midds Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 The comparison to Terry's ban for racism is ridiculous. One of the bans was way out of proportion and it isn't Cisse's, all of the criticism should be directed at the FA for only banning him for 4 games, that's the joke ban. Cisse can't really complain, it's abhorrent. I disagree and I don't see how it's ridiculous. It highlights the stupidity of their decision making which is the point. You think 7 games for spitting is fine, I reckon it's fucking idiotic. That's why it's ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 El hadji diouf was banned for spitting years ago but fuck knows how long he got. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Proper 'who hates spitting the most?' in here like. We get it, nee one likes spitting, it doesn't mean that 7 games is warranted when John Terry's calling people 'fucking black cunts' and getting 4 games, does it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 It's a weird one. I'm completely opposed to the idea of banning players tbh, I think it's pointless in most circumstances. Pointless? It's a punishment. I suppose what I'm saying is it's a shit form of punishment, in most case anyway. Would you advocate getting rid of suspensions altogether, in favour of (presumably) bigger fines? For the most part aye, I'm not really sure how far I'd go like but it would be a massive reduction from what it is, where we have a ridiculous tier system leading to things like this. I'd keep them for certain things, racism, extreme violence, reckless and dangerous challenges etc. 5 yellow cards and you miss a game type of stuff though definitely needs to go imo. If you're looking to improve the behaviour/conduct of the players on the park then the only punishment that's going to work would be losing points. Your club "can't control it's players"? no problem, lose 3 points. Your captain bites someone? no problem, lose 5 points. Your players have dived 3 times? no problem, lose 2 points. Guarantee that all of the above would stop if the potential punishment hurt the club in the league table. Behaviour and conduct of the players would improve overnight. I think that would be fairer overall to the league if it was implemented properly, aye. As I say my major problem is certain clubs being effected more by the current system than others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I'm in favour of lengthy bans for spitting but this isn't a typical spitting incident. Far from it, in fact. It wasn't Cisse who introduced spitting into the confrontation, for one. Two, he's acting under extreme duress when he spits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Cisse is certainly guilty for reacting like he always does, OTT and very snide Eh, isn't the elbow earlier on this season the first time he's acted like anything other than an absolute saint since he arrived at NUFC? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gino14 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I'm in favour of lengthy bans for spitting but this isn't a typical spitting incident. Far from it, in fact. It wasn't Cisse who introduced spitting into the confrontation, for one. Two, he's acting under extreme duress when he spits. And watch Evans walk away from it free with a loose claim about spitting at the floor and the FA saying they can't disprove it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 It's stupid as fuck, the rule, that it's 6 games for spitting. I'm sorry that punishment in no way justifies the offense by either player. Racism, fighting, a tackle that breaks bones, far more fucking impactful on the game, a person, their health than some saliva hurled in the heat of anger by 2 idiots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 It's a weird one. I'm completely opposed to the idea of banning players tbh, I think it's pointless in most circumstances. Pointless? It's a punishment. I suppose what I'm saying is it's a shit form of punishment, in most case anyway. Would you advocate getting rid of suspensions altogether, in favour of (presumably) bigger fines? For the most part aye, I'm not really sure how far I'd go like but it would be a massive reduction from what it is, where we have a ridiculous tier system leading to things like this. I'd keep them for certain things, racism, extreme violence, reckless and dangerous challenges etc. 5 yellow cards and you miss a game type of stuff though definitely needs to go imo. If you're looking to improve the behaviour/conduct of the players on the park then the only punishment that's going to work would be losing points. Your club "can't control it's players"? no problem, lose 3 points. Your captain bites someone? no problem, lose 5 points. Your players have dived 3 times? no problem, lose 2 points. Guarantee that all of the above would stop if the potential punishment hurt the club in the league table. Behaviour and conduct of the players would improve overnight. I think that would be fairer overall to the league if it was implemented properly, aye. As I say my major problem is certain clubs being effected more by the current system than others. Big, rich clubs losing a player for 3 games is neither here nor there. They've got the largest/best squads in the country so banning an individual players for something he's done during a game doesn't hinder the club at all. The simply bring in another international for a couple of weeks. Fining millionaires isn't going to be a deterrent either. Until the FA look at punishing the club in the league via points deductions because of the conduct of it's players then we'll continue to see these arseholes act like cunts week after week after week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I'm in favour of lengthy bans for spitting but this isn't a typical spitting incident. Far from it, in fact. It wasn't Cisse who introduced spitting into the confrontation, for one. Two, he's acting under extreme duress when he spits. Aye, whether Cisse was spat at or not, he clearly thought he was. Of course he shouldn't have spat back, but 'spitting back' is clearly different than just spitting at someone. No doubt it should be punished, but for it to be 3 games more than a recent racism ban sends a terrible message. I just never considered it'd be one of those special lengthy bans. 7 games! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Fining millionaires isn't going to be a deterrent either. Until the FA look at punishing the club in the league via points deductions because of the conduct of it's players then we'll continue to see these arseholes act like cunts week after week after week. See what you're saying midds but that'd be very dangerous given the favouritism we see towards certain clubs, fuelled by media campaigns. Unless you can guarantee complete objectivity, it's going to be the same thing happening with potentially even more dodgy consequences. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I'm really shocked at the length of the ban and how the club hasn't even tried to contest it. It will be interesting to see how they deal with Evans given he is denying the charge despite blatantly spitting on him first. I'd have probably judged anything over 3 as harsh. It's an awful thing to do but 7 games seems mighty excessive. Cisse must have been desperate to get out of a few games, It's record time for accepting a charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Fining millionaires isn't going to be a deterrent either. Until the FA look at punishing the club in the league via points deductions because of the conduct of it's players then we'll continue to see these arseholes act like cunts week after week after week. See what you're saying midds but that'd be very dangerous given the favouritism we see towards certain clubs, fuelled by media campaigns. That's not something you or I have got any control over though. You'd be relying on the FA looking at games impartially and applying the same set of sanctions to all clubs without bias. I accept that would be an issue but if the mere threat of points deductions is hanging over them then they would be far less likely to go on the way they do imo. I take your point about the media like, they're manipulative scum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevo Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 IMO the only way you can stop players from doing stupid things like this, is bring in massive fines. If you're on thousands a week why would you care about missing a month Or two of football? Lose a big % of your wage, whether that be monthly, annually or whatever, you would think twice about being a horrid arsehole. In this case, it doesn't really bother me. What a prick and he deserves all he got. Spitting is horrific, even worse than him uppercutting Evans to the deck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 You can't stop people doing this no matter what, nobody is thinking of the penalty when they react on instinct like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Proper 'who hates spitting the most?' in here like. We get it, nee one likes spitting, it doesn't mean that 7 games is warranted when John Terry's calling people 'fucking black cunts' and getting 4 games, does it? this is my major problem, I have absolutely 0 issue with Cisse getting a ban but frankly it seems stupidly over the top to me, yes spitting is rather disgusting but ultimately it hurts no one, does no serious damage to anything but ego but it gets automatically twice the ban violent conduct does? Gets more than being a fucking racist which is a far more serious issue than some saliva. Whomever decided this rule has seriously skewed priorities Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Evans really needs about 10 games to make this fair, and he's mounted a frivolous appeal as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Evans really needs about 10 games to make this fair, and he's mounted a frivolous appeal as well. as if the FA has the fucking balls to do that to a man utd player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Surely denying it should lead to a lengthier ban? Isn't remorse one of the main factors where punishments are handed out in the real world? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Surely denying it should lead to a lengthier ban? Isn't remorse one of the main factors where punishments are handed out in the real world? real world yes but in the FIFA world admitting guilt is a bad thing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Aye, whether Cisse was spat at or not, he clearly thought he was. Of course he shouldn't have spat back, but 'spitting back' is clearly different than just spitting at someone. No doubt it should be punished, but for it to be 3 games more than a recent racism ban sends a terrible message. I just never considered it'd be one of those special lengthy bans. 7 games! It really is pathetic how spitting is seen as being worse than racism, that's the message that's gone out tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Regardless of how many matches it ends up being (and I agree that 6-7 is ott), it'll be his second entirely avoidable suspension this season. Leaves us with Ayoze, Riviere, and Armstrong, all of 5 league goals between them (all belonging to Ayoze), as the sum total of our striking options (seeing as Gouffran doesn't exist as a striker in Carver's eyes and Ferreyra doesn't exist at all). The more time Cisse misses, the better. Safety seems almost assured, just go on a nice streak of even more s*** than usual to force their f***ing hands re: an actual manager. My worry about that is that it will give them an excuse to say he was working in difficult circumstances with an understrength squad due to injuries and suspensions so that he cannot be judged fairly. this can literally be spun any way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Well deserved. Disgusting thing to do and have absolutely no time for retards who do that. Atleast he had the brains to admit it. Evans is an even bigger cunt for denying it. And anyone who says its a reaction...what kind of person has that as an reaction to anything? I'd rather see him throwing a punch than spitting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Just watched the clip, utterly bizarre behaviour from Evans like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 If the ref had seen it and given him a red card I believe he'd have got a four game ban, so why the extra three? 6 game ban for spitting is Fifa worldwide mandated sanction for spitting offences, +1 for being a dick previously. Ah right, thought it was just a straight red and normal ban. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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