nemtizz Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Oh god, if Cisse doesn't give in soon then he's gone no matter what, I reckon. Ashley won't like what he's seeing, and we'll get Darren Bent in for 8m and he'll be our main striker Why fork out for a new striker when we have Shola? Imagine the Cisse issue not being resolved and we're stuck with that donkey for an entire season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 He's got no problem accepting the obscene salary he receives but objects to a company charging obscene interest rates. Some of customers of Wonga will also be putting money into Cisse's pocket, perhaps he should ask for a pay cut or as has been suggested put some of his salary to a charity dealing with debt. I dislike these pay day loan companies with a passion - praying on the vulnerable like they do. But, Cisse can't court the devil and not expect to be asked to get burnt. I don't think you've identified any hypocrisy there at all. I doubt Islam has any doctrine about not being able to work for a salary. I doubt it has - doesn't mean that there's an element of double standards going on. I doubt Cisse's burning ambition in his career was to play for us and that money talked. Surely he has to accept that in this league that cash is king and if he doesn't like what that may bring he should not have signed? I've no real sympathy with him over this. Why should he accept that though? Just because he's here and he's getting paid? I don't see why being a professional footballer means you should be expected to give up all your principles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Why not dont him and wonga give somthing to his charity as a PR stunt? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Wow, what a mess. Good stuff from both the club and Cissé. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Oh god, if Cisse doesn't give in soon then he's gone no matter what, I reckon. Ashley won't like what he's seeing, and we'll get Darren Bent in for 8m and he'll be our main striker Why fork out for a new striker when we have Shola? Imagine the Cisse issue not being resolved and we're stuck with that donkey for an entire season. He would break down after about 3 weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 In hindsight Wonga should really have quietly said to the club they were okay with Cisse wearing a shirt without a badge. If Cisse leaves on the back of it, it's hardly going to improve their image and the whole business has given them more negative publicity they could have done without. Except of course both they and Ashley see all publicity as good publicity. It's a nonsense. He plays in the Barclays League He wore a Virgin Money Shirt. He likes gambling in casinos He sits smoking shisha pipes in a scruffy cafe. It's a conveniant excuse to engineer either a move or a big pay rise. I wonder if he invests his massive pay packet in ISA's and High Interest Offshore Bank Accounts as well? As previously said both Barclays and Virgin Money have been known to offer Muslim facilities upon request. Has he ever gambled?, people say he's been in a casino but did he actually gamble or was he with friends?, was it his money he gambled with? Smoking is common social pleasure in the middle east, I don't think there is anything in Islam that forbids smoking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Fine him then sell the hypocritical cunt. He's fucking shit anyway, our best striker by default more than anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 This is going back to the sponsorship deal itself. The fact that Wonga were the best sponsorship for the club says quite a bit about how businesses view us commercially. Yup. Companies will see us as tacky as f*** and you can't blame them for that. Everybody says what a great businessman Ashley is yet he's been terrible for us on the commercial side of things. Didn't Virgin Money say they were likely to have matched what Wonga offered if they were even consulted? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Considering how long this has been going on, I'm beginning to feel a resolution has indeed been reached, and it's to sell him. The idea we were after two strikers while losing no one always seemed a bit far fetched imo. Bent is smelling more and more like a Cisse replacement, which is probably why they've felt it was acceptable to get such an experienced player. Weird stuff going on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 I've always thought if we buy Bent it's to replace Cisse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 I guess Pardew's shite about having to wait on other things to happening before we make our moves could be regarding the resolution of the Cisse issue. As much as I hope it's not the case, it makes sense that Bent would be a replacement for Cisse at this stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Still not convinced we've got the whole story. However, there is no hypocrisy if someone gambles but doesn't accept payday loan companies on moral grounds. It would be hypocrisy if he was loansharking himself.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Surely if Cisse got to wear his charity's logo instead of the Wonga stuff, that would be great PR from a Wonga perspective. Sure their logo wouldn't be in every picture of him celebrating (hopefully) etc, but people would always make the link between them and the charity anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Surely if Cisse got to wear his charity's logo instead of the Wonga stuff, that would be great PR from a Wonga perspective. Sure their logo wouldn't be in every picture of him celebrating (hopefully) etc, but people would always make the link between them and the charity anyway Except the link would be 'these guys are good and wonga are evil'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Surely if Cisse got to wear his charity's logo instead of the Wonga stuff, that would be great PR from a Wonga perspective. Sure their logo wouldn't be in every picture of him celebrating (hopefully) etc, but people would always make the link between them and the charity anyway But then other players will just pipe up and complain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 It could have worked out better like. I mean, Wonga are a shite brand and horrible company, but it's not like we did anything actually wrong having them as sponsor. You can't really get into a situation where you're consulting the religious beliefs of your players about commercial decisions. (Not that I disagree with Cisse's stance necessarily) I love you Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Surely if Cisse got to wear his charity's logo instead of the Wonga stuff, that would be great PR from a Wonga perspective. Sure their logo wouldn't be in every picture of him celebrating (hopefully) etc, but people would always make the link between them and the charity anyway Except the link would be 'these guys are good and wonga are evil'. I'm fairly sure they don't care about people's opinions of them though, as long as their name is out there (which, although it wouldn't be, would still draw attention to Wonga imo) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Surely if Cisse got to wear his charity's logo instead of the Wonga stuff, that would be great PR from a Wonga perspective. Sure their logo wouldn't be in every picture of him celebrating (hopefully) etc, but people would always make the link between them and the charity anyway Except the link would be 'these guys are good and wonga are evil'. I'm fairly sure they don't care about people's opinions of them though, as long as their name is out there (which, although it wouldn't be, would still draw attention to Wonga imo) Yeah, but I was responding to the suggestion that they would benefit from positive association with the charity Cisse would wear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Bet if we'd finished in the top half this issue wouldn't have reared its head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Bet if we'd finished in the top half this issue wouldn't have reared its head. Now that's a major reach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Surely if Cisse got to wear his charity's logo instead of the Wonga stuff, that would be great PR from a Wonga perspective. Sure their logo wouldn't be in every picture of him celebrating (hopefully) etc, but people would always make the link between them and the charity anyway Except the link would be 'these guys are good and wonga are evil'. I'm fairly sure they don't care about people's opinions of them though, as long as their name is out there (which, although it wouldn't be, would still draw attention to Wonga imo) Yeah, but I was responding to the suggestion that they would benefit from positive association with the charity Cisse would wear. Ah I see. I meant that - from Wonga's perspective - people would look at Cisse's shirt and think "Why does he have a charity logo there?", then think "What do all the other players have?", then think "Wonga". I doubt anyone would conclude that Cisse wearing charity gear = Wonga are nice lovely people Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Fuck this shit man. I had a feeling when everyone kept debating if Pardew would play Bent and Cisse together something was up. Also, if the issue really is just about wonga and not something else, couldn't Cisse just wear a shirt with the blue wonga box but it doesn't say wonga on it. Then both are happy, Cisse isn't advertising and blue box still sort of tell's you it's wonga. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Bet if we'd finished in the top half this issue wouldn't have reared its head. Now that's a major reach. Not really. Makes it easier for him to move doesn't it? -without outright saying we are shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Wonga must be loving all this by the way, it's a massive win-win situation. Wouldn't be surprised if they came out and said they were okay with Cisse wearing what he wants. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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