The College Dropout Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Playing him in the middle for 90 minutes in a 4-3-3 formation would certainly help. What has he done to deserve that? He can't even stay onside from the right wing ffs. Yesterday we rotated in the first half and he played up top in the second half. Shit throughout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Playing him in the middle for 90 minutes in a 4-3-3 formation would certainly help. What has he done to deserve that? He can't even stay onside from the right wing ffs. Yesterday we rotated in the first half and he played up top in the second half. Shit throughout. That spell from January to May last season. Nowt else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Playing him in the middle for 90 minutes in a 4-3-3 formation would certainly help. What has he done to deserve that? He can't even stay onside from the right wing ffs. Yesterday we rotated in the first half and he played up top in the second half. Shit throughout. Well, he scored a remarkable amount of goals last season. It's not even about whether he 'deserves' to play centrally or not. That's his position, it's where he has to play to be worth anything. And throughout his career he has shown he'll return a large amount of goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 He hasn't looked the same player this season, especially these last few weeks. Ba for me has been the better player this season and should lead our line in a 4-3-3. Cisse has had chances recently and he's either wasted them or been offside. That's nobody's fault but his own. In the last few games he's been in the box a lot of the time. He's been shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alijmitchell Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Playing him in the middle for 90 minutes in a 4-3-3 formation would certainly help. What has he done to deserve that? He can't even stay onside from the right wing ffs. Yesterday we rotated in the first half and he played up top in the second half. s*** throughout. Well, he scored a remarkable amount of goals last season. It's not even about whether he 'deserves' to play centrally or not. That's his position, it's where he has to play to be worth anything. And throughout his career he has shown he'll return a large amount of goals. Agreed. He has clearly demonstrated his talents in the past, and is going through a rough patch. Either drop him to the bench or play him centrally. Simple. I don't see Fergie sticking RVP on the right... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 He's an out and out goal poacher, he simply isn't good enough to play out wide creating stuff. We signed him as a goal scorer so he should be played there. Absolute fucking madness that's not to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Playing him in the middle for 90 minutes in a 4-3-3 formation would certainly help. What has he done to deserve that? He can't even stay onside from the right wing ffs. Yesterday we rotated in the first half and he played up top in the second half. s*** throughout. Well, he scored a remarkable amount of goals last season. It's not even about whether he 'deserves' to play centrally or not. That's his position, it's where he has to play to be worth anything. And throughout his career he has shown he'll return a large amount of goals. Agreed. He has clearly demonstrated his talents in the past, and is going through a rough patch. Either drop him to the bench or play him centrally. Simple. I don't see Fergie sticking RVP on the right... RVP has played on the left on occasion. He's also scoring goals. cisse played most of yesterday down the middle and was woeful. IMO Cisse should be benched. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 He hasn't looked the same player this season, especially these last few weeks. Ba for me has been the better player this season and should lead our line in a 4-3-3. Cisse has had chances recently and he's either wasted them or been offside. That's nobody's fault but his own. In the last few games he's been in the box a lot of the time. He's been s***. Cisse has never played out wide in his life! Of course he has to play centrally if we wnat to see the best of him. Yeah, he's had a slow start, but the way to get him to snap out of it, is to make him as comfortable as possible. At the very least both he and Ba should rotate positions at least some of the time, or per half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 It's simple that either him or Ba needs to be dropped rather than trying to play both as Cisse is the least capable of playing anywhere but up top. Ba has the movement and unpredictability and is the better footballer of the two and if anything he should drop back to Left. However I would rather we dropped one and have a go with Ben Arfa and Marveux. Or failing that maybe Oberwank on the right/left Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 He's an out and out goal poacher, he simply isn't good enough to play out wide creating stuff. We signed him as a goal scorer so he should be played there. Absolute f***ing madness that's not to be honest. Yep. Play him through the middle in a front 3 and he'll score for fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 He hasn't looked the same player this season, especially these last few weeks. Ba for me has been the better player this season and should lead our line in a 4-3-3. Cisse has had chances recently and he's either wasted them or been offside. That's nobody's fault but his own. In the last few games he's been in the box a lot of the time. He's been s***. Cisse has never played out wide in his life! Of course he has to play centrally if we wnat to see the best of him. Yeah, he's had a slow start, but the way to get him to snap out of it, is to make him as comfortable as possible. At the very least both he and Ba should rotate positions at least some of the time, or per half. Yesterday they did. In the first half they swapped positions and in the second both played upfront. Cisse was wank throughout and couldn't stay onside. The one moment of good play between them sums Cisse up this season for me. Ba looks to play Cisse in, Cisse goes for a spectacular finish that smacks the post but he was offside anyway. Bench pls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 When Cisse was upfront and Ba was dropping off him, Ba's link up play was horrendous and so we couldn't sustain any attacking play enough to create chances for Cisse. Ba played him in once the whole damn game, and you hold it against Cisse for missing and being offside? Cisse is a far better striker when he is upfront, and someone who can pass him the ball plays off him. His movement is exceptional, as is his finishing. Can't agree with the number of people claiming Ba is a better striker, and more worthy of that central position. No chance for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Why is the onus on Ba to play in Cisse? Why doesn't Cisse play in Ba? They're both #9's. Ba's not a link up striker. Ba played Cisse in twice against Wigan, again Cisse was offside and the other led to a penalty. This was when Ba largely played up top and Cisse wide. There's nothing to suggest Cisse is a far better striker than Ba. They're both goalscorers and only one is scoring. Cisses' had chances this season, he's missed them and been offside. That's nobody's fault but his own. They're both 1 in 2 for Newcastle. Drop Cisse and bring him on when Ba's legs go. When Ba's had his chances up top this season he's scored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Ba is just more suitable to that role than Cisse. Ba is more versatile, Cisse is a pure predator. To get the best end result, that should be how they're used. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Think Cisse up front on his own with Ben Arfa just behind him could be the way forward - reminiscent of the Cole/Beardsley partnership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Ba is just more suitable to that role than Cisse. Ba is more versatile, Cisse is a pure predator. To get the best end result, that should be how they're used. Ba and Cisse are both fine strikers in their own way, and most teams in the premier would happily take them off our hands given half a chance. The problem is not the strikers, but other areas of the pitch, ineffective style and poor service resulting from these things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Our misuse of Cisse is sickening. Genuinely deadly finisher who could easily surpass the 20 goal mark in the Premier League and he's stuck wide right. Without wanting to go into the common cliches, why can we not put the tidier all round performer Ba out wide and put our best striker in his best position? A fully fit and confident Ba (the stark contrast to the Ba of April 2012) would still get goals from the left, while contributing to an improved overall shape. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Our misuse of Cisse is sickening. Genuinely deadly finisher who could easily surpass the 20 goal mark in the Premier League and he's stuck wide right. Without wanting to go into the common cliches, why can we not put the tidier all round performer Ba out wide and put our best striker in his best position? A fully fit and confident Ba (the stark contrast to the Ba of April 2012) would still get goals from the left, while contributing to an improved overall shape. Been banging on about this for ages. Ba was never having issues with the amount of chances when wide left. He just wasn't scoring the chances he had, and he had plenty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Ba is just more suitable to that role than Cisse. Ba is more versatile, Cisse is a pure predator. To get the best end result, that should be how they're used. Ba and Cisse are both fine strikers in their own way, and most teams in the premier would happily take them off our hands given half a chance. The problem is not the strikers, but other areas of the pitch, ineffective style and poor service resulting from these things. Yep. The squad still basically shakes out like this: ----Tiote-----Jonas------ ---------Anita----------- -------------------------- -------------------------- -------------------------- -------------------------- -------------------------- ---------Ba Cisse------- With HBA expected to provide link-up on his own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Cisse's underrated in terms of his general play, he's useful with the ball at his feet, he played a lovely through ball to Ba in the second. I think he's played relatively well of late. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Cisse's also had plenty of chances this season. He's missed them or been offside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tyson Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Cisse's underrated in terms of his general play, he's useful with the ball at his feet, he played a lovely through ball to Ba in the second. I think he's played relatively well of late. He's not the typical African forward that creates chances (for himself) as a pure dribbling ball-carrier, but his one-touch passing (in quick triangle passing exchanges etc) is solid. One-touch link-up play (which is generally solid, off both feet) and ghosting into the box (diagonally) is Cisse's forte. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 He's probably out of confidence because he's stuck on the wing. The man is a goal machine, wonder how Shearer or Ferdinand would have faired if they were stuck out wide. It's not like he has any of the qualities to play out there at all. Imagine if you scored 12 in 13 then got told "actually your going on wing for a bit, our other striker wants to be the main man" I'd be furious. Isn't that essentially what we told Ba in the second half of last season though..? Aye, with one key difference in the outcome..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 13 in 14, I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 His movement suits the nr 9 role in a team that plays it on the deck perfectly. He's always looking for space and causing confusion, even if he's offside at times. Always goes for rebounds as well. None of this comes into play when he's on the wing. He's not quick, he's not a dribbler, he's not a target man, he's not a particularly good crosser. He's an out and out goalscorer. It's like trying to play Huntelaar on the wing. It's basically as stupid as playing Shola there for that matter, just minus the goalscoring. For me, he's better than Ba in terms of finding space. Ba creates his own space with his physique. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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