Hatem Ben Arfa

[Zero]

I doubt it is just Pardew's and HBA's problem.  I remember I read some reports or news or rumours etc that HBA is disliked by his teammates and isolated in the dressing room.  If this is true then the problem is a lot more complicated.

[mrmojorisin75]

I doubt it is just Pardew's and HBA's problem.  I remember I read some reports or news or rumours etc that HBA is disliked by his teammates and isolated in the dressing room.  If this is true then the problem is a lot more complicated.

 

[TaylorJ_01]

"Hatem has an injury but he has a chance, greater than 50%, of involvement against Swansea."

 

So just the usual then

[Cronky]

 

there's obviously truth to the fact that HBA had trouble integrating at his previous clubs and was seen as a bit of a troublemaker etc. never really fulfilling his talent

 

to .............................

 

the man makes me sick, we could have been watching a truly great, exciting footballer enjoying his football, instead we've watched an inept fuckwit crush him mercilessly to further his own ends

 

 

You've made a bit of a journey there. 

 

Popular though it is to blame Pardew for everything that's going wrong, we all know that Ben Arfa has his issues. It's not easy for an individual to change their ways, and I don't think that Hatem has met that challenge.

 

I think the lad has psychological issues, and could do with some help in moving forward. It always seems to be one step forward, and then one step back.

 

I came across this quote from him -

 

"I’ve always had huge problems in respecting authority. I had a lot of frustration in my family when I was growing up, and took it out on others.

“My father never told me he loved me. My life lacked generosity - while he always backed me he could never express his feelings.

“My dad grew up without a father of his own. He copied the example he’d had, and I am trying to break the mould for the sake of my progress.

“With hindsight I can see how people took me for someone overly sure of himself. I was giving off a negative vibe - I had bad energy. I was arrogant. I was a victim of my own impulsiveness.

“I’ve done some terrible things in my career. They were more down to my attitude than to what I said, and they displeased the people around me.”

 

Has he ever had help with this?

[Darth Crooks]

Suarez is a documented cheat, racist and bitten someone. Rightly or wrongly, is still played much to the benefit of his club. Besides that, Alan pardew works for legally proven liars, lies regularly to  a support he panders to by name dropping dead club legends and shows he hasnt got the foggiest clue how to do his own job; making the same mistakes in a defunct system he refuses to accept doesn't work. Who has the more dangerous attitude?

[mrmojorisin75]

 

there's obviously truth to the fact that HBA had trouble integrating at his previous clubs and was seen as a bit of a troublemaker etc. never really fulfilling his talent

 

to .............................

 

the man makes me sick, we could have been watching a truly great, exciting footballer enjoying his football, instead we've watched an inept fuckwit crush him mercilessly to further his own ends

 

 

You've made a bit of a journey there. 

 

Popular though it is to blame Pardew for everything that's going wrong, we all know that Ben Arfa has his issues. It's not easy for an individual to change their ways, and I don't think that Hatem has met that challenge.

 

I think the lad has psychological issues, and could do with some help in moving forward. It always seems to be one step forward, and then one step back.

 

I came across this quote from him -

 

"I’ve always had huge problems in respecting authority. I had a lot of frustration in my family when I was growing up, and took it out on others.

“My father never told me he loved me. My life lacked generosity - while he always backed me he could never express his feelings.

“My dad grew up without a father of his own. He copied the example he’d had, and I am trying to break the mould for the sake of my progress.

“With hindsight I can see how people took me for someone overly sure of himself. I was giving off a negative vibe - I had bad energy. I was arrogant. I was a victim of my own impulsiveness.

“I’ve done some terrible things in my career. They were more down to my attitude than to what I said, and they displeased the people around me.”

 

Has he ever had help with this?

 

I didn't deny he had issues. As for changing his ways he's not gone public over the continual shafting he's had from pardiola which suggests maybe he's grown up. Whether he's grown as a footballer we'll probably never find out.

[TaylorJ_01]

Our medical team fucking suck at predictions. It's been like this for years. "Ah yeah he'll be back next week... wait actually he might be out for the rest of the season... ah fuck he's dead".

[Cronky]

I personally love that Hatem quote btw. Very self aware, just obviously needs someone to believe in him, rather than castigate him like dick head pardew has

 

Or like his father did?

 

Who incidentally was an ex-professional footballer who pushed him very hard to succeed.

[Mick]

 

there's obviously truth to the fact that HBA had trouble integrating at his previous clubs and was seen as a bit of a troublemaker etc. never really fulfilling his talent

 

to .............................

 

the man makes me sick, we could have been watching a truly great, exciting footballer enjoying his football, instead we've watched an inept fuckwit crush him mercilessly to further his own ends

 

 

You've made a bit of a journey there. 

 

Popular though it is to blame Pardew for everything that's going wrong, we all know that Ben Arfa has his issues. It's not easy for an individual to change their ways, and I don't think that Hatem has met that challenge.

 

I think the lad has psychological issues, and could do with some help in moving forward. It always seems to be one step forward, and then one step back.

 

I came across this quote from him -

 

"I’ve always had huge problems in respecting authority. I had a lot of frustration in my family when I was growing up, and took it out on others.

“My father never told me he loved me. My life lacked generosity - while he always backed me he could never express his feelings.

“My dad grew up without a father of his own. He copied the example he’d had, and I am trying to break the mould for the sake of my progress.

“With hindsight I can see how people took me for someone overly sure of himself. I was giving off a negative vibe - I had bad energy. I was arrogant. I was a victim of my own impulsiveness.

“I’ve done some terrible things in my career. They were more down to my attitude than to what I said, and they displeased the people around me.”

 

Has he ever had help with this?

[Cronky]

 

I personally love that Hatem quote btw. Very self aware, just obviously needs someone to believe in him, rather than castigate him like dick head pardew has

 

Or like his father did?

 

Who incidentally was an ex-professional footballer who pushed him very hard to succeed.

 

Did you read the quote? You posted it so I assume so.

 

Yeah. What's your point?

[Ndegwa]

Our medical team f***ing suck at predictions. It's been like this for years. "Ah yeah he'll be back next week... wait actually he might be out for the rest of the season... ah f*** he's dead".

 

:lol:

[Chicane]

I personally love that Hatem quote btw. Very self aware, just obviously needs someone to believe in him, rather than castigate him like dick head pardew has

 

He just wants to be loved man 

 

Someone get Dr. Maguire from Good Will Hunting over here to give him a big old hug and he'll be right as rain soon enough. Hatem...it's not your fault.

 

No, no, Hatem. it's not your fault.

[Guest bimpy474]

 

there's obviously truth to the fact that HBA had trouble integrating at his previous clubs and was seen as a bit of a troublemaker etc. never really fulfilling his talent

 

to .............................

 

the man makes me sick, we could have been watching a truly great, exciting footballer enjoying his football, instead we've watched an inept fuckwit crush him mercilessly to further his own ends

 

 

You've made a bit of a journey there. 

 

Popular though it is to blame Pardew for everything that's going wrong, we all know that Ben Arfa has his issues. It's not easy for an individual to change their ways, and I don't think that Hatem has met that challenge.

 

I think the lad has psychological issues, and could do with some help in moving forward. It always seems to be one step forward, and then one step back.

 

I came across this quote from him -

 

"I’ve always had huge problems in respecting authority. I had a lot of frustration in my family when I was growing up, and took it out on others.

“My father never told me he loved me. My life lacked generosity - while he always backed me he could never express his feelings.

“My dad grew up without a father of his own. He copied the example he’d had, and I am trying to break the mould for the sake of my progress.

“With hindsight I can see how people took me for someone overly sure of himself. I was giving off a negative vibe - I had bad energy. I was arrogant. I was a victim of my own impulsiveness.

“I’ve done some terrible things in my career. They were more down to my attitude than to what I said, and they displeased the people around me.”

 

Has he ever had help with this?

 

Pardew's a cunt, stop trying to prove otherwise. An utter utter lying, conniving, conceited, egotistical cunt, who happens to be a throughly shit football manager and pathetic human stain.

[Haz]

Fuck sake man Bimps.  Don't sugar coat it.

[Guest bimpy474]

Fuck sake man Bimps.  Don't sugar coat it.

 

Sorry

[Cronky]

 

 

I personally love that Hatem quote btw. Very self aware, just obviously needs someone to believe in him, rather than castigate him like dick head pardew has

 

Or like his father did?

 

Who incidentally was an ex-professional footballer who pushed him very hard to succeed.

 

Did you read the quote? You posted it so I assume so.

 

Yeah. What's your point?

 

What's yours? I said he shouldn't be castigated by pardew as obviously it negatively affected him the way his father treated him. What are you suggesting he should?

 

Ben Arfa is actually saying that his negative relationship with his father has led to him having difficulties with authority. He himself is not blaming others for the problems in his career. He is at least trying to take some responsibility for changing the pattern himself.

 

Now we don't know precisely what has gone on behind the scenes, and you can put Ben Arfa in the victim role if you want. But the weight of evidence from Ben Arfa's past suggests that it's more than likely that he's bringing something to the table himself. And it affects his relationships with team-mates, not just his managers.

 

With the atmosphere on here, everything seems to get twisted into a pro-Pardew or anti-Pardew stance. Call this a futile attempt to steer the discussion away from those tramlines.

[Flip]

I'm lolling at the fact Cronky has gone through the trouble of scouring the internet for quotes that he can use to highlight Ben Arfa's mental instability in an attempt to defend pardew.

 

And the ''I came across these quotes'' Like he didn't fucking search the internet to find them.

[Jack Flash]

Asked whether Pardew loves him, the winger said: "No. But I respect him for that choice. I ramp up my training, I try to be a good team-mate. I know what I'm doing right now will make me play well. I'm working harder than ever. I'm always frustrated when I'm not playing but, instead of clashing with the coach like before, I let it go because I know I'll lose. I'm going to submit to his [Pardew's] authority. … I'm not going to go looking for a fight. My time will come. I have to be patient."

 

From that same article, but not posted for some reason...

[Gallowgate Toon]

Weren't these the quotes from before the Euros?

[Hanshithispantz]

Hatem's issues have absolutely nothing to do with Pardew refusing to play him. He's too attack minded, Pardew has said it himself multiple times.

[Guest bimpy474]

Hatem's issues have absolutely nothing to do with Pardew refusing to play him. He's too attack minded, Pardew has said it himself multiple times.

 

Aye but that doesn't matter when someone is trying to defend the arsehole.

[Mick]

Ben Arfa was our best player at the start of the season, the team, yes team, had a couple of bad games and Ben Arfa was dropped and played out of position before being dropped again. No other player in our squad has to regularly reach the heights Ben Arfa must reach or get dropped. Pardew is a shit manager and he has and is badly managing Ben Arfa because he doesn't know how to manage him. With Pardew it's all about players adapting to him because he's too inflexible to adapt his approach and requirement to defend at all costs. Cronky still can't see that our fraud is shit at his job so the player must be at fault, it couldn't be any other way.

[loki679]

 

 

 

I personally love that Hatem quote btw. Very self aware, just obviously needs someone to believe in him, rather than castigate him like dick head pardew has

 

Or like his father did?

 

Who incidentally was an ex-professional footballer who pushed him very hard to succeed.

 

Did you read the quote? You posted it so I assume so.

 

Yeah. What's your point?

 

What's yours? I said he shouldn't be castigated by pardew as obviously it negatively affected him the way his father treated him. What are you suggesting he should?

 

Ben Arfa is actually saying that his negative relationship with his father has led to him having difficulties with authority. He himself is not blaming others for the problems in his career. He is at least trying to take some responsibility for changing the pattern himself.

 

Now we don't know precisely what has gone on behind the scenes, and you can put Ben Arfa in the victim role if you want. But the weight of evidence from Ben Arfa's past suggests that it's more than likely that he's bringing something to the table himself. And it affects his relationships with team-mates, not just his managers.

 

With the atmosphere on here, everything seems to get twisted into a pro-Pardew or anti-Pardew stance. Call this a futile attempt to steer the discussion away from those tramlines.

 

Nobody has ever disputed Ben Arfa has a history of problems. The facts are he's not shown them here. Cabaye refused to play? Had Ben Arfa? No. And he's been treated abhorrently

 

Fuck you Santoon, Pards has managed the little wretch perfectly.  At his previous clubs he once killed a dog and sent the severed head to his managers daughter because he made him the piggy in piggy in the middle.  Has this happened with wor Al?  NO!  By not playing him and blaming him for eveything and making sure he's ostracised by the shit senior pros he's brought out the best in him.  When was the last time you saw a bench sat on with such commitment and elegance?

[Guest firetotheworks]

Ben Arfa was our best player at the start of the season, the team, yes team, had a couple of bad games and Ben Arfa was dropped and played out of position before being dropped again. No other player in our squad has to regularly reach the heights Ben Arfa must reach or get dropped. Pardew is a s*** manager and he has and is badly managing Ben Arfa because he doesn't know how to manage him. With Pardew it's all about players adapting to him because he's too inflexible to adapt his approach and requirement to defend at all costs. Cronky still can't see that our fraud is s*** at his job so the player must be at fault, it couldn't be any other way.

 

[joeyt]

Aye, Ben Arfa's never looked good on the left for us yet Pardew played him there against Everton and was blamed for it