madras Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Nobbyohnobby. Wonga are pussycats compared to Barclays whom he has no objection to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 No chance are Wonga not going to allow our main striker to not wear their sponsor. Hmmm...I'm still trying to work out what that means when it's unraveled. I can only see 1 option at the moment, Cisse is sold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Oh god, if Cisse doesn't give in soon then he's gone no matter what, I reckon. Ashley won't like what he's seeing, and we'll get Darren Bent in for 8m and he'll be our main striker I'm not against Bent coming here, but if it's to replace Cisse he'll be under tremendous pressure. I'm not sure that's the atmosphere he'll want to arrive in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 No matter the religious or moral implications, Wonga is a fucking awful shirt sponsor, tacky and cheap which can basically be applied to our entire brand ATM Personally speaking, I don't like having Wonga associated with our club but had just about resigned myself to it. If we start losing players as a result though I will be pissed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Fuck selling him tbh. He's a good player and we got him at a reasonable price. We can sensibly resolve this without selling him The only way we will sell him is if we get his full market value. Say what you like about Ashley but he won't ever be taken for a mug in the transfer market. But at what point does Ashley decide paying Cisse wages without him playing is worse than copping a hit of a few million on a transfer fee? And before anyone suggests NOT paying Cisse (i.e. continuously fining him for refusing to play), just image how that might play out in the court of public opinion... they'd be within their rights to since by refusing to play he's in breach of contract, can't expect to get the massive wages he gets without actually doing your job Are you sure about that? Personally, I think a good lawyer might make a decent case that an employer cannot take action against an employee for making a moral stand, especially when they had no input in the decision-making process that led to the morally objectionable outcome. I'm not taking a side here, and I don't know how UK industrial relations legislation works, but I'm certain a good lawyer could make a good case, and all the while Ashley is paying squillions in legal fees while the case is being played out in the courts and in the media. I don't believe it's as cut and dried as you have suggested. It's fairly straight forward it's illegal to force anyone to do anything at work that goes against their religious beliefs. If they aren't careful Cisse could piss off for free as they are in breach of employment law ergo in breach of contract. Meaning Cisse should be able to just leave without a fee if he chooses to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 It won't go to court. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Gorilla.....that's a myth and has been proved loads of times. Sunday trading for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Didn't British Airways win a case against a Cabin Staff wearing a cross necklace? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 It could have worked out better like. I mean, Wonga are a shite brand and horrible company, but it's not like we did anything actually wrong having them as sponsor. You can't really get into a situation where you're consulting the religious beliefs of your players about commercial decisions. (Not that I disagree with Cisse's stance necessarily) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 This is going back to the sponsorship deal itself. The fact that Wonga were the best sponsorship for the club says quite a bit about how businesses view us commercially. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 This is going back to the sponsorship deal itself. The fact that Wonga were the best sponsorship for the club says quite a bit about how businesses view us commercially. Yup. Companies will see us as tacky as fuck and you can't blame them for that. Everybody says what a great businessman Ashley is yet he's been terrible for us on the commercial side of things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matta Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 We have a shitstorm around us attracting easily avoidable shit like this. No doubt this will affect us greatly this summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 It could have worked out better like. I mean, Wonga are a shite brand and horrible company, but it's not like we did anything actually wrong having them as sponsor. You can't really get into a situation where you're consulting the religious beliefs of your players about commercial decisions. (Not that I disagree with Cisse's stance necessarily) The bottom line is do I care more about Wonga or our football team? When Wonga starts having a positive contribution to the football I'll be inclined to look at them more favourably. As of now I wish they would just fuck off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 With Nees on this one - the fact that we have Wonga as our sponsor says it all really. The power of our brand has been tarnished under Ashley's ownership and Llambias' "business dealings" from a commercial stand-point. All of the tremendous uproar about having them as our sponsor in the press and amongst the fan base is another damning piece of evidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 He's got no problem accepting the obscene salary he receives but objects to a company charging obscene interest rates. Some of customers of Wonga will also be putting money into Cisse's pocket, perhaps he should ask for a pay cut or as has been suggested put some of his salary to a charity dealing with debt. I dislike these pay day loan companies with a passion - praying on the vulnerable like they do. But, Cisse can't court the devil and not expect to be asked to get burnt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 It could have worked out better like. I mean, Wonga are a shite brand and horrible company, but it's not like we did anything actually wrong having them as sponsor. You can't really get into a situation where you're consulting the religious beliefs of your players about commercial decisions. (Not that I disagree with Cisse's stance necessarily) The bottom line is do I care more about Wonga or our football team? When Wonga starts having a positive contribution to the football I'll be inclined to look at them more favourably. As of now I wish they would just fuck off. I agree, I wish they would fuck off as well. I don't want them as our sponsor. I'm just saying that the club didn't actually do anything wrong to choose them, and they could not make sponsorship decisions based on things like what companies Muslim players approve of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 He's got no problem accepting the obscene salary he receives but objects to a company charging obscene interest rates. Some of customers of Wonga will also be putting money into Cisse's pocket, perhaps he should ask for a pay cut or as has been suggested put some of his salary to a charity dealing with debt. I dislike these pay day loan companies with a passion - praying on the vulnerable like they do. But, Cisse can't court the devil and not expect to be asked to get burnt. I don't think you've identified any hypocrisy there at all. I doubt Islam has any doctrine about not being able to work for a salary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 What a fucking mess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Pinkman Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 As per with religion the whole situation is extremely hypocritical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 It could have worked out better like. I mean, Wonga are a shite brand and horrible company, but it's not like we did anything actually wrong having them as sponsor. You can't really get into a situation where you're consulting the religious beliefs of your players about commercial decisions. (Not that I disagree with Cisse's stance necessarily) The bottom line is do I care more about Wonga or our football team? When Wonga starts having a positive contribution to the football I'll be inclined to look at them more favourably. As of now I wish they would just fuck off. I agree, I wish they would fuck off as well. I don't want them as our sponsor. I'm just saying that the club didn't actually do anything wrong to choose them, and they could not make sponsorship decisions based on things like what companies Muslim players approve of. I am not really looking to blame anyone here, hindsight is easy, but I guess at the end of the day you live by your decisions and the club now has to deal with the one they made. Maybe it will work out well, but from my POV as a fan, right now I'm not impressed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 You think he would accept it if Allah Shearer called him and said it's ok? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 As per with religion the whole situation is extremely hypocritical. With the amount of flexibility in religion and the way people pick and choose what to abide by, it's basically impossible to make a judgement about the whole thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 He's got no problem accepting the obscene salary he receives but objects to a company charging obscene interest rates. Some of customers of Wonga will also be putting money into Cisse's pocket, perhaps he should ask for a pay cut or as has been suggested put some of his salary to a charity dealing with debt. I dislike these pay day loan companies with a passion - praying on the vulnerable like they do. But, Cisse can't court the devil and not expect to be asked to get burnt. I don't think you've identified any hypocrisy there at all. I doubt Islam has any doctrine about not being able to work for a salary. I doubt it has - doesn't mean that there's an element of double standards going on. I doubt Cisse's burning ambition in his career was to play for us and that money talked. Surely he has to accept that in this league that cash is king and if he doesn't like what that may bring he should not have signed? I've no real sympathy with him over this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 In hindsight Wonga should really have quietly said to the club they were okay with Cisse wearing a shirt without a badge. If Cisse leaves on the back of it, it's hardly going to improve their image and the whole business has given them more negative publicity they could have done without. Except of course both they and Ashley see all publicity as good publicity. It's a nonsense. He plays in the Barclays League He wore a Virgin Money Shirt. He likes gambling in casinos He sits smoking shisha pipes in a scruffy cafe. It's a conveniant excuse to engineer either a move or a big pay rise. I wonder if he invests his massive pay packet in ISA's and High Interest Offshore Bank Accounts as well? What a load of tripe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 He's got no problem accepting the obscene salary he receives but objects to a company charging obscene interest rates. Some of customers of Wonga will also be putting money into Cisse's pocket, perhaps he should ask for a pay cut or as has been suggested put some of his salary to a charity dealing with debt. I dislike these pay day loan companies with a passion - praying on the vulnerable like they do. But, Cisse can't court the devil and not expect to be asked to get burnt. I don't think you've identified any hypocrisy there at all. I doubt Islam has any doctrine about not being able to work for a salary. I doubt it has - doesn't mean that there's an element of double standards going on. I doubt Cisse's burning ambition in his career was to play for us and that money talked. Surely he has to accept that in this league that cash is king and if he doesn't like what that may bring he should not have signed? I've no real sympathy with him over this. Maybe he wouldn't have if Wonga were here then. Since they weren't we can only speculate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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