TRC Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 No but he didn't put much effort in today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Set the first goal up didn't he? 'twas Moussa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 He's a striker... Did he miss any chances?... He's a forward... Did he hold the ball up effectively? Did he bring other players into play? Did he create chances for others? Did he move well enough to make it possible for others to play him in? Did he score? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 His assist aside he was fucking woeful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Set the first goal up didn't he? 'twas Moussa. Really? Pretty sure it was Cisse like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 It was Cisse but it was also his complete miss-hit that reached Remy to score Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Set the first goal up didn't he? 'twas Moussa. Really? Pretty sure it was Cisse like. My bad. App has it down as Sissoko. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Cisse had the shite volley that went to Remy, Sissoko whipped it in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineBarrens Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 He's a striker... Did he miss any chances?... He's a forward... Did he hold the ball up effectively? Did he bring other players into play? Did he create chances for others? Did he move well enough to make it possible for others to play him in? Did he score? Created more goal scoring opportunities today than any other NUFC player according to the stats. Did he have a good game? No. Should he be dropped? Possibly, if there were any decent striking options on the bench but there are not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 It was an "assist" only by the technical definition of the term. No way did he mean to play Remy in. It was a miss hit shot, which would have gone well wide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 His assist aside he was fucking woeful. Not sure a mistimed shot can be regarded as a positive in any other way than that luck were on our side in terms of where it ended up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Absolutely toss today. Not only is he not scoring his mediocre link up play has turned to utter filth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 He's pretty detrimental, it was bad enough when he wasn't scoring but now it's like the other team have 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 It will be interesting to see how effective we are if he's dropped. He still occupies central defenders even when he's off form, I wonder if Remy will find as much space when the central defenders are marking him instead? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Probably not, has Remy ever played uptop by himself? God bless not going bust > having options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 He's a striker... Did he miss any chances?... He's a forward... Did he hold the ball up effectively? Did he bring other players into play? Did he create chances for others? Did he move well enough to make it possible for others to play him in? Did he score? Created more goal scoring opportunities today than any other NUFC player according to the stats. Did he have a good game? No. Should he be dropped? Possibly, if there were any decent striking options on the bench but there are not. Which stats are those? I fully appreciate we lack options up front, and this is why I have said, and still think we must persist with him. That said, people have been saying all it would take to get Cisse firing on all cylinders was for Ba to fuck off, then to play him centrally as a lone forward, then to create more chances as a team. Now apparently all it takes is chances put on a plate for him. My mother could score chances if they're put on a plate. What we need is a striker who can contribute effectively to our attacking play as well as sticking the ball in the net on a consistent basis. Can Cisse do this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineBarrens Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 He's a striker... Did he miss any chances?... He's a forward... Did he hold the ball up effectively? Did he bring other players into play? Did he create chances for others? Did he move well enough to make it possible for others to play him in? Did he score? Created more goal scoring opportunities today than any other NUFC player according to the stats. Did he have a good game? No. Should he be dropped? Possibly, if there were any decent striking options on the bench but there are not. Which stats are those? I fully appreciate we lack options up front, and this is why I have said, and still think we must persist with him. That said, people have been saying all it would take to get Cisse firing on all cylinders was for Ba to f*** off, then to play him centrally as a lone forward, then to create more chances as a team. Now apparently all it takes is chances put on a plate for him. My mother could score chances if they're put on a plate. What we need is a striker who can contribute effectively to our attacking play as well as sticking the ball in the net on a consistent basis. Can Cisse do this? NUFC stats on twitter. Well he certainly can't play as a lone striker and appears to be most effective in a 4-3-3, as evidenced by his wondrous form from January-May 2012. So it's either drop him for an inferior striker in Shola or Gouffran or persist with him in a 4-3-3 formation. Another striker in January is essential. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 He's been f*cking awful for ages.... in his position the CF needs to hold the ball and link play as well as make intelligent runs. Cisse does none of that and thus f*cking useless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Aside from the first 15 minutes today we were pretty awful, Cisse needs a goal but, we are short of options. Shola, whether we like it or not is the best alternative as a central striker. Remy looked lost through the middle when Cisse came off today. Pardew offered nothing to his players from the touch line in the second half when the players needed a good kicking and to be fair, Colo offers little motivation to his team when things aren't happening. At HT we all agreed that we could easily lose the game but I didn't expect the pathetic 2nd half that we witnessed. The more I think about it the more I believe Pardew should go however, the thought if JK coming in to reek havoc for several months is almost too much to bear. MA has got us in a right Catch 22. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 He's been f*cking awful for ages.... in his position the CF needs to hold the ball and link play as well as make intelligent runs. Cisse does none of that and thus f*cking useless. Do you think Gouffran will hold the ball up any better? He doesn't look that sort to me tbh, both him and Remy look like they'd work better off a genuine target man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 He's been f*cking awful for ages.... in his position the CF needs to hold the ball and link play as well as make intelligent runs. Cisse does none of that and thus f*cking useless. Do you think Gouffran will hold the ball up any better? He doesn't look that sort to me tbh, both him and Remy look like they'd work better off a genuine target man. He might or might not, but he is surely less likely to thunder the ball into touch when he does hold it up as Cisse did twice today. I agree with the last bit but as always because the cunts in charge knew best we have no options to make stuff happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Gouffran holds the ball up better, he moves better and he links play better. There is a reason most of the time when he plays our general play is better and there's also reason why he gets into more goalscoring positions than Cisse does. I'd start him until we can get someone decent. BTW when i say hold the ball up better i don't mean the Andy Carroll type chest it down and wait for support.... i mean give him the ball and he will hold it up better than Cisse does because he's much better technically. Obviously Cisse is a better finisher but what is the point? he never gets in the position to score anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Gouffran holds the ball up better, he moves better and he links play better. There is a reason most of the time when he plays our general play is better and there's also reason why he gets into more goalscoring positions than Cisse does. I'd start him until we can get someone decent. BTW when i say hold the ball up better i don't mean the Andy Carroll type chest it down and wait for support.... i mean give him the ball and he will hold it up better than Cisse does because he's much better technically. Obviously Cisse is a better finisher but what is the point? he never gets in the position to score anymore. Well if he gets the chance I'll be interested to see how well he holds the ball up. When he started up front against Morecambe in the cup game he was pretty much snuffed out entirely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 We were much worse offensively after Gouffran came on. To say he holds the ball up better, I just don't know what to say to that really. He never got near anything after he came on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 We long balled it the entire game tbf.... pretty much a given no matter who we play we need to keep it on the ground as much as possible. We have zero aerially prowess so its a waste of time.... well Remy looks decent in the air but that's about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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