Dokko Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Got to side with Ian on this one. Shaw had a good season and is pacy as fuck in comparison to Debuchy. Plus it was Debuchy's first time in english football. I think it's harsh to judge any of our January signings fully as they were thrown into a shit situation. Would be better to judge them after this season as they would of had a full pre-season and they gained experience of the final half of last. Hang on, go back a bit and you'll see I said exactly that, if he stays he'll have a much better season next time out, doesn't stop him being awful last season, and still has no pace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 I think defending Debuchy in any way by throwing in a 17 year old in his first prem season is pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. Like me saying I beat my son in an arm wrestling competition. Shaw isn't massively quick, he's average at best and at 17 is miles away from knowing where to be positioned, marking, decisions all that s*** which comes in time, so please, a France international destroyed a 17 year old as a comeback is tragic. Are you serious? Everyone was raving about Shaw last season and how brilliant he was. Are you f***ing serious, or is this just you wanting a 'conversation' ? I'm serious, Shaw had a brilliant season. Didn't he? Shaw did well for his age and experience, to judge a player a decade older with a decade more experience against him is pointless, you just don't have that level of consistency or mental awareness and will always have off days and learning experiences. He destroyed a 17 year old...and? So he f***ing should. But you're talking exclusively about pace? Your Rose example wasn't good anyway, there are a select few players in the league that could beat Rose in a foot race when chasing a ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 TBF to Debuchy, he wasn't really RAPED by Rose, I remember very well that he was one of two or three players that had an average game that day compared to the rest who were abysmal. If anything Debuchy was only really raped ONCE this season and that was against Liverpool where I think he had a worse game than any right back I've seen have at this club for a long long time. Not sure he's going to be the solution to our problems, but I'm happy to have Debuchy. I think it's more down to the managers inability to instruct certain players to cover positions. Look at Brazil, Marcelo and Dani Alves are terrible defenisvely but when Luiz Gustavo falls back there is defensive cover on the flanks. He was torn apart by rosé, destroyed, arse handed to him on a plate. Couldn't get past him, bullied off the ball, out thought, out fought, out paced and rose went past him with ease whenever he felt like. I'm glad I didn't see his Liverpool performance, I'd probably want him sold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 BTW he is slow but i don't find that to be an issue, many defenders are slow in this league yet still great. Colo is slow as a snail yet we all love him Anyway much of his so called poor performances are massively exaggerated IMO. Majority of games he performed well, yes he was crap against Sunderland and Liverpool but so was every f*cker on the pitch and he was far from the worst culprits on both those days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 I think defending Debuchy in any way by throwing in a 17 year old in his first prem season is pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. Like me saying I beat my son in an arm wrestling competition. Shaw isn't massively quick, he's average at best and at 17 is miles away from knowing where to be positioned, marking, decisions all that s*** which comes in time, so please, a France international destroyed a 17 year old as a comeback is tragic. Are you serious? Everyone was raving about Shaw last season and how brilliant he was. Are you f***ing serious, or is this just you wanting a 'conversation' ? I'm serious, Shaw had a brilliant season. Didn't he? Shaw did well for his age and experience, to judge a player a decade older with a decade more experience against him is pointless, you just don't have that level of consistency or mental awareness and will always have off days and learning experiences. He destroyed a 17 year old...and? So he f***ing should. But you're talking exclusively about pace? Your Rose example wasn't good anyway, there are a select few players in the league that could beat Rose in a foot race when chasing a ball. Again I mentioned pace then others brought the performances of shaw in to it, not just pace, I just followed up. A 17 year old who's had an excellent season - what's that got to do with pace? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Got to side with Ian on this one. Shaw had a good season and is pacy as fuck in comparison to Debuchy. Plus it was Debuchy's first time in english football. I think it's harsh to judge any of our January signings fully as they were thrown into a shit situation. Would be better to judge them after this season as they would of had a full pre-season and they gained experience of the final half of last. Hang on, go back a bit and you'll see I said exactly that, if he stays he'll have a much better season next time out, doesn't stop him being awful last season, and still has no pace. He's slower than I thought he'd be that's for sure but not sure he was ever truely match-fit last season. He seemed to have a lot of hamstring injuries before we signed him and then when he arrived I think he missed the odd game or two with knocks. Plus I think once he gets used to the pace of the league and learns who the players are that he's up against he should be able to cope better than he did the end of last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Debuchy isn't quick but he doesn't need to be, as Zabaleta has shown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 BTW he is slow but i don't find that to be an issue, many defenders are slow in this league yet still great. Colo is slow as a snail yet we all love him Anyway much of his so called poor performances are massively exaggerated IMO. Majority of games he performed well, yes he was crap against Sunderland and Liverpool but so was every f*cker on the pitch and he was far from the worst culprits on both those days. Slow central defenders are totally different to slow fullbacks, wingers are usually pacy, you get all sorts of strikers which is why colo is so good because his all round game is top class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Sure there is a Debuchy thread? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 He always looked like France's best player during the Euros. Having seen him perform well in international football I'd rather we tried to match the football he's used to than judge him on Pardew's strange looking teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Debuchy is slow now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Got to side with Ian on this one. Shaw had a good season and is pacy as fuck in comparison to Debuchy. Plus it was Debuchy's first time in english football. I think it's harsh to judge any of our January signings fully as they were thrown into a shit situation. Would be better to judge them after this season as they would of had a full pre-season and they gained experience of the final half of last. Hang on, go back a bit and you'll see I said exactly that, if he stays he'll have a much better season next time out, doesn't stop him being awful last season, and still has no pace. He's slower than I thought he'd be that's for sure but not sure he was ever truely match-fit last season. He seemed to have a lot of hamstring injuries before we signed him and then when he arrived I think he missed the odd game or two with knocks. Plus I think once he gets used to the pace of the league and learns who the players are that he's up against he should be able to cope better than he did the end of last year. It could be injuries, or mentally just not ready for the pace of the game here, either way hell be better next time out (as I've said) but I doubt he'll find another couple of gears up in pace which he could have done with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 The best fullback in the league is slow.... or at least no quicker than Debuchy is. Not really bothered about all this tbh we have much bigger issues to be concerned with and considering what we asked Debuchy to do against Rose that day very few fullbacks would have come out on top. We basically used him as a target man There is too much emphasis on pace tbh it doesn't matter all that much, at least it shouldn't if you use the players you have correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Debuchy's s*** now? He was fine, I'm not sure what people are expecting of a bloke thrown into a team fighting relegation, who concede possession for long periods and have a midfield who doesn't seem to want to cover. That is an issue the midfield cover is f*cking atrocious, Pardew can start by sorting that out before thinking about anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Debuchy is slow now? He's been slow for about an hour man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 He's not slow like, maybe struggled to get used to this league but was good with the ball, defensively bit of work to do but I think he will be class next season if he's allowed to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 He's not slow like, maybe struggled to get used to this league but was good with the ball, defensively bit of work to do but I think he will be class next season if he's allowed to be. Pards:"Debuchy you are playing too well, play shitter." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 He's nee slower than Simpson like. He does seem weaker though and we are already a brittle team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Oh no not that cunt, of all the fkn agents. Newcastle on Gignac alert ESPN staff July 22, 201 Marseille are prepared to allow reported Newcastle United target Andre-Pierre Gignac to leave the club to ease their wage bill and have contacted Joey Barton's agent to broker a move, Le Parisien reports. Since Margarita Louis-Dreyfus took ownership of OM following the death of her husband, Robert, in 2009, she has been keen to rein in the heavy spending that characterised the tenure of her late spouse. After two difficult top-flight campaigns, Gignac, 27, appeared to have cemented his future at the Stade Velodrome with a return of 18 goals in 39 games in all competitions last season, but his €350,000 monthly salary means club president Vincent Labrune has reportedly taken steps to encourage Premier League clubs to bid for the France international. "I've spoken about Gignac to numerous English clubs," Willie McKay, Barton's representative, told Le Parisien of the forward who top scored in Ligue 1 while at Toulouse during the 2008-09 season. "They're interested in his profile. With his power, he's made for the Premier League." Gignac, who is under contract with OM till 2015, has no intention of leaving the club he supported as a boy, as his agent, Jean-Christophe Cano, made clear. "We've got a lot of time to think together about what comes next," he stated in Le Parisien. "I've not mentioned the slightest offer from abroad for Andre-Pierre, because he simply has not envisaged leaving this summer. Finding a better project that OM's right now is immensely difficult. He's looking forward to enjoying another great season at Marseille." Read more at http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/223751.html#wavmgI373aWhSwjQ.99 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Oh no not that c***, of all the fkn agents. Newcastle on Gignac alert ESPN staff July 22, 201 Marseille are prepared to allow reported Newcastle United target Andre-Pierre Gignac to leave the club to ease their wage bill and have contacted Joey Barton's agent to broker a move, Le Parisien reports. Since Margarita Louis-Dreyfus took ownership of OM following the death of her husband, Robert, in 2009, she has been keen to rein in the heavy spending that characterised the tenure of her late spouse. After two difficult top-flight campaigns, Gignac, 27, appeared to have cemented his future at the Stade Velodrome with a return of 18 goals in 39 games in all competitions last season, but his €350,000 monthly salary means club president Vincent Labrune has reportedly taken steps to encourage Premier League clubs to bid for the France international. "I've spoken about Gignac to numerous English clubs," Willie McKay, Barton's representative, told Le Parisien of the forward who top scored in Ligue 1 while at Toulouse during the 2008-09 season. "They're interested in his profile. With his power, he's made for the Premier League." Gignac, who is under contract with OM till 2015, has no intention of leaving the club he supported as a boy, as his agent, Jean-Christophe Cano, made clear. "We've got a lot of time to think together about what comes next," he stated in Le Parisien. "I've not mentioned the slightest offer from abroad for Andre-Pierre, because he simply has not envisaged leaving this summer. Finding a better project that OM's right now is immensely difficult. He's looking forward to enjoying another great season at Marseille." Read more at http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/223751.html#wavmgI373aWhSwjQ.99 Surely kills off the link now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 He's not slow like, maybe struggled to get used to this league but was good with the ball, defensively bit of work to do but I think he will be class next season if he's allowed to be. Pards:"Debuchy you are playing too well, play shitter." That's pretty much how it goes, or "don't take any chances just hoof it) or he tells other players to remain static and don't you dare make a run Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Well we are not going to match his wages if he really is on €87,500 a week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 I really hope we don't get Gignac i know we are desperate but he's rubbish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Well we are not going to match his wages if he really is on €87,500 a week. £75,188.05 we won't go that high but we may get close Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 I really hope we don't get Gignac i know we are desperate but he's rubbish. How does he and Gomis compare? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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