he was injured?, or pardew was annoyed with his selfishness and/or lack of work ethic. He was the only player trying to make something happen for us in that first half. The fact it's been 2 years running now that Pardew has refused to play him in his usual position because he's scared of Baines really annoys me. For 1, once baines was on a yellow card Ben Arfa should have been switched immediately to try and get him sent off by taking him on. Secondly if he was so scared of what Baines would do going forward surely him having Ben Arfa behind him would have meant he couldn't attack as much anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Has played well on the left before and should be able to again. Obviously Pardew SUCKS ALL DA QUALITY FROM OUR PLAYERS but Ben Arfa had one of his off days tonight. Things improved when he came off. I say this as a Hatem fanboy. Aye, not too many complaints before the game. The fact we improved dramatically after he went off should show enough. Far too greedy with the ball last night, and his only passes were touches back to the player he'd received the ball from. Coleman had him in his pocket, and ghosted by him a good couple of times, for good measure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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