Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 This is going back to the sponsorship deal itself. The fact that Wonga were the best sponsorship for the club says quite a bit about how businesses view us commercially. Yup. Companies will see us as tacky as f*** and you can't blame them for that. Everybody says what a great businessman Ashley is yet he's been terrible for us on the commercial side of things. To be fair we are very appealing to a Company like Wonga. Large local fanbase. Lots of poverty. Below average employment rates and wage rates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 It could have worked out better like. I mean, Wonga are a shite brand and horrible company, but it's not like we did anything actually wrong having them as sponsor. You can't really get into a situation where you're consulting the religious beliefs of your players about commercial decisions. (Not that I disagree with Cisse's stance necessarily) The bottom line is do I care more about Wonga or our football team? When Wonga starts having a positive contribution to the football I'll be inclined to look at them more favourably. As of now I wish they would just fuck off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 With Nees on this one - the fact that we have Wonga as our sponsor says it all really. The power of our brand has been tarnished under Ashley's ownership and Llambias' "business dealings" from a commercial stand-point. All of the tremendous uproar about having them as our sponsor in the press and amongst the fan base is another damning piece of evidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 He's got no problem accepting the obscene salary he receives but objects to a company charging obscene interest rates. Some of customers of Wonga will also be putting money into Cisse's pocket, perhaps he should ask for a pay cut or as has been suggested put some of his salary to a charity dealing with debt. I dislike these pay day loan companies with a passion - praying on the vulnerable like they do. But, Cisse can't court the devil and not expect to be asked to get burnt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 It could have worked out better like. I mean, Wonga are a shite brand and horrible company, but it's not like we did anything actually wrong having them as sponsor. You can't really get into a situation where you're consulting the religious beliefs of your players about commercial decisions. (Not that I disagree with Cisse's stance necessarily) The bottom line is do I care more about Wonga or our football team? When Wonga starts having a positive contribution to the football I'll be inclined to look at them more favourably. As of now I wish they would just fuck off. I agree, I wish they would fuck off as well. I don't want them as our sponsor. I'm just saying that the club didn't actually do anything wrong to choose them, and they could not make sponsorship decisions based on things like what companies Muslim players approve of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 He's got no problem accepting the obscene salary he receives but objects to a company charging obscene interest rates. Some of customers of Wonga will also be putting money into Cisse's pocket, perhaps he should ask for a pay cut or as has been suggested put some of his salary to a charity dealing with debt. I dislike these pay day loan companies with a passion - praying on the vulnerable like they do. But, Cisse can't court the devil and not expect to be asked to get burnt. I don't think you've identified any hypocrisy there at all. I doubt Islam has any doctrine about not being able to work for a salary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 What a fucking mess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Pinkman Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 As per with religion the whole situation is extremely hypocritical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 It could have worked out better like. I mean, Wonga are a shite brand and horrible company, but it's not like we did anything actually wrong having them as sponsor. You can't really get into a situation where you're consulting the religious beliefs of your players about commercial decisions. (Not that I disagree with Cisse's stance necessarily) The bottom line is do I care more about Wonga or our football team? When Wonga starts having a positive contribution to the football I'll be inclined to look at them more favourably. As of now I wish they would just fuck off. I agree, I wish they would fuck off as well. I don't want them as our sponsor. I'm just saying that the club didn't actually do anything wrong to choose them, and they could not make sponsorship decisions based on things like what companies Muslim players approve of. I am not really looking to blame anyone here, hindsight is easy, but I guess at the end of the day you live by your decisions and the club now has to deal with the one they made. Maybe it will work out well, but from my POV as a fan, right now I'm not impressed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 You think he would accept it if Allah Shearer called him and said it's ok? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 As per with religion the whole situation is extremely hypocritical. With the amount of flexibility in religion and the way people pick and choose what to abide by, it's basically impossible to make a judgement about the whole thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 He's got no problem accepting the obscene salary he receives but objects to a company charging obscene interest rates. Some of customers of Wonga will also be putting money into Cisse's pocket, perhaps he should ask for a pay cut or as has been suggested put some of his salary to a charity dealing with debt. I dislike these pay day loan companies with a passion - praying on the vulnerable like they do. But, Cisse can't court the devil and not expect to be asked to get burnt. I don't think you've identified any hypocrisy there at all. I doubt Islam has any doctrine about not being able to work for a salary. I doubt it has - doesn't mean that there's an element of double standards going on. I doubt Cisse's burning ambition in his career was to play for us and that money talked. Surely he has to accept that in this league that cash is king and if he doesn't like what that may bring he should not have signed? I've no real sympathy with him over this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 In hindsight Wonga should really have quietly said to the club they were okay with Cisse wearing a shirt without a badge. If Cisse leaves on the back of it, it's hardly going to improve their image and the whole business has given them more negative publicity they could have done without. Except of course both they and Ashley see all publicity as good publicity. It's a nonsense. He plays in the Barclays League He wore a Virgin Money Shirt. He likes gambling in casinos He sits smoking shisha pipes in a scruffy cafe. It's a conveniant excuse to engineer either a move or a big pay rise. I wonder if he invests his massive pay packet in ISA's and High Interest Offshore Bank Accounts as well? What a load of tripe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 He's got no problem accepting the obscene salary he receives but objects to a company charging obscene interest rates. Some of customers of Wonga will also be putting money into Cisse's pocket, perhaps he should ask for a pay cut or as has been suggested put some of his salary to a charity dealing with debt. I dislike these pay day loan companies with a passion - praying on the vulnerable like they do. But, Cisse can't court the devil and not expect to be asked to get burnt. I don't think you've identified any hypocrisy there at all. I doubt Islam has any doctrine about not being able to work for a salary. I doubt it has - doesn't mean that there's an element of double standards going on. I doubt Cisse's burning ambition in his career was to play for us and that money talked. Surely he has to accept that in this league that cash is king and if he doesn't like what that may bring he should not have signed? I've no real sympathy with him over this. Maybe he wouldn't have if Wonga were here then. Since they weren't we can only speculate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Oh god, if Cisse doesn't give in soon then he's gone no matter what, I reckon. Ashley won't like what he's seeing, and we'll get Darren Bent in for 8m and he'll be our main striker Why fork out for a new striker when we have Shola? Imagine the Cisse issue not being resolved and we're stuck with that donkey for an entire season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 He's got no problem accepting the obscene salary he receives but objects to a company charging obscene interest rates. Some of customers of Wonga will also be putting money into Cisse's pocket, perhaps he should ask for a pay cut or as has been suggested put some of his salary to a charity dealing with debt. I dislike these pay day loan companies with a passion - praying on the vulnerable like they do. But, Cisse can't court the devil and not expect to be asked to get burnt. I don't think you've identified any hypocrisy there at all. I doubt Islam has any doctrine about not being able to work for a salary. I doubt it has - doesn't mean that there's an element of double standards going on. I doubt Cisse's burning ambition in his career was to play for us and that money talked. Surely he has to accept that in this league that cash is king and if he doesn't like what that may bring he should not have signed? I've no real sympathy with him over this. Why should he accept that though? Just because he's here and he's getting paid? I don't see why being a professional footballer means you should be expected to give up all your principles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Why not dont him and wonga give somthing to his charity as a PR stunt? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Wow, what a mess. Good stuff from both the club and Cissé. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Oh god, if Cisse doesn't give in soon then he's gone no matter what, I reckon. Ashley won't like what he's seeing, and we'll get Darren Bent in for 8m and he'll be our main striker Why fork out for a new striker when we have Shola? Imagine the Cisse issue not being resolved and we're stuck with that donkey for an entire season. He would break down after about 3 weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 In hindsight Wonga should really have quietly said to the club they were okay with Cisse wearing a shirt without a badge. If Cisse leaves on the back of it, it's hardly going to improve their image and the whole business has given them more negative publicity they could have done without. Except of course both they and Ashley see all publicity as good publicity. It's a nonsense. He plays in the Barclays League He wore a Virgin Money Shirt. He likes gambling in casinos He sits smoking shisha pipes in a scruffy cafe. It's a conveniant excuse to engineer either a move or a big pay rise. I wonder if he invests his massive pay packet in ISA's and High Interest Offshore Bank Accounts as well? As previously said both Barclays and Virgin Money have been known to offer Muslim facilities upon request. Has he ever gambled?, people say he's been in a casino but did he actually gamble or was he with friends?, was it his money he gambled with? Smoking is common social pleasure in the middle east, I don't think there is anything in Islam that forbids smoking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Fine him then sell the hypocritical cunt. He's fucking shit anyway, our best striker by default more than anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 This is going back to the sponsorship deal itself. The fact that Wonga were the best sponsorship for the club says quite a bit about how businesses view us commercially. Yup. Companies will see us as tacky as f*** and you can't blame them for that. Everybody says what a great businessman Ashley is yet he's been terrible for us on the commercial side of things. Didn't Virgin Money say they were likely to have matched what Wonga offered if they were even consulted? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Considering how long this has been going on, I'm beginning to feel a resolution has indeed been reached, and it's to sell him. The idea we were after two strikers while losing no one always seemed a bit far fetched imo. Bent is smelling more and more like a Cisse replacement, which is probably why they've felt it was acceptable to get such an experienced player. Weird stuff going on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 I've always thought if we buy Bent it's to replace Cisse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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