The College Dropout Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Couldn't care less how we played, it's another defeat. Our 14th defeat out of 28 games which is the same as "definitely finished" QPR. Getting results is important and breeds confidence. However, we won't get relegated. So the main thing for me is performance. And the performance was good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Cisse performance away from a win yesterday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 A good yard stick of a Manager's Capability is to compare him with other managers 2 above and 2 below us. 2011/2012 Arsenal - Wenger Tottenham - Harry Newcastle Chelsea - Di Matteo Everton - Moyes Current 2012/2013 Norwich - Hughton Mackems - O Neill Newcastle Southampton - Pochettino Wigan - Martinez I actually rate him below O Neill and Fat Sam just because of his second season slump with every teams he has taken. Fat sam might play ugly football but who are we to condemn hm since we have being guilty of that ourselves this season, at least Sam is efficient about the long balls. No way he is on par with the Managers of the 2011/2012. Which leaves us with a middle league or average Manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 yeah alright mate. Same logic mean Catts > Cabaye, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 We created two really good chances for our forwards yesterday, they didn't take them. Cisse has missed a number of good chances this season also. How is not having someone else we can bring in not a problem? I like Marveaux but he isn't exactly a goalscorer so we are left with Shola? How many chances do you think Andy Cole and Les Ferdinand needed to get goals? My guess is that both would have a record of less than a goal for every couple of good chances and both were formidable scorers for us, I wonder why? We’re not creating enough chances and that it down to how we play and it’s not good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Cisse performance away from a win yesterday. I'm not even sure what that means. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Last year we had two strikers who scored 30 goals between them. This year, one half of that duo has put up similar numbers. The other has not been anywhere to the level of the previous season. It's not the midfielders not creating. We've always had someone banging them in for 18 months. It's just the individual player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 We created two really good chances for our forwards yesterday, they didn't take them. Cisse has missed a number of good chances this season also. How is not having someone else we can bring in not a problem? I like Marveaux but he isn't exactly a goalscorer so we are left with Shola? How many chances do you think Andy Cole and Les Ferdinand needed to get goals? My guess is that both would have a record of less than a goal for every couple of good chances and both were formidable scorers for us, I wonder why? We’re not creating enough chances and that it down to how we play and it’s not good enough. Did we create more chances in the first half of the season when Ba was one of the top scorers in the league? Is he better than Cole or Ferdinand were? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Cisse performance away from a win yesterday. I'm not even sure what that means. If Cisse played well yesterday, we would've won. Better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Couldn't care less how we played, it's another defeat. Our 14th defeat out of 28 games which is the same as "definitely finished" QPR. Getting results is important and breeds confidence. However, we won't get relegated. So the main thing for me is performance. And the performance was good. Much better chance of keeping HBA and Cabaye with a surge into the top half showing promise for next season. If they see us standing still even after the January investment, what reason is there for them to stick around? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 We created two really good chances for our forwards yesterday, they didn't take them. Cisse has missed a number of good chances this season also. How is not having someone else we can bring in not a problem? I like Marveaux but he isn't exactly a goalscorer so we are left with Shola? How many chances do you think Andy Cole and Les Ferdinand needed to get goals? My guess is that both would have a record of less than a goal for every couple of good chances and both were formidable scorers for us, I wonder why? We’re not creating enough chances and that it down to how we play and it’s not good enough. Did we create more chances in the first half of the season when Ba was one of the top scorers in the league? Is he better than Cole or Ferdinand were? Demba was scoring goals but was forcing the team to play badly. Don't you know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 We created two really good chances for our forwards yesterday, they didn't take them. Cisse has missed a number of good chances this season also. How is not having someone else we can bring in not a problem? I like Marveaux but he isn't exactly a goalscorer so we are left with Shola? How many chances do you think Andy Cole and Les Ferdinand needed to get goals? My guess is that both would have a record of less than a goal for every couple of good chances and both were formidable scorers for us, I wonder why? We’re not creating enough chances and that it down to how we play and it’s not good enough. Did we create more chances in the first half of the season when Ba was one of the top scorers in the league? Is he better than Cole or Ferdinand were? Demba was scoring goals but was forcing the team to play badly. Don't you know? I don't think HE was forcing the team to play badly. He was doing what he was there to do, if it wasn't working then Pardew should have changed things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Surely not one single person looks at Alan Pardew's CV, how we play, this season etc. and even the performances in the main last season, and sees a good manager?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Cisse performance away from a win yesterday. I'm not even sure what that means. If Cisse played well yesterday, we would've won. Better? And yet Ba was supposedly playing well for six months and we were losing every week, not managing a single away win when he was here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Couldn't care less how we played, it's another defeat. Our 14th defeat out of 28 games which is the same as "definitely finished" QPR. Getting results is important and breeds confidence. However, we won't get relegated. So the main thing for me is performance. And the performance was good. Much better chance of keeping HBA and Cabaye with a surge into the top half showing promise for next season. If they see us standing still even after the January investment, what reason is there for them to stick around? If Manchester United/City/a top club want them, they'll leave regardless. A bad result but a good performance away to Swansea won't change that. Realistically, Cabaye playing well will result in Cabaye moving to a bigger club unless we are in the CL. And even then that just increases his price tag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Cisse performance away from a win yesterday. I'm not even sure what that means. If Cisse played well yesterday, we would've won. Better? And yet Ba was supposedly playing well for six months and we were losing every week, not managing a single away win when he was here. we've never won an away game with Demba Ba in the side? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Did we create more chances in the first half of the season when Ba was one of the top scorers in the league? Is he better than Cole or Ferdinand were? Footballers can have a period where everything they hit goes in, Cisse was doing it last season. That doesn't mean that a forward should be expected to score with every chance, or does it? You seem to think that creating two good chances in a game is good enough yet when we beat Southampton we had the best goals to chances created ratio in the league, that day and it was only 40% which is less than a goal for every 2 chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 If Cisse played well yesterday, we would've won. Better? Wow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 College pls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 How many "capable strikers" have Arsenal, Everton, Spurs, Swansea, Chelsea and Liverpool been playing with all season? Everton have really struggled with goals from Jelavic like us with Cisse yet they're just underneath a CL place - because other players are scoring goals and they create a fuckload of chances nearly every game. The irony is that he's had two of the best strikers in the division available to him for most of the entire season and still couldn't win a game... but then the excuse is the right back, or the centre half, as if every squad in the league is perfection. Everton have Fellani, even Anichebe seems to score on his rare outings (4 goals to our main forwards 6) but yeah they have done well. Chelsea have Lampard and Mata who have scored over 10, now they have Ba obviously, even the youngster they loaned out who has 12 league goals. Arsenal have Walcott, Carzola, even Giroud has scored 9. Defoe still has 10, that Gareth Bale lad seems to chip in with the odd goal. Wouldn't Dempsey and Sigurdsson be better goalscoring options than we have? Suarez is the top scorer in the league. Gerrard has scored 7, Sturridge 4 since he signed in January. Obviously Cisse's form this season is entirely down to Pardew though, no other explanation. I suppose Moyes is at fault that Jelavic and Mirales haven't been banging them away? Probably not I suspect. To suggest any of these teams don't have a lot more options than us is ridiculous. Where are our goals coming from if we need to change things up? Are we going to realistically get double figures from our centre mids? (maybe Sissoko over a full season), can you see our full backs getting as many as Baines? We have one centre back capable of getting the odd goal, hopefully MYM will be. You might have a point, however I'd argue that come the end of the season this will all be academic. I'll judge him on where we finish in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Demba was scoring goals but was forcing the team to play badly. Don't you know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 yeah alright mate. Same logic mean Catts > Cabaye, Which proves the point that Pardew is not a good manager, he has us below the Mackems , it obvious we have better players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Did we create more chances in the first half of the season when Ba was one of the top scorers in the league? Is he better than Cole or Ferdinand were? Footballers can have a period where everything they hit goes in, Cisse was doing it last season. That doesn't mean that a forward should be expected to score with every chance, or does it? You seem to think that creating two good chances in a game is good enough yet when we beat Southampton we had the best goals to chances created ratio in the league, that day and it was only 40% which is less than a goal for every 2 chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Last season was good, this season is bad. Neither was/is without its great days of outstanding promise and its shite days of looking utterly abysmal. We're not going to go down and the Europa League is still to play for, but otherwise I'm looking forward to seeing what we do next season tbh. The manager isn't going anywhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Did we create more chances in the first half of the season when Ba was one of the top scorers in the league? Is he better than Cole or Ferdinand were? Footballers can have a period where everything they hit goes in, Cisse was doing it last season. That doesn't mean that a forward should be expected to score with every chance, or does it? You seem to think that creating two good chances in a game is good enough yet when we beat Southampton we had the best goals to chances created ratio in the league, that day and it was only 40% which is less than a goal for every 2 chances. Do you think Cisse and Gouffran both should have done better with their chances yesterday? We had 14 shots, 7 on target. Swansea the better side with the much better manager had 10 shots, 7 on target. The one they scored was only because of a massive fuck up from our defenders that you just couldn't account for as a manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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