Beren Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Should have made Danny Simpson fucking walk home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 We certainly didn't set out to play long ball last night, but the pressure Arsenal put us under in the 2nd half saw us panic I think. First half I thought we were good (except for Santon and Jonas). We passed it around quite nicely, as we did in the first 10 mins of the 2nd half, but then we panicked when Arsenal put us under more pressure. Don't know whether to blame Pardew for the last 30 mins or not. The players need to take some criticism for resorting to hitting it long as well. Certainly don't think it was a "hoof ball" performance though, but I agree we need to hold our nerve and pass it around a bit more. This is the thing though mate, when you spend your entire season training the players to play one way, just because you would like to play a different way for one or two games doesn't mean the team's gonna be able to do it. You could see last night that the players are so used to just lobbing it forwards and staying in formation that they looked frightened in possession and none of them were moving for each other. These are good footballers I'm talking about as well, Cabaye, Jonas, Tiote, they all look bloody hopeless on the ball. Occasionally football will 'break out' of it's own accord when an opposition player gets dragged out of place or we play a quick one two, but watch us when we have comfortable possession in the middle of the pitch, we're fucking clueless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I'm still absolutely livid this morning like, spitting feathers. Should have made Danny Simpson fucking walk home. Glad someone else feels like this. I'm still absolutely fuming. Spoiled my entire fucking night last night. Fuck off Arsenal/Simpson/Williamson/Webb. Seriously though, it was suicide not buying a defender in January. I just hope to fuck Carr's been put on the case for the summer. We need at least one full back and one centreback. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 We certainly didn't set out to play long ball last night, but the pressure Arsenal put us under in the 2nd half saw us panic I think. First half I thought we were good (except for Santon and Jonas). We passed it around quite nicely, as we did in the first 10 mins of the 2nd half, but then we panicked when Arsenal put us under more pressure. Don't know whether to blame Pardew for the last 30 mins or not. The players need to take some criticism for resorting to hitting it long as well. Certainly don't think it was a "hoof ball" performance though, but I agree we need to hold our nerve and pass it around a bit more. This is the thing though mate, when you spend your entire season training the players to play one way, just because you would like to play a different way for one or two games doesn't mean the team's gonna be able to do it. You could see last night that the players are so used to just lobbing it forwards and staying in formation that they looked frightened in possession and none of them were moving for each other. These are good footballers I'm talking about as well, Cabaye, Jonas, Tiote, they all look bloody hopeless on the ball. Occasionally football will 'break out' of it's own accord when an opposition player gets dragged out of place or we play a quick one two, but watch us when we have comfortable possession in the middle of the pitch, we're f***ing clueless. I don't see it that way at all man, sorry. I've seen us play good football on plenty of occasions this season, but I agree the last couple of months we seem to have gotten scared somehow, and Pardew / the players seem to have lost a bit of confidence in us playing passing football. But I've seen it enough from us this season to suggest we can do it, and do it well. The long ball stuff we are resorting to at times at the minute is frustrating but not fully representative of what we / Pardew can and have done. I guess what I'm trying to say is, no one will convince me that in the last 30 minutes yesterday Pardew actually instructed the players to hit it long. I think it was a mixture of the players feeling the pressure, and naturally dropping deeper to try to soak it up. Granted a few games over the last few months have seen us play that tactic, but I don't believe that's what we were trying to do at all yesterday... more that we just got sucked into it as the game wore on. The last 30? What about the previous 40 before that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 We certainly didn't set out to play long ball last night, but the pressure Arsenal put us under in the 2nd half saw us panic I think. First half I thought we were good (except for Santon and Jonas). We passed it around quite nicely, as we did in the first 10 mins of the 2nd half, but then we panicked when Arsenal put us under more pressure. Don't know whether to blame Pardew for the last 30 mins or not. The players need to take some criticism for resorting to hitting it long as well. Certainly don't think it was a "hoof ball" performance though, but I agree we need to hold our nerve and pass it around a bit more. This is the thing though mate, when you spend your entire season training the players to play one way, just because you would like to play a different way for one or two games doesn't mean the team's gonna be able to do it. You could see last night that the players are so used to just lobbing it forwards and staying in formation that they looked frightened in possession and none of them were moving for each other. These are good footballers I'm talking about as well, Cabaye, Jonas, Tiote, they all look bloody hopeless on the ball. Occasionally football will 'break out' of it's own accord when an opposition player gets dragged out of place or we play a quick one two, but watch us when we have comfortable possession in the middle of the pitch, we're f***ing clueless. I don't see it that way at all man, sorry. I've seen us play good football on plenty of occasions this season, but I agree the last couple of months we seem to have gotten scared somehow, and Pardew / the players seem to have lost a bit of confidence in us playing passing football. But I've seen it enough from us this season to suggest we can do it, and do it well. The long ball stuff we are resorting to at times at the minute is frustrating but not fully representative of what we / Pardew can and have done. I guess what I'm trying to say is, no one will convince me that in the last 30 minutes yesterday Pardew actually instructed the players to hit it long. I think it was a mixture of the players feeling the pressure, and naturally dropping deeper to try to soak it up. Granted a few games over the last few months have seen us play that tactic, but I don't believe that's what we were trying to do at all yesterday... more that we just got sucked into it as the game wore on. The last 30? What about the previous 40 before that? What about it? I certainly wouldn't call it hoof ball. We played some nice stuff in the first half at times. I'd say the first 20/25 minutes we had it down and played, as soon as they scored it all changed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Not read the thread and don't know how much of what went on was picked up by TV but RvP can fuck off, horrible little cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachikoma Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 We certainly didn't set out to play long ball last night, but the pressure Arsenal put us under in the 2nd half saw us panic I think. First half I thought we were good (except for Santon and Jonas). We passed it around quite nicely, as we did in the first 10 mins of the 2nd half, but then we panicked when Arsenal put us under more pressure. Don't know whether to blame Pardew for the last 30 mins or not. The players need to take some criticism for resorting to hitting it long as well. Certainly don't think it was a "hoof ball" performance though, but I agree we need to hold our nerve and pass it around a bit more. This is the thing though mate, when you spend your entire season training the players to play one way, just because you would like to play a different way for one or two games doesn't mean the team's gonna be able to do it. You could see last night that the players are so used to just lobbing it forwards and staying in formation that they looked frightened in possession and none of them were moving for each other. These are good footballers I'm talking about as well, Cabaye, Jonas, Tiote, they all look bloody hopeless on the ball. Occasionally football will 'break out' of it's own accord when an opposition player gets dragged out of place or we play a quick one two, but watch us when we have comfortable possession in the middle of the pitch, we're f***ing clueless. I don't see it that way at all man, sorry. I've seen us play good football on plenty of occasions this season, but I agree the last couple of months we seem to have gotten scared somehow, and Pardew / the players seem to have lost a bit of confidence in us playing passing football. But I've seen it enough from us this season to suggest we can do it, and do it well. The long ball stuff we are resorting to at times at the minute is frustrating but not fully representative of what we / Pardew can and have done. I guess what I'm trying to say is, no one will convince me that in the last 30 minutes yesterday Pardew actually instructed the players to hit it long. I think it was a mixture of the players feeling the pressure, and naturally dropping deeper to try to soak it up. Granted a few games over the last few months have seen us play that tactic, but I don't believe that's what we were trying to do at all yesterday... more that we just got sucked into it as the game wore on. Krul did hit it long every time he got the ball and our players rarely ever made themselves available for a short release, so I'd say it was a "tactical" decision. Shola coming on seems to back it up too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tisd09 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I was too ill to be angry last night, but that was a gutter. Not too bothered by the Van Persie thing, it was a little cunty but as someone said, if it were the other way around Krul would be a legend. Why so many players attacking with one minute left, we would have been better off Ben Arfa throwing the ball for Shola to fuck around with possibly even foul an Arsenal player right in the corner. At least it allows us to get into a bit of shape. I hope Pardew reads the riot act over that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 We certainly didn't set out to play long ball last night, but the pressure Arsenal put us under in the 2nd half saw us panic I think. First half I thought we were good (except for Santon and Jonas). We passed it around quite nicely, as we did in the first 10 mins of the 2nd half, but then we panicked when Arsenal put us under more pressure. Don't know whether to blame Pardew for the last 30 mins or not. The players need to take some criticism for resorting to hitting it long as well. Certainly don't think it was a "hoof ball" performance though, but I agree we need to hold our nerve and pass it around a bit more. This is the thing though mate, when you spend your entire season training the players to play one way, just because you would like to play a different way for one or two games doesn't mean the team's gonna be able to do it. You could see last night that the players are so used to just lobbing it forwards and staying in formation that they looked frightened in possession and none of them were moving for each other. These are good footballers I'm talking about as well, Cabaye, Jonas, Tiote, they all look bloody hopeless on the ball. Occasionally football will 'break out' of it's own accord when an opposition player gets dragged out of place or we play a quick one two, but watch us when we have comfortable possession in the middle of the pitch, we're f***ing clueless. I don't see it that way at all man, sorry. I've seen us play good football on plenty of occasions this season, but I agree the last couple of months we seem to have gotten scared somehow, and Pardew / the players seem to have lost a bit of confidence in us playing passing football. But I've seen it enough from us this season to suggest we can do it, and do it well. The long ball stuff we are resorting to at times at the minute is frustrating but not fully representative of what we / Pardew can and have done. I guess what I'm trying to say is, no one will convince me that in the last 30 minutes yesterday Pardew actually instructed the players to hit it long. I think it was a mixture of the players feeling the pressure, and naturally dropping deeper to try to soak it up. Granted a few games over the last few months have seen us play that tactic, but I don't believe that's what we were trying to do at all yesterday... more that we just got sucked into it as the game wore on. The last 30? What about the previous 40 before that? What about it? I certainly wouldn't call it hoof ball. We played some nice stuff in the first half at times. I'd say the first 20/25 minutes we had it down and played, as soon as they scored it all changed. Fair enough, I disagree. I thought barring a few moments down our left hand side, we were comfortable in possession for the vast majority of the first half (they obviously had more possession than us, but when we got it I thought we were pretty good with it), and early part of the second half. Granted we didn't do much attacking, but I thought we limited Arsenal to half chances. We did nothing 2nd half at all attacking wise, I've had a non-football fan at work (who watched the 2nd half) say that we were dreadful 2nd half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedsBlackAndWhite Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Well i'm still gutted this morning, spoilt my night and i headed straight to bed after the game but on reflection this morning i thought we done really well the 1st half ( who knows what might of happened if we kept the lead longer than 53 seconds ) and not too bad 2nd half ( whilst defending our arses off for long periods . ) Fair enough we never really threatened in the 2nd half but we dug in and defended against a good arsenal side attacking us and being around our box for large periods of time and that in itself brings in hoof ball to clear the lines, get some shape and relieve the pressure. Woeful throw in f***ed it for us but i feel sorry for Simpson as i think he had a decent game up until then. All in all i never expected to get anything last night ( before the game ) and we were very close to getting a point against a good / in form Arsenal side. 1st half we played some alright stuff and we need to focus on that and take it forward to the Norwich game. Scored 1st and let a very late goal in from a stupid mistake but there were positives to take from the game imo. Forever Optimistic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 What positives? Apart from the form of Ben Arfa I saw nothing positive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedsBlackAndWhite Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 There you go, you answered your own question. Also perch was a positive? Some of the 1st half football we played ? To name a few Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Well i'm still gutted this morning, spoilt my night and i headed straight to bed after the game but on reflection this morning i thought we done really well the 1st half ( who knows what might of happened if we kept the lead longer than 53 seconds ) and not too bad 2nd half ( whilst defending our arses off for long periods . ) Fair enough we never really threatened in the 2nd half but we dug in and defended against a good arsenal side attacking us and being around our box for large periods of time and that in itself brings in hoof ball to clear the lines, get some shape and relieve the pressure. Woeful throw in f***ed it for us but i feel sorry for Simpson as i think he had a decent game up until then. All in all i never expected to get anything last night ( before the game ) and we were very close to getting a point against a good / in form Arsenal side. 1st half we played some alright stuff and we need to focus on that and take it forward to the Norwich game. Scored 1st and let a very late goal in from a stupid mistake but there were positives to take from the game imo. Forever Optimistic Fair assessment IMO. I'm gutted still about the winner but we followed a pretty sensible gameplan and it was seconds away from working. The aim would have been to still be in the game with 20 minutes to go or whatever, and avoid a Spurs-style collapse. We managed that, we just invited a bit too much pressure and conceded due to a brain-freeze from an individual player. It's gutting, but it's too easy to go overboard with the criticism because of the nature of the defeat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedsBlackAndWhite Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Well i'm still gutted this morning, spoilt my night and i headed straight to bed after the game but on reflection this morning i thought we done really well the 1st half ( who knows what might of happened if we kept the lead longer than 53 seconds ) and not too bad 2nd half ( whilst defending our arses off for long periods . ) Fair enough we never really threatened in the 2nd half but we dug in and defended against a good arsenal side attacking us and being around our box for large periods of time and that in itself brings in hoof ball to clear the lines, get some shape and relieve the pressure. Woeful throw in f***ed it for us but i feel sorry for Simpson as i think he had a decent game up until then. All in all i never expected to get anything last night ( before the game ) and we were very close to getting a point against a good / in form Arsenal side. 1st half we played some alright stuff and we need to focus on that and take it forward to the Norwich game. Scored 1st and let a very late goal in from a stupid mistake but there were positives to take from the game imo. Forever Optimistic Fair assessment IMO. I'm gutted still about the winner but we followed a pretty sensible gameplan and it was seconds away from working. The aim would have been to still be in the game with 20 minutes to go or whatever, and avoid a Spurs-style collapse. We managed that, we just invited a bit too much pressure and conceded due to a brain-freeze from an individual player. It's gutting, but it's too easy to go overboard with the criticism because of the nature of the defeat. Agreed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Well i'm still gutted this morning, spoilt my night and i headed straight to bed after the game but on reflection this morning i thought we done really well the 1st half ( who knows what might of happened if we kept the lead longer than 53 seconds ) and not too bad 2nd half ( whilst defending our arses off for long periods . ) Fair enough we never really threatened in the 2nd half but we dug in and defended against a good arsenal side attacking us and being around our box for large periods of time and that in itself brings in hoof ball to clear the lines, get some shape and relieve the pressure. Woeful throw in f***ed it for us but i feel sorry for Simpson as i think he had a decent game up until then. All in all i never expected to get anything last night ( before the game ) and we were very close to getting a point against a good / in form Arsenal side. 1st half we played some alright stuff and we need to focus on that and take it forward to the Norwich game. Scored 1st and let a very late goal in from a stupid mistake but there were positives to take from the game imo. Forever Optimistic Fair assessment IMO. I'm gutted still about the winner but we followed a pretty sensible gameplan and it was seconds away from working. The aim would have been to still be in the game with 20 minutes to go or whatever, and avoid a Spurs-style collapse. We managed that, we just invited a bit too much pressure and conceded due to a brain-freeze from an individual player. It's gutting, but it's too easy to go overboard with the criticism because of the nature of the defeat. more to do with the nature of the board than the nature of the defeat. while i agree at times, particularly since the turn of the year, we have gone long too often it's been by no stretch the over riding tactic, go back through the games and see for yourselves but for many on here we play it long all the time and play a high line every game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Aye, I'm not saying I always agree with Pardew's approach, I just mean the plan against Arsenal would have been seen in a better light if we hadn't thrown the ball to them in the 94th minute. For me Pardew is a pragmatist more than he is negative, he just doesn't mind doing what he thinks will get the result. In this case it didn't quite work, but it wasn't far off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Did Howard the cunt add time on for Krul time wasting? When Krul was holding onto the ball it was in play, so therefore time cannot be added. This twat is meant to be a top referee, the mans a joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 You cant question the commitment of graft last night. You could see on the players faces how hard they had worked. We are just lacking some quality at the back and playing too much long ball at the moment. Simpsons throw in was suicidal though. Let's slowly improve. Not get panicky. Slow improvement. Thankful for early season form though. Defence needs a little tightening, maybe. Stevie Taylor coming back would help. Goalie's sorted for a few seasons, Santon's improvement will continue, the captains OK Midfield will, I believe get a further strengthening, forwards will get better again next year once Cisse settles (Ba was well overdue a little barren patch) The futures bright. The futures black and white. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Did Howard the cunt add time on for Krul time wasting? When Krul was holding onto the ball it was in play, so therefore time cannot be added. This twat is meant to be a top referee, the mans a joke. No idea TBH, still don't know where 5 minutes of added time came from. There were a couple of substitutions but that's about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I would not be worried about our approach yesterday if it wasn't the same approach we go into every game with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 We certainly didn't set out to play long ball last night, but the pressure Arsenal put us under in the 2nd half saw us panic I think. First half I thought we were good (except for Santon and Jonas). We passed it around quite nicely, as we did in the first 10 mins of the 2nd half, but then we panicked when Arsenal put us under more pressure. Don't know whether to blame Pardew for the last 30 mins or not. The players need to take some criticism for resorting to hitting it long as well. Certainly don't think it was a "hoof ball" performance though, but I agree we need to hold our nerve and pass it around a bit more. This is the thing though mate, when you spend your entire season training the players to play one way, just because you would like to play a different way for one or two games doesn't mean the team's gonna be able to do it. You could see last night that the players are so used to just lobbing it forwards and staying in formation that they looked frightened in possession and none of them were moving for each other. These are good footballers I'm talking about as well, Cabaye, Jonas, Tiote, they all look bloody hopeless on the ball. Occasionally football will 'break out' of it's own accord when an opposition player gets dragged out of place or we play a quick one two, but watch us when we have comfortable possession in the middle of the pitch, we're f***ing clueless. I don't see it that way at all man, sorry. I've seen us play good football on plenty of occasions this season, but I agree the last couple of months we seem to have gotten scared somehow, and Pardew / the players seem to have lost a bit of confidence in us playing passing football. But I've seen it enough from us this season to suggest we can do it, and do it well. The long ball stuff we are resorting to at times at the minute is frustrating but not fully representative of what we / Pardew can and have done. I guess what I'm trying to say is, no one will convince me that in the last 30 minutes yesterday Pardew actually instructed the players to hit it long. I think it was a mixture of the players feeling the pressure, and naturally dropping deeper to try to soak it up. Granted a few games over the last few months have seen us play that tactic, but I don't believe that's what we were trying to do at all yesterday... more that we just got sucked into it as the game wore on. Fair enough, we all see games differently, what I'm trying to say though is that it's almost irrelevant what Pardew instructed the players to do in the second half yesterday, when under pressure they'll resort to the usual game plan, hoof it. If no one will convince you that he instructed the players to do it, go back and watch games at home against Wolves, Swansea, WBA, Chelsea (where it worked for a bit) Mackems (except the second half when they had ten men) and away at Liverpool and Bolton especially. If he's asking the team to do it this much he can't just expect to decide to play football for one week and put out a team (including Obertan, ironically enough) to do so. The players have been drilled to stay in formation and hit Ba and they're doing it, he needed to re-evaluate this months ago and he hasn't, we'll get more of the same against Norwich. We're neutralising the only GOOD parts of our team with these tactics because our weak links are clearly in defending, what's the point of setting up to be hard to beat when you've got knackers like Simpson pulling shit like he did last night? Set up to attack with the likes of Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Ba and Cisse and we'll get more points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I didn't see the first half, is it worth watching or was it as turgid as that second half? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Until the goals, we looked good. In conclusion, I blame Ben Arfa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I didn't see the first half, is it worth watching or was it as turgid as that second half? We were better in the first half. Ben Arfa certainly had much more opportunities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Poor play in the corner at the end and someone should've dragged Van Persie down on halfway at the end, even if it had to be Jonas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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