Papiss Cissé

[Unbelievable]

It was an excellent pass, but it's hardly like he laid it on a plate for Santon. In fact, Santon did very well to finish it from near enough the same position Cisse hastily ballooned his shot from a few minutes earlier.

[Unbelievable]

He's not being scrutinised more than any 10 million pound striker who is the only viable option in a squad that is massively underperforming this season would be. We are relying on him to score the goals to get us into Europe, and he's not done so consistently enough this season, although as I said, he's improved over the last couple of weeks and long may it continue.

 

Hes only 5 or so goals off last seasons tally with 8 leagues left and other euorpean games to play in.

 

 

 

Is that compared to last year's half season with us?

 

Edit: not even that considering he only started playing for us after his return from the ACON.

[NG32]

He's not being scrutinised more than any 10 million pound striker who is the only viable option in a squad that is massively underperforming this season would be. We are relying on him to score the goals to get us into Europe, and he's not done so consistently enough this season, although as I said, he's improved over the last couple of weeks and long may it continue.

 

Hes only 5 or so goals off last seasons tally with 8 leagues left and other euorpean games to play in.

 

 

 

Is that compared to last year's half season with us?

 

Edit: not even that considering he only started playing for us after his return from the ACON.

 

Last years half season when we were playing well and had  Cabaye, Ben Arfa and Ba for that whole period.

[Unbelievable]

He's not being scrutinised more than any 10 million pound striker who is the only viable option in a squad that is massively underperforming this season would be. We are relying on him to score the goals to get us into Europe, and he's not done so consistently enough this season, although as I said, he's improved over the last couple of weeks and long may it continue.

 

Hes only 5 or so goals off last seasons tally with 8 leagues left and other euorpean games to play in.

 

 

 

Is that compared to last year's half season with us?

 

Edit: not even that considering he only started playing for us after his return from the ACON.

 

Last years half season when we were playing well and had  Cabaye, Ben Arfa and Ba for that whole period.

 

Is that the same Ba that many on here argued was detrimental to Cisse's natural game? 

 

Look, I don't think it can be denied Cisse has not hit the heights of last season's form by any stretch of the imagination this season..?

[Gallowgate Toon]

Dropout obviously loves a highlights player. He'll crucify Cisse's link-up play and no doubt bang on about Benteke being superior, and yet...

 

Benteke's average pass accuracy this season 64.8%, Cisse's 73.9%.

 

Since Villa, Cisse's PA has risen to 76.2% from an average of 23.1 passes per game. Compare that to some different strikers:

RVP - 80.2% (from 26.8 per game).

Giroud - 60.4% (20 PG)

Michu - 77.7% (33 PG)

 

Comparing him to some 'poachers' - Defoe only makes 14 passes per game on average, with 85% finding their man, Bent is 67.8% from 12

 

Not bad for a poacher that apparently can't get involved and contributes nothing to our play, doesn't seem too far off these 'real' footballers.

[colinmk]

His finishing was s**** yesterday, but I thought he played well apart from that. Not just the assist, his link up play was good all afternoon.

 

He made two wrong decisions yesterday but because he hasnt hit the hieghts of last season he is being massively scrutinised on here and has no leeway whatsoever.  Has been pushed out on the right, asked to help cover a FB, given little service and still managed to win us a couple of games with winners.

 

Yep, that's the long and short of it really. How many times have we seen Cisse played in behind a defence this season for example?

[Tooj]

Funny how when Ba was scoring, everyone said it was at the expense of the overall team play. He was also Greedy Demba, always taking he shot instead of the pass. This is definitely true with Cisse at the moment. Offers little other than flashes of brilliance. But now it's everyone else's fault.

 

The assist was great but he rarely does anything great for the team. He's not an outlet. Rarely passes when close to goal. He doesn't hold it up. But aye, it's everyone else's fault that we don't create.

 

Cisse offers a far greater work rate for his team than Ba ever did.

[Guest neesy111]

Funny how when Ba was scoring, everyone said it was at the expense of the overall team play. He was also Greedy Demba, always taking he shot instead of the pass. This is definitely true with Cisse at the moment. Offers little other than flashes of brilliance. But now it's everyone else's fault.

 

The assist was great but he rarely does anything great for the team. He's not an outlet. Rarely passes when close to goal. He doesn't hold it up. But aye, it's everyone else's fault that we don't create.

 

Cisse offers a far greater work rate for his team than Ba ever did.

 

No doubt about that.

[Unbelievable]

I don't think of Ba as a particularly lazy player at all. Not much in it iyam.

[Jimburst]

On this topic I am pretty much in agreement with you TCD, but can you not just let it rest for even one day, especially when he's been more effective in recent weeks than for months before? You really are like a broken record sometimes..

 

What else am I to do, work on a Monday morning?

 

But you're right. I make the same points x10 every day and only a few seem to understand.

 

 

:lol: You seem to think you're making points that are somehow beyond the mental capacity of the people you are arguing with. It's actually that people don't agree with you, how strange?

 

You're not right, it's an opinion. Others have them too, and it appears most don't agree with yours.

[NG32]

His finishing was s**** yesterday, but I thought he played well apart from that. Not just the assist, his link up play was good all afternoon.

 

He made two wrong decisions yesterday but because he hasnt hit the hieghts of last season he is being massively scrutinised on here and has no leeway whatsoever.  Has been pushed out on the right, asked to help cover a FB, given little service and still managed to win us a couple of games with winners.

 

Yep, that's the long and short of it really. How many times have we seen Cisse played in behind a defence this season for example?

 

Very little and when he has, he has teken those chances.

[colinmk]

His finishing was s**** yesterday, but I thought he played well apart from that. Not just the assist, his link up play was good all afternoon.

 

He made two wrong decisions yesterday but because he hasnt hit the hieghts of last season he is being massively scrutinised on here and has no leeway whatsoever.  Has been pushed out on the right, asked to help cover a FB, given little service and still managed to win us a couple of games with winners.

 

Yep, that's the long and short of it really. How many times have we seen Cisse played in behind a defence this season for example?

 

Very little and when he has, he has teken those chances.

 

I think off the top of my shite memory I can remember one taken and one missed, can't remember who against though. 

[Wilson]

I don't think of Ba as a particularly lazy player at all. Not much in it iyam.

 

He is a lazy bastard like, look at all the time he spends sitting on his arse.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hanshithispantz]

It was an excellent pass, but it's hardly like he laid it on a plate for Santon. In fact, Santon did very well to finish it from near enough the same position Cisse hastily ballooned his shot from a few minutes earlier.

Such an agenda, man.

 

It was a fantastic ball and a fantastic run and finish from Santon. Why can't you just leave it at that?

[Mole_Toonfan]

Dropout obviously loves a highlights player. He'll crucify Cisse's link-up play and no doubt bang on about Benteke being superior, and yet...

 

Benteke's average pass accuracy this season 64.8%, Cisse's 73.9%.

 

Since Villa, Cisse's PA has risen to 76.2% from an average of 23.1 passes per game. Compare that to some different strikers:

RVP - 80.2% (from 26.8 per game).

Giroud - 60.4% (20 PG)

Michu - 77.7% (33 PG)

 

Comparing him to some 'poachers' - Defoe only makes 14 passes per game on average, with 85% finding their man, Bent is 67.8% from 12

 

Not bad for a poacher that apparently can't get involved and contributes nothing to our play, doesn't seem too far off these 'real' footballers.

 

 

 

[Nobody]

And as we all know, pass completion rates "tells the whole story"

[TheHoob]

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[The College Dropout]

Dropout obviously loves a highlights player. He'll crucify Cisse's link-up play and no doubt bang on about Benteke being superior, and yet...

 

Benteke's average pass accuracy this season 64.8%, Cisse's 73.9%.

 

Since Villa, Cisse's PA has risen to 76.2% from an average of 23.1 passes per game. Compare that to some different strikers:

RVP - 80.2% (from 26.8 per game).

Giroud - 60.4% (20 PG)

Michu - 77.7% (33 PG)

 

Comparing him to some 'poachers' - Defoe only makes 14 passes per game on average, with 85% finding their man, Bent is 67.8% from 12

 

Not bad for a poacher that apparently can't get involved and contributes nothing to our play, doesn't seem too far off these 'real' footballers.

 

yeah, you can make things up if you like.

 

I said i'd like a Benteke type. Big, strong and fast. Can run in behind but also hold it up/flick-ons.

 

According to stats, Benteke would be something like twice the finisher of Cisse right?

 

I notice Giroud's passing is seemingly the worst and that can't be true. I'm sure those stats include headed passes attempts from flick-ons etc. The big lads have considerably worse pass retention apparently.

 

[Ryan_Taylor]

Can we just have one thread, call it the 'Everything is shit again thread' and bump it after every loss. Its too hard to keep up with the negativity when its spread between the Cisse, Pardew, Mike Ashley and Match day threads

[The College Dropout]

Hilarious thing is, the general mood of the Siss thread is about everything I mentioned last week. A lack of patience leading to poor ball retention.

 

 

But of course, I must have an agenda.

[pi_D]

Can we just have one thread, call it the 'Everything is s*** again thread' and bump it after every loss. Its too hard to keep up with the negativity when its spread between the Cisse, Pardew, Mike Ashley and Match day threads

 

[Gallowgate Toon]

Dropout obviously loves a highlights player. He'll crucify Cisse's link-up play and no doubt bang on about Benteke being superior, and yet...

 

Benteke's average pass accuracy this season 64.8%, Cisse's 73.9%.

 

Since Villa, Cisse's PA has risen to 76.2% from an average of 23.1 passes per game. Compare that to some different strikers:

RVP - 80.2% (from 26.8 per game).

Giroud - 60.4% (20 PG)

Michu - 77.7% (33 PG)

 

Comparing him to some 'poachers' - Defoe only makes 14 passes per game on average, with 85% finding their man, Bent is 67.8% from 12

 

Not bad for a poacher that apparently can't get involved and contributes nothing to our play, doesn't seem too far off these 'real' footballers.

 

yeah, you can make things up if you like.

 

I said i'd like a Benteke type. Big, strong and fast. Can run in behind but also hold it up/flick-ons.

 

According to stats, Benteke would be something like twice the finisher of Cisse right?

 

I notice Giroud's passing is seemingly the worst. I think those stats include headed passes attempts from flick-ons etc. The big lads have considerably worse pass retention.

 

What's made up? You said he was better...

 

I'd have Benteke. At 21, he's a better all-rounder and prospect.

 

Considering Benteke actually has a very similar conversion rate to Cisse this year, taking nearly twice as many shots per game, it would appear they're fairly level in that regard, one has simply had more opportunities than the other this season.

 

Your last point might have been valid, if we weren't the biggest users of the long ball in the league. You don't think Cisse's not had the ball belted at him at head height a fair bit this year?

 

You said Cisse didn't contribute enough, or to any effect, yet he finds a team mate 3 times out of 4 and is just involved in matches just as much as Van Persie. He's not just some poacher with no ability man.

[Guest icemanblue]

Can we just have one thread, call it the 'Everything is shit again thread' and bump it after every loss. Its too hard to keep up with the negativity when its spread between the Cisse, Pardew, Mike Ashley and Match day threads

 

[The College Dropout]

Dropout obviously loves a highlights player. He'll crucify Cisse's link-up play and no doubt bang on about Benteke being superior, and yet...

 

Benteke's average pass accuracy this season 64.8%, Cisse's 73.9%.

 

Since Villa, Cisse's PA has risen to 76.2% from an average of 23.1 passes per game. Compare that to some different strikers:

RVP - 80.2% (from 26.8 per game).

Giroud - 60.4% (20 PG)

Michu - 77.7% (33 PG)

 

Comparing him to some 'poachers' - Defoe only makes 14 passes per game on average, with 85% finding their man, Bent is 67.8% from 12

 

Not bad for a poacher that apparently can't get involved and contributes nothing to our play, doesn't seem too far off these 'real' footballers.

 

yeah, you can make things up if you like.

 

I said i'd like a Benteke type. Big, strong and fast. Can run in behind but also hold it up/flick-ons.

 

According to stats, Benteke would be something like twice the finisher of Cisse right?

 

I notice Giroud's passing is seemingly the worst. I think those stats include headed passes attempts from flick-ons etc. The big lads have considerably worse pass retention.

 

What's made up? You said he was better...

 

I'd have Benteke. At 21, he's a better all-rounder and prospect.

 

Considering Benteke actually has a very similar conversion rate to Cisse this year, taking nearly twice as many shots per game, it would appear they're fairly level in that regard, one has simply had more opportunities than the other this season.

 

Your last point might have been valid, if we weren't the biggest users of the long ball in the league. You don't think Cisse's not had the ball belted at him at head height a fair bit this year?

 

You said Cisse didn't contribute enough, or to any effect, yet he finds a team mate 3 times out of 4 and is just involved in matches just as much as Van Persie. He's not just some poacher with no ability man.

 

He's 5 years younger, can challenge in the air and is pretty quick and strong. Damn right i'd have him here over Cisse. He's not a better player now but in 5 years? Just as an athlete, the potential is serious. I'd have Aguero over RVP but he's not the better player.

 

According to ESPN Cisse has 60 shots and 7 goals 8.5%. Benteke 6.69%. That's a decent gap man. I domn't know where you're getting your stats from.

 

Once again, Bullshit on the chance creation thing. We've scored way more goals than Villa, yet they create more chances? Bullshit. Secondly, strikers contribute to chance creation greatly. Things like pace, power, movement help strikers create chances. Suarez creates loads for himself through pace, skill and harrying defenders. Drogba's strength got him a load of chances. Crouch scores headers most others can't due to height. You understand? If you're not fast, nor strong, nor good in the air, nor skillful, guess what? You'll struggle to get on the end of possible chances.

 

 

Cisse plain old doesn't win the headers. We both know this. They don't detract from his total because he doesn't win them. From the Villa game, Benteke won loads in the air but nobody was close.

 

You've watched Cisse all season man. You can't tell me his allround game is comparable to Robin Van Persie. The movement to drag opposition players for your team mate to take advantage of, the understanding he has with Rooney. How often do you say, "Cisse didn't score but he's been excellent?" Doesn't happen often at all.

[Dave]

Can we just have one thread, call it the 'Everything is shit again thread' and bump it after every loss. Its too hard to keep up with the negativity when its spread between the Cisse, Pardew, Mike Ashley and Match day threads

 

There already is one, it's called Relegationometer or similar.