sunderland

[Jack Flash]

Miliband didn't help Di Canio or sunderland at all with his face saving publicity stunt. It'd have nowhere near the amount of attention without that happening.

[David Icke - Son of God]

I don't think this would have been all over the national news without the David Milliband thing FWIW.

 

It wouldn't. That's why it became a story.

[Guest neesy111]

This is all distracting from what is a shocking decision football wise imo.

[Disco]

Definitely, made himself look very good though like the professional politician & very clever man he is (despite him no longer being involved).

 

[/magolitics]

[Thespence]

Miliband didn't help Di Canio or sunderland at all with his face saving publicity stunt. It'd have nowhere near the amount of attention without that happening.

 

Miliband was the headline act but twitter was already in full flow and twitter is one the main drivers of a news story.

[themanupstairs]

Miliband didn't help Di Canio or sunderland at all with his face saving publicity stunt. It'd have nowhere near the amount of attention without that happening.

 

Absolutely. Wasn't he offski stateside anyway? Expertly shit stirred and served to the media on a silver platter.

[Flip]

I understand some people will be making a big deal out of Di Canio's appointment because they want their 5 minutes in the media, but for others of us this is actually a big deal.

 

Say what you want, but the last thing I want is something to 'cry about' - nor am I a raging lefty.

 

I am going to terminate my season ticket until he leaves, and will return once he leaves I will give the club my money.

 

I understand why for many of you it doesn't matter what his ideology is; and that to you you see football and politics as separate etc. but I just can't.

 

I absolutely believe he has the right to whatever political opinion he wants - but having some political opinions make you unfit for certain jobs.

 

Do you agree with the fact it would be inappropriate for someone who believes in abolishing the age of consent to teach kids?

 

Do you agree with the fact it's right that BNP members can't serve in the police force, as being a national socialist may prevent you from doing your job properly?

 

Personally I believe it's also completely inappropriate that a club which takes a strong anti-racism platform and should be open to all in the community to appoint a fascist as our manager.

 

However it's not even just that he's a fascist - he's chosen to introduce it into his football. He chose to perform nazi salutes - twice - once against Lazio's fiercest rivals with traditionally Jewish support and once against a club with left wing support. That salute was used by those who killed Jews and who killed leftists.

 

Regarding fascism - I think some of you need to research on what it means. The fascism he is talking about re. Mussolini is not somehow a 'light' fascism that's actually about just being nationalistic. It's about the government controlling every aspect of citizens lives - the term totalitarian was invented under fascist Italy. Mussolini himself said their was no such thing as a private sphere. Fundamental to this belief was that certain races, or groups, are better than others. Mussolini killed 10's of thousands in Africa in brutal & oppressive wars that were purely for the conquest of land and Mussolini personally oversaw the movement of thousands of Jews from Italy to Hitler so they could be executed in concentration camps. He took over the country by force and oppressed political dissent.

 

There are many children alive today who have no idea who their parents/ grandparents are and it's because of Mussolini.

 

You can't be an Italian fascist and not be racist in one form or another. You can't have researched Mussolini, chosen to have a tattoo of him on you and not sympathise with some of the genocide he committed- it's simply too much of a defining feature of what he was.

 

Regarding the 'worked with black players' 'they're my friends' all I would say is that many, many racist people associate with people of other races (it baffles me too; but it's true). Simply saying 'I have black mates' doesn't really do it. I would also observe at Swindon he was investigated for racism and while the FA did nothing Swindon felt it necessary to apologise to the player involved.

 

 

Overall I completely respect those fans who choose to keep going but for me unfortunately it's a very sore point and the reason I'm posting this is because I want to make clear many of us who are upset about this aren't going on the TV or papers and aren't making a fuss for the hell of it we are genuinely very upset about this and feel like there has been a betrayal of some higher principle which is more important than success on the field.

 

Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=771017&page=22#ixzz2PFPuWxqc

 

Decency still exists on the SMB.

That's a cracking post, has to be the best post ever made on there.

 

Don't agree. People seriously needs to separate football from politics. FWIW I think Di Canio should have a look at himself if he supports the belief and firm stance that Benito Mussolini apparently had... The opportunist that he was and the left-wing to right-wing switch is really a firm stand. The man clearly knows nothing about his supposed beliefs and should have a look into history books.

 

We seriously need to thrive for football free from politics, it's beyond ridiculous at times. Di Canio is an ignorant person, but I can bet my house that this man will be as happy as ever if Di Canio wins them a trophy ( won't happen ).

 

I'd also like to thank Cajun and TT for getting me to see the great enjoyment that this is.

 

Di Canio was the one that brought his political beliefs into football, not the other way round.  His actions while at Lazio were a disgrace and he was rightly banned for bringing the game into disrepute.

 

Also you can't sperate politics from most things in life, football isn't a exception.

 

First of all, him bringing it in or not, my point is that people is caring more about his political views than his managerial abilities.

 

As for separating politics from most things in life you've must never have played any sports. When you walk into the pitch, you don't care if the other man is a socialist sympathizer or a right-wing extremist. All you care about is winning. That's what sports is about, it's entertainment. Would you refuse to watch a movie if the director said he had fascist views? Sports is entertainment, deal with it. I understand that it's hard to separate politics from most things in life, I'm just saying that people should thrive for it. Obviously that would only happen in an ideal world.

 

Eh? Football and politics are intrinsically linked.

 

It really shouldn't though. Football is about entertainment, enjoyment, it's not about politics.

 

Why shouldn't it be? Politics is a major part of the games history. Club's represent people and places, they're naturally going to take on a political identity too. That's what makes the game great. If you don't like it I suggest you stick to the MLS.

 

Maybe that's how it all started. But that's a long time ago now. It's a global sport now. You have kids from all over the world growing up to support teams half way across the world without having a clue what the politics behind the club originally were.

The global nature of the sport has not eradicated the political side of the game. Ask the fans of Barca, Real, Liverpool, Bilbao, St Pauli, Marseille, Livorno, Lazio, AEK, Olympiakos, Celtic, Rangers etc. if they don't care about their club's politics.

 

It's like I said though, it's a different form of politics, obviously every fan cares about the way the club is ran.

[David Icke - Son of God]

Miliband didn't help Di Canio or sunderland at all with his face saving publicity stunt. It'd have nowhere near the amount of attention without that happening.

 

To be fair to Miliband he could kiss what remained of his political career goodbye if he didn't resign. There's no way he could've spoken with any authority as an ex-Labour MP if he sat quietly while the club he was vice chairman of appointed a self-confessed fascist. He had no where else to go.

[Flip]

This is all distracting from what is a shocking decision football wise imo.

 

 

It really is though isn't it Can't find figures but is it true that he spent over £10m on players at Swindon?

[Interpolic]

As brummie says Miliband had no choice but to pack in his role on the mackems board as soon as heard about this, so not sure what people are on about there either.

[Guest neesy111]

Is anyone questioning Miliband's motives over him resigning?  He was completely within his rights to do so imo.

[David Icke - Son of God]

Miliband didn't help Di Canio or sunderland at all with his face saving publicity stunt. It'd have nowhere near the amount of attention without that happening.

 

Absolutely. Wasn't he offski stateside anyway? Expertly shit stirred and served to the media on a silver platter.

 

Until 24 hours ago he was remaining in his role at Sunderland. USA or not he wasn't going to jack in a job that paid £125k for a fortnight of work.

[Jack Flash]

Miliband didn't help Di Canio or sunderland at all with his face saving publicity stunt. It'd have nowhere near the amount of attention without that happening.

 

Miliband was the headline act but twitter was already in full flow and twitter is one the main drivers of a news story.

 

That's just the equivalent of 606 on the radio. These things become big stories then die out after a few days when something else happens (Haidara/McManaman being a good example).

[Guest neesy111]

This is all distracting from what is a shocking decision football wise imo.

 

 

It really is though isn't it Can't find figures but is it true that he spent over £10m on players at Swindon?

 

I don't know a figure but he did spend a lot.  One of his ex-chairman said his management style was car crash management.

[themanupstairs]

This is all distracting from what is a shocking decision football wise imo.

 

Good or bad, only time will tell. It certainly was a massive massive gamble, but if I were them I would have much rather tried an unknown than any of the merry-go-round band of boring rejects.

[Cajun]

At the end of the day, unfortunately, this media circus will cause opposition clubs' fans to sing back at Di Canio, which the mackems will have to counter, and it could possibly lead to some bans, investigations, and possibly some ugly scenes. It's completely needless, and once again, totally irresponsible by the media. Par for the course really.

 

Also, this argument that Swindon aren't in the limelight isn't good enough. They're not exactly a pub side, and featured in some big televised cup games this season. Where was the condemnation then?

 

Because we regularly hear about league one sides?

 

I have already posted one article about his behaviour there so it obviously got some attention, plus there is a another video which certainly didn't escape the media where he fell out with a player and was reported to assault him.

 

A premier league club is however going to get a hell of a lot more attention. Not sure why this is a shock to anyone

 

It isn's a shock to anyone as much as it seems to have been a shock to the national media. A reaction I find absolutely hilarious/irresponsible/hypocritical by them.

 

Massively agree with this btw. It's almost if everyone is suddenly worried the PL brand is going to be ruined when it should never have got to this stage in the first place.

 

 

Isn't that just the way it is though?

 

How often do we hear about events in the 4th tier of Spanish, Italian or German football? I am sure there are a few fairly big events in the lower leagues this season that we haven't heard about because it just doesn't get the headlines.

[Jack Flash]

Miliband didn't help Di Canio or sunderland at all with his face saving publicity stunt. It'd have nowhere near the amount of attention without that happening.

 

To be fair to Miliband he could kiss what remained of his political career goodbye if he didn't resign. There's no way he could've spoken with any authority as an ex-Labour MP if he sat quietly while the club he was vice chairman of appointed a self-confessed fascist. He had no where else to go.

 

I agree. Just looks like he dropped them right in it for self serving reasons when he could have done it privately and with little fuss.

[themanupstairs]

Miliband didn't help Di Canio or sunderland at all with his face saving publicity stunt. It'd have nowhere near the amount of attention without that happening.

 

Absolutely. Wasn't he offski stateside anyway? Expertly s*** stirred and served to the media on a silver platter.

 

Until 24 hours ago he was remaining in his role at Sunderland. USA or not he wasn't going to jack in a job that paid £125k for a fortnight of work.

 

Hadn't realized it was that significant of a role. I thought it was more a ceremonial one. Fair play to him then.

[BlueStar]

The Depache Mode chant of "Racist Bastard" we regaled Suarez with is easily modified into "Fascist Bastard".

[Flip]

This is all distracting from what is a shocking decision football wise imo.

 

 

It really is though isn't it Can't find figures but is it true that he spent over £10m on players at Swindon?

 

I don't know a figure but he did spend a lot.  One of his ex-chairman said his management style was car crash management.

 

Anyone else see his treatment of Wes Foderingham? Harsh on a 20 year old kid

[Flip]

The Depache Mode chant of "Racist b******" we regaled Suarez with is easily modified into "Fascist b******".

 

 

I just hope he fails massively, imagine that club Oh god, please let them be relegated. Let us beat them a la 5-1 at home couple of years back.

[Unbelievable]

What amazes me about some of the reactions is how casual some people are about fascism, as if it's a thing of the past that is deserving of mockery at the most, something that is completely harmless in today's society. It isn't, far from it, and the current economic crisis is the perfect breeding ground for movements like fascism to come to the fore again. What the flying fuck were SAFC thinking opening this can of worms, and that's before you even get to his football management credentials, experience with relegation fights and at the highest level and lack of connection to their club?

[themanupstairs]

Miliband didn't help Di Canio or sunderland at all with his face saving publicity stunt. It'd have nowhere near the amount of attention without that happening.

 

To be fair to Miliband he could kiss what remained of his political career goodbye if he didn't resign. There's no way he could've spoken with any authority as an ex-Labour MP if he sat quietly while the club he was vice chairman of appointed a self-confessed fascist. He had no where else to go.

 

I agree. Just looks like he dropped them right in it for self serving reasons when he could have done it privately and with little fuss.

 

is what I meant by shit stirred and handed to the media to do their best

[David Icke - Son of God]

Miliband didn't help Di Canio or sunderland at all with his face saving publicity stunt. It'd have nowhere near the amount of attention without that happening.

 

To be fair to Miliband he could kiss what remained of his political career goodbye if he didn't resign. There's no way he could've spoken with any authority as an ex-Labour MP if he sat quietly while the club he was vice chairman of appointed a self-confessed fascist. He had no where else to go.

 

I agree. Just looks like he dropped them right in it for self serving reasons when he could have done it privately and with little fuss.

 

How private does he need to be? He's got to make a statement to clarify his position. He was well within his rights IMO and while I don't like the bloke to suggest he's been self serving is a bit stupid. Surely it would've been a lot more self serving if he remained in his role, fucked his principles and collected his £125k?

[Thespence]

Martin Samuel wrote this about Di Canio when he was linked with the WHU job

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2281313/Paolo-Di-Canio-high-maintenance-Premier-League--Martin-Samuel.html