Alan Pardew

[Dave]

The scary thing is, had we not went on that mad January spending spree, we would be looking at a very very realistic season of Championship football next season. He has to go, seriously. There is nothing remotely good about this NUFC team other than the individual talent of the players. We cannot defend, we cannot attack. We are tactically poor. Our set pieces are poor. We are average at home and shocking away from home. We cannot hold onto leads, we cannot win from behind, we are such a sorry mess of a team despite having a very good squad of players. We will not improve significantly next season, we will struggle again just as we are this season and that's because our manager is f***ing clueless.

 

What's your point?

 

What's yours? Mine is patently fucking obvious

 

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[Guest Howaythetoon]

I am fairly confident if we start well we will see a lot better football.

 

You actually believe we will start playing better football? Pardew has been here for over 2 seasons almost if you like and I can count perhaps maybe 10 games in which we have played what you would describe as good football, the rest has been awful long ball negative shit or scatty limp performances.

[Guest]

The scary thing is, had we not went on that mad January spending spree, we would be looking at a very very realistic season of Championship football next season. He has to go, seriously. There is nothing remotely good about this NUFC team other than the individual talent of the players. We cannot defend, we cannot attack. We are tactically poor. Our set pieces are poor. We are average at home and shocking away from home. We cannot hold onto leads, we cannot win from behind, we are such a sorry mess of a team despite having a very good squad of players. We will not improve significantly next season, we will struggle again just as we are this season and that's because our manager is f***ing clueless.

 

On the other hand, if we'd made those signings in the summer like we should have, I bet we'd have been a lot nearer the top 8 and Pardew wouldn't be under half as much pressure.

[Ryan_Taylor]

The scary thing is, had we not went on that mad January spending spree, we would be looking at a very very realistic season of Championship football next season. He has to go, seriously. There is nothing remotely good about this NUFC team other than the individual talent of the players. We cannot defend, we cannot attack. We are tactically poor. Our set pieces are poor. We are average at home and shocking away from home. We cannot hold onto leads, we cannot win from behind, we are such a sorry mess of a team despite having a very good squad of players. We will not improve significantly next season, we will struggle again just as we are this season and that's because our manager is f***ing clueless.

 

On the other hand, if we'd made those signings in the summer like we should have, I bet we'd have been a lot nearer the top 8 and Pardew wouldn't be under half as much pressure.

 

The other side of the coin 

[Cajun]

Why shouldn't we be aiming to qualify for it when we came within one game of it last season and have since strengthened significantly?

 

Look who we are up against.

 

What, Spurs, Arsenal and Everton?

 

We can't compete with them? Really?

 

Let's say we compete with those next season (I would include Liverpool as well who will no doubt outspend us again this summer), would you say there is enough quality and depth with our current squad to definitely finish above any of them?

 

Would you be happy if we finished 8th but were half a dozen points off the highest placed team in that list?

 

I don't think 8th is good enough so no. That's mid-table.

 

Personally think it's unrealistic to expect to finish above those teams, all of those teams have been well established up there while we have had relegation and basically put a whole team back together whilst shifting a lot of dead wood. All but Everton have and will continue to spend a hell of a lot more too.

 

If we are talking about the club then I would agree we should be up there. Talking solely about the manager and the resources he has then I don't see it as a failure if he finished below those clubs.

[Mistle17]

The scary thing is, had we not went on that mad January spending spree, we would be looking at a very very realistic season of Championship football next season. He has to go, seriously. There is nothing remotely good about this NUFC team other than the individual talent of the players. We cannot defend, we cannot attack. We are tactically poor. Our set pieces are poor. We are average at home and shocking away from home. We cannot hold onto leads, we cannot win from behind, we are such a sorry mess of a team despite having a very good squad of players. We will not improve significantly next season, we will struggle again just as we are this season and that's because our manager is f***ing clueless.

 

I couldn't agree more. Summed up very well.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

The scary thing is, had we not went on that mad January spending spree, we would be looking at a very very realistic season of Championship football next season. He has to go, seriously. There is nothing remotely good about this NUFC team other than the individual talent of the players. We cannot defend, we cannot attack. We are tactically poor. Our set pieces are poor. We are average at home and shocking away from home. We cannot hold onto leads, we cannot win from behind, we are such a sorry mess of a team despite having a very good squad of players. We will not improve significantly next season, we will struggle again just as we are this season and that's because our manager is f***ing clueless.

 

On the other hand, if we'd made those signings in the summer like we should have, I bet we'd have been a lot nearer the top 8 and Pardew wouldn't be under half as much pressure.

 

Maybe so but we started the season in a much stronger position than the season before as a first-team, as a squad, in every way possible, yet come January, we were looking at a relegation spot. To be where we were in Jan regardless was nothing short of pathetic. Sides with lesser players and smaller squads are and have been above us. Is Everton's first-team as good as ours was at the start of the season?

[Mistle17]

To put things into perspective, we've lost 14 league games this season- only Wigan (16) and Reading (15) have lost more than us. That means we've lost half our games this campaign. Yeah, class manager.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Anyway, there can be no more excuses for Pardew. He has compared to any other manager under Ashley, won the fucking lottery basically with the signings he has had and the squad he now has.

[Dave]

The scary thing is, had we not went on that mad January spending spree, we would be looking at a very very realistic season of Championship football next season. He has to go, seriously. There is nothing remotely good about this NUFC team other than the individual talent of the players. We cannot defend, we cannot attack. We are tactically poor. Our set pieces are poor. We are average at home and shocking away from home. We cannot hold onto leads, we cannot win from behind, we are such a sorry mess of a team despite having a very good squad of players. We will not improve significantly next season, we will struggle again just as we are this season and that's because our manager is f***ing clueless.

 

On the other hand, if we'd made those signings in the summer like we should have, I bet we'd have been a lot nearer the top 8 and Pardew wouldn't be under half as much pressure.

 

Both are to blame. Squad investment in the summer wasn't good enough, Pardew's management under that increased pressure hasn't been good enough.

 

As I said before, all we can hope for is that everyone involved learns lessons from it and the same mistakes aren't repeated to this extent. Sacking a manager for one poor season is every bit as short-sighted as giving a manager an eight-year contract for one good season IMO.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

To put things into perspective, we've lost 14 league games this season- only Wigan (16) and Reading (15) have lost more than us. That means we've lost half our games this campaign. Yeah, class manager.

 

Manager of the year man. Finished 5th man.

[Dave]

Anyway, there can be no more excuses for Pardew. He has compared to any other manager under Ashley, won the fucking lottery basically with the signings he has had and the squad he now has.

 

[Cajun]

I am fairly confident if we start well we will see a lot better football.

 

You actually believe we will start playing better football? Pardew has been here for over 2 seasons almost if you like and I can count perhaps maybe 10 games in which we have played what you would describe as good football, the rest has been awful long ball negative shit or scatty limp performances.

 

Pardew is a scared manager, doesn't like risks but when things are going well and he has a bit of breathing room he allows us to be a bit more adventurous.

 

We never play amazing football but there are improvements when the pressure is off.

 

If pick up results early I am certain we will look a lot better.

[Ronaldo]

Still think the first team's generally propped up by a load of rubbish and key players aren't performing as well as they should.

 

That said, tactically he'll always hold us back and when that's compounded by ridiculous inclusions in the first Xl it's difficult to construct a decent defence for the guy.

[Dave]

To put things into perspective, we've lost 14 league games this season- only Wigan (16) and Reading (15) have lost more than us. That means we've lost half our games this campaign. Yeah, class manager.

 

We won half of our games last campaign. Yeah, shit manager.

 

Do you not think the answer so far is more likely to be somewhere between the two?

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Still think the first team's generally propped up by a load of rubbish and key players aren't performing as well as they should.

 

That said, tactically he'll always hold us back and when that's compounded by ridiculous inclusions in the first Xl it's difficult to construct a decent defence for the guy.

 

I disagree, not when you compare us to most other sides. Even Man Utd by their standards is propped up by some rubbish. No club has 22 world-class players. We have as good a squad as any outside of Man Utd, Chelsea and Man City. We are now on a par with Spurs and Arsenal in terms of squad.

 

Our key players are not performing as well as they can or should because of the system, tactics, coaching etc.

 

Cisse wide right. Ba a target man. Cabaye a quarter-back. Ben Arfa a wing-back. Jonas still being selected. Tiote a hard man. Even this so-called 10 position of Sisoko, bull shit. He's not playing that role or position whatsoever. He does eventually find himself in such a position/role but only due to the game opening up and other game factors etc. He doesn't start as a number 10 or play that role from kick-off. With Goufran in the side there is no need whatsoever for Jonas.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

To put things into perspective, we've lost 14 league games this season- only Wigan (16) and Reading (15) have lost more than us. That means we've lost half our games this campaign. Yeah, class manager.

 

We won half of our games last campaign. Yeah, s*** manager.

 

Do you not think the answer so far is more likely to be somewhere between the two?

 

If we are talking in the proof is in the pudding sense, then I refer you to Pardew's CV. The answer most certainly isn't between the two.

[Ronaldo]

Still think the first team's generally propped up by a load of rubbish and key players aren't performing as well as they should.

 

That said, tactically he'll always hold us back and when that's compounded by ridiculous inclusions in the first Xl it's difficult to construct a decent defence for the guy.

 

I disagree, not when you compare us to most other sides. Even Man Utd by their standards is propped up by some rubbish. No club has 22 world-class players. We have as good a squad as any outside of Man Utd, Chelsea and Man City. We are now on a par with Spurs and Arsenal in terms of squad.

 

Our key players are not performing as well as they can or should because of the system, tactics, coaching etc.

 

Cisse wide right. Ba a target man. Cabaye a quarter-back. Ben Arfa a wing-back. Jonas still being selected. Tiote a hard man. Even this so-called 10 position of Sisoko, bull shit. He's not playing that role or position whatsoever. He does eventually find himself in such a position/role but only due to the game opening up and other game factors etc. He doesn't start as a number 10 or play that role from kick-off. With Goufran in the side there is no need whatsoever for Jonas.

 

No chance, man. Not when Elliott/Harper, Danny Simpson, Shola Ameobi and Jonas are always one injury or less away from starting games.

[joeyt]

The scary thing is, had we not went on that mad January spending spree, we would be looking at a very very realistic season of Championship football next season. He has to go, seriously. There is nothing remotely good about this NUFC team other than the individual talent of the players. We cannot defend, we cannot attack. We are tactically poor. Our set pieces are poor. We are average at home and shocking away from home. We cannot hold onto leads, we cannot win from behind, we are such a sorry mess of a team despite having a very good squad of players. We will not improve significantly next season, we will struggle again just as we are this season and that's because our manager is f***ing clueless.

 

[Wullie]

To put things into perspective, we've lost 14 league games this season- only Wigan (16) and Reading (15) have lost more than us. That means we've lost half our games this campaign. Yeah, class manager.

 

We won half of our games last campaign. Yeah, shit manager.

 

Do you not think the answer so far is more likely to be somewhere between the two?

 

Personally I've seen enough of the way he wants to play the game to know that I don't want him here, no matter where he falls on an arbitrary scale between good and shite.

 

We're always going to be relying too much on luck with him because he's too reliant on his best players to get results. He wants a full team all the time and that's not realistic, maybe fifty years ago he would have been in luck, and even then it's still all done with a negative approach.

 

Even if he did qualify for Europe next season, the season after that we'd be back to what we've seen this season, moaning about having to compete in midweek.

[nufc4eva]

I the general play and consistency does not improve in first part of next season we should get rid, he will have had 3 years at that point and should have improved the way we play

[Cajun]

Still think the first team's generally propped up by a load of rubbish and key players aren't performing as well as they should.

 

That said, tactically he'll always hold us back and when that's compounded by ridiculous inclusions in the first Xl it's difficult to construct a decent defence for the guy.

 

The only 'ridiculous' inclusion at the moment is Jonas for me and even then I can't really moan with the other options. Marveaux is obviously more creative but I think we would be carrying him too much out there.

 

If Jonas is still playing when Ben Arfa is fully fit fair enough but I really don't think he will.

[Guest Dontooner]

top 6-8 squad, still some fringe players away ...

Below Average Manager 

Where would we finish? closer to 9 - 14 i reckon next season.

[nufc4eva]

Still think the first team's generally propped up by a load of rubbish and key players aren't performing as well as they should.

 

That said, tactically he'll always hold us back and when that's compounded by ridiculous inclusions in the first Xl it's difficult to construct a decent defence for the guy.

 

The only 'ridiculous' inclusion at the moment is Jonas for me and even then I can't really moan with the other options. Marveaux is obviously more creative but I think we would be carrying him too much out there.

 

If Jonas is still playing when Ben Arfa is fully fit fair enough but I really don't think he will.

 

The most concerning thing for me is that he doesn't know how to change a game, if it's going bad he does not seem capable of tweaking the way we play. We very rarely take advantage of opposition weaknesses and generally don't setup to play good attacking football. We always seem to be more concerned with what the other team is going to do and 9 times out of 10 it ends bad for us. I just wish he would grow a pair at times and allow the players to express themselves because I think he holds them back and concerns himself to much with defensive shape and hard work, both of which sees us make defensive mistakes nearly every single game.

 

I am willing to wait until next season but he has to evolve, look at the way Swansea play with players like Dyer, Routledge etc. Even at the back Gary Monk ffs, it's because of the way they train, tactical and formation work and it's clear they work on movement as well as being hard working to win the ball back. Look at other teams as well and just seems they know how to retain the ball better and use it effectively, quite a few with players you would consider less able than ours.

 

Oh and when we are losing, the answer is not Shola. Despite common believe that the answer to every problem going is Shola, it fucking isn't, the guy is terrible and has been for over 10 years, yet Pardew thinks the sun shines out his arse. I really hope he does not decide to go with him and Cisse on right for Anzhi

[Guest Howaythetoon]

RE Jonas, I like the player and respect him, but these days he offers nothing other than 'work-rate' and this alone typifies Pardew's whole outlook and limitations as a manager. I look at Goufron and see work-rate AND end product. He can work that entire left side up and down from both a defensive and attacking perspective, negating the need for Jonas.

 

But all Pardew sees is graft and defensive duties when he looks at Jonas, i.e. the cornerstone of his ideas, coaching and tactics. By removing Jonas however, we could play a central 3 of Anita, Cabaye and Tiote in midfield with Cabaye the tip of that, i.e. the number 10.

 

This would allow us to play Goufran, Cisse and Sissoko as the forward 3.  Off the ball, Goufran could drop back into a left-wing berth and Sissoko a wide right berth, a position he showed against Chelsea he can operate in. We would be so much more fluid and attacking and of course, more stronger defensively. But Pardew doesn't see any of that.

 

For me, Tiote should be the anchor-man, the destroyer. His whole role and position there to sit and protect and to break up the opposition. Then give it to Anita who has shown he moves around better and is better with quick shorter passing. He can be the link man, who gets it and gives it... to Cabaye, our real playmaker. Let him link up with the forward 3 and see what can develop.

 

Instead he is sat on top of the back-four spraying hollywood balls about and charging into challenges and opposition midfielders. Pardew's admittedly much better French Souness Scott Parker. He's better than that man!

 

Tiote the way we play is just a waste of a shirt. The poor fucker probably gets sent out to rough up the opposition. Again he is much better than that.