Lenny Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 More faith in him coming good for us than Santon, he is used to the league and seems to be making no progress at all. Word fail me. Did you send an error report? Don't think that's too extreme an opinion by Skirge there, personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Debuchy's also much further on in his development already. They'll both be absolutely fine for us, as much as anyone can be highly rated when we're finishing mid table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I will say, for all of his defensive problems - there are things he does, attacking wise that only a handful of players in the league can do. He's actually really good at sneaking up and beating an offside trap to get free to create a chance on goal for himself. When/IF our 2 CB's are playing better or we have a better more stable partnership, Debuchy will finally be able to show his true abilities. I notice every time he puts in a good shift for France, the 2 CB's are in fine form and are sweeping up for Debuchy and Evra who are really high up the pitch. That may NEVER work for us, but I just find it worth noting -- when France did lose the ball their CB's or CM's were marking very well and Debuchy would race back and get back into position. Again, not sure he'll ever show his true worth for us when we have such an unstable CB partnership. I will counter that and say the manager should recognize how exposed we get with Debuchy acting like a RM sometimes and basically tell him he's only allowed to venture forward in certain circumstances and if Davide is pushed up on the other side, he'll have to hold his position and play defensively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I will say, for all of his defensive problems - there are things he does, attacking wise that only a handful of players in the league can do. He's actually really good at sneaking up and beating an offside trap to get free to create a chance on goal for himself. When/IF our 2 CB's are playing better or we have a better more stable partnership, Debuchy will finally be able to show his true abilities. I notice every time he puts in a good shift for France, the 2 CB's are in fine form and are sweeping up for Debuchy and Evra who are really high up the pitch. That may NEVER work for us, but I just find it worth noting -- when France did lose the ball their CB's or CM's were marking very well and Debuchy would race back and get back into position. Again, not sure he'll ever show his true worth for us when we have such an unstable CB partnership. I will counter that and say the manager should recognize how exposed we get with Debuchy acting like a RM sometimes and basically tell him he's only allowed to venture forward in certain circumstances and if Davide is pushed up on the other side, he'll have to hold his position and play defensively. I think it's one of those things where you need good clear instructions from your manager exactly what your role is and how the back four are expected to perform in tandem. With France Debuchy is obviously a lot happier in how the team sets up and plays, with us everything is a lot more disjointed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 France are as good as the Ukraine on current showing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I will say, for all of his defensive problems - there are things he does, attacking wise that only a handful of players in the league can do. He's actually really good at sneaking up and beating an offside trap to get free to create a chance on goal for himself. When/IF our 2 CB's are playing better or we have a better more stable partnership, Debuchy will finally be able to show his true abilities. I notice every time he puts in a good shift for France, the 2 CB's are in fine form and are sweeping up for Debuchy and Evra who are really high up the pitch. That may NEVER work for us, but I just find it worth noting -- when France did lose the ball their CB's or CM's were marking very well and Debuchy would race back and get back into position. Again, not sure he'll ever show his true worth for us when we have such an unstable CB partnership. I will counter that and say the manager should recognize how exposed we get with Debuchy acting like a RM sometimes and basically tell him he's only allowed to venture forward in certain circumstances and if Davide is pushed up on the other side, he'll have to hold his position and play defensively. Our massive problem with this is that we never have a proper holding player, one who drops in between the two CB's to make a three, allowing better cover if our attack breaks down. Our midfield just leave them to it. For me this is tactical thing that Pardew has failed to address for a long time. If you want your FB's to push high up then you to have a holding player who stays there, we simply dont, and get caught over and over again because of it. As you say making Debuchy and Santon look worse. Mind you they have been guilty of very poor play too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Too many times our "holding" player has 0 positional discipline to sit -- that's his role, to sit, but too busy roaming around are too far forward. Anita and Tiote, if played, need to be camped out on top of the middle circle, if we lose ball, try to close down, if not hold position and support the CBs...frustrating how poorly the defense is being instructed. I think our backs look worse b/c of our inability to have a strong defensive spine, at the end of the day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Fantastic today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir_9 Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Man of the match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 best game for us, more of the same and I may retract my opinion on him being a clown Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Best full back performance I can remember seeing for us for a good while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 No complaints if he plays like that. Very good today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Actually looked like an international class defender today, aside from a couple of silly free kicks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 The goal against Australia must have been a big boost for him. Well played today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 His covering for cross is exceptional. That probably explains why he is the starter for France even though he is damn poor in defending wingers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Wasn't too enamoured with him giving away that free kick at the end. Great game from him today though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Looked excellent today. Every fullback makes errors at times, it's one of the hardest positions, but he did us proud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Really good today, did well at the back post several times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Much, much better. Daft yellow card but a vastly improved performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Looked great when we were on top and defended doggedly when we weren't . Great display Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 He's a fighter, its what I really like about him. He played well against speedy and tricky wide players and held his positional discipline. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Quality player. Was written off way too quickly by some on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Quality player. Was written off way too quickly by some on here. Definitely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Both he and Santon look a helluva lot better when we don't use them as practically wing backs. Keep it like this and consistent performances from both of them will come IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Been a massive critic but he was superb. Was the first to bump this page. Keep it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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