Zero Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Agree with toondave. I am more comfortable with sissoko on the right, even though hatem is simply unplayable in 2nd half Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Agree with toondave. I am more comfortable with sissoko on the right, even though hatem is simply unplayable in 2nd half Aye, I think so too. He does actually do the tracking back when playing wide right but you can just tell he doesn't have the defensive awareness to be very effective at it, there's a lot more to covering your fullback than just being there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 He certainly looks to be recapturing some deadly form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 How would the older posters say he compares in terms of pure natural talent to Beardsley and Gascoigne? The big difference for me is that the two you mention were much more relaxed on the pitch, Ben Arfa always strikes me as a player who feels he has to do everything on his own and is always playing under pressure. I'm not sure he has the level of self confidence that the other two had but he's got the skills to match them. IMO the skills make half the player, the true greats didn't really make use of their skill very often, it was their intelligence off and with the ball. HBA has none :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 How would the older posters say he compares in terms of pure natural talent to Beardsley and Gascoigne? Both produced more imo, tho I tthink they both benefited from playing in a slower, if more fouling era. Beardsley was far more of creative player, making chances for team mates, best part of his game was killer passes to his striking partner. I think Andy cole and Gary Lineker quite liked him. Gazza, for me put more on the end of his dribbling. Hba still flatters to decieve for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 The tempo and pressing and fitness levels are light years ahead now. What Hatem has to deal with in matches is more difficult imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 No offence but some people here are talking pure bollocks like. He set up the first goal, set up the third, won a penalty and hit the post twice in 90 minutes. If theres any problem, it's how we (read Pardew) are using, or not using him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 How would the older posters say he compares in terms of pure natural talent to Beardsley and Gascoigne? Beardsley > Ben Arfa > Gascoigne My first game was just over 30 years ago when we beat Man City 5-0 at home... How times have changed... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppe Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Shoulder barged the linesman I wax at the match with a couple of family members who are Everton fans. I spent the day leading up to the match talking about Ben Arfa and telling them how lucky they were to see him. I was as smug as Pards at full time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 How would the older posters say he compares in terms of pure natural talent to Beardsley and Gascoigne? Beardsley > Ben Arfa > Gascoigne My first game was just over 30 years ago when we beat Man City 5-0 at home... How times have changed... we were fantastic in that game- thier keeper had a blinder as well. Beardsley got 3 was outstanding , think it was his first full 90mins for us? Waddle and keegan with the other goals? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 How would the older posters say he compares in terms of pure natural talent to Beardsley and Gascoigne? In terms of skill on the ball, I'd say he's ahead of Beardsley and at least the equal of Gazza. But the other two earned their places as automatic starters because they made a better overall contribution. Both applied themselves with effort and concentration over the whole 90 minutes. Ben Arfa still seems to operate in flashes. But thinking of yesterday, what a shame it would be if we didn't see this lad fulfil his potential. He's touched by genius. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Beardsley is still the best player that I've seen player for Newcastle. HBA is more naturally gifted, definitely, but Beardsley had the better mixture of attributes. His goal scoring, consistency and work ethic were all better. The team in my sig would get torn to shreds, but going forward they'd be insane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JS Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Shoulder barged the linesman I wax at the match with a couple of family members who are Everton fans. I spent the day leading up to the match talking about Ben Arfa and telling them how lucky they were to see him. I was as smug as Pards at full time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Absolutely untouchable yesterday, a magical performance. He's just phenomenal to watch in person, a pure genius. I never want him to leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 @WhoScored: Hatem Ben Arfa: Dribbled past as many opponents (10) against Stoke as every other player on the pitch combined #NUFC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Beardsley is still the best player that I've seen player for Newcastle. HBA is more naturally gifted, definitely, but Beardsley had the better mixture of attributes. His goal scoring, consistency and work ethic were all better. The team in my sig would get torn to shreds, but going forward they'd be insane. beardsley's vision was the thing that sets them miles apart imho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 He'd clearly been told to stay fairly deep when Stoke were in possession and to drop back towards right back if Debuchy made a run past him. He did that quite conscientiously and create a few chances on the few occasions he did get forward. Couple of excellent balls in behind for Sissoko and Debuchy and beat a couple to get a dangerous cross in before the sendings off After the sendings off he was obviously unplayable, but not because he had less players marking him, he had no problem with that in the first half. The difference was the amount of times he was allowed to get forward and pick the ball up near Stokes 18 yard area. In the second half he had far less defensive responsibility, and so he regularly picked the ball up well inside Stokes half, with the obvious consequence that he tore them a new anus. Excellent overall, set up three and was extremely unlucky not the score two himself. If Pardews can allow him some freedom and wants to go at Arsenal from the off then he has to start. But if he's going to go with keeping it very tight and orginised then attack in the last 30 mins (which is almost definitely what he'll do) then it might be best to save Ben Arfa till the second half. Not because he can't be orginised, because he was against Stoke, but because he's really wasted being so deep all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 What an insanely amazing player Ben Arfa can be on his day Hopefully he'll get the chance again, against Arsenal tomorrow, tear them a new one! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Still no compilation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 If we're getting the most joy down the right wing from debuchy, then perhaps mr ben could be of assistance today? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 so fast Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 He should walk into our side but that nonsense right there is exactly why he isn't going to the WC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Have to start every game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Shit when he came on today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyeyzzon Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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