Hanshithispantz Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Those are exactly the kind of runs Santon needs to be making mind, him and Shola (shudder) done very well to get in on goal like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I know nothing about tactics but it is very hard to explain Shola central and Cisse wide. Best explanation I can come up with is that they had done match preparation in anticipation of playing Ba central, but had to switch at the last minute so he just slotted Shola in to minimize displacement. Sounds like the excuse he will use, but in reality he should have had Ba anywhere but the bench tonight, any manager worth a damn wouldn't have based their entire plan around a player ready to leave any day. Apart from that his head isn't going to be in it. Agreed. As soon as the Chelsea story broke on Sunday, Ba should have been nowhere near the starting XI. He certainly shouldn't have been accommodated as the central striker anymore, that should have been that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Bringing on Ranger was the sign of a man whose not a clue how to turn it round. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Patience is slowly running out for me.....slowly. I still hope he can turn it around as I honestly can't see what good changing managers will do at the minute (especially in the middle of a transfer window). We need our players back and two or three players in, but he also needs to realise he's been a flipping numpty with Cisse (although I'm pretty sure he'll be down the middle from now on) and the Obertan sub was completely baffling. He has the next 3 premiership games to show me he can turn this around. If he does, fantastic. If not, we really will have to change something. I doubt any other manager would have Shola at the club for 2 years and think it would be a good idea to play him in the centre and Cisse on the wing, he should be sacked for that alone. Shola has the same movement as a corpse and we were crying out for movement in the centre for the entire first half when we were playing quite well. Our players coming ball might improve our results, if they do it will be in spite of Pardew, not because of him. THIS. Honestly, if there's ever a more telling sign to his cluelessness it is his favouritism towards Shola. He wants the big, immobile, talentless lump to play there so we can hoof the bastard thing to him rather than play the £10 million, talented, mobile goalscorer and surround him with the two form wide players in the side. I can't get over the way he thinks. It's just fucking backwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I haven't got that much of a problem with that Santon comment from Pardew FWIW, other than that Santon is quite clearly short of confidence at the moment. I wouldn't have a problem with it if he took some of the pressure on himself and tried to ease it off the players. As far as I'm concerned if something goes wrong and you've done your job then you have the right to criticise others. He hasn't been doing his job for a long time now. It reeks of Souness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 George Caulkin @CaulkinTheTimes Pardew also said: "we can't hide from it - we're right in it & have to get out of it." Confirms what most already knew - "the combination (Of Ba & Cisse) didn't really work, so I hope we can find someone more suited to Papiss. It's easier said than done in this window." FFS. Then we need to ditch our principles and pay the going rate or arrange a short-term stopgap. We cannot afford to leave ourselves short this time. There's Pardew's (and the clubs) excuse in nice and early, when Ba hasn't been replaced by midnight, Jan 31st. Is Kuqi still available? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Inexplicable tactics tonight. Why start Shola from the off, Alan, why?! This month is going to be very crucial for him. His biggest test to date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brazilianbob Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I was absolutely astonished to come back from a Caribbean holiday last year to find Pardew had been voted manager of the season as we had won so many games despite the managers choice of tactics/formation so his tactics this seaspn smack of a belief that he really thinks he is a good manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Bringing on Ranger was the sign of a man whose not a clue how to turn it round. As useless as Ranger is I'd have started him every single time ahead of the cunt up front. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Mag Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 George Caulkin @CaulkinTheTimes Pardew also said: "we can't hide from it - we're right in it & have to get out of it." Confirms what most already knew - "the combination (Of Ba & Cisse) didn't really work, so I hope we can find someone more suited to Papiss. It's easier said than done in this window." FFS. Then we need to ditch our principles and pay the going rate or arrange a short-term stopgap. We cannot afford to leave ourselves short this time. There's Pardew's (and the clubs) excuse in nice and early, when Ba hasn't been replaced by midnight, Jan 31st. Is Kuqi still available? Think he is at Oldham now but I think Franny 'fox in a box' Jeffers is on a free Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Bringing on Ranger was the sign of a man whose not a clue how to turn it round. It was a desperate attempt to get the owner's attention IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Bringing on Ranger was the sign of a man whose not a clue how to turn it round. As useless as Ranger is I'd have started him every single time ahead of the cunt up front. You can tell Ranger's out of match practice, or just plan thick. he seemed half a second behind the play every time he was involved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I haven't got that much of a problem with that Santon comment from Pardew FWIW, other than that Santon is quite clearly short of confidence at the moment. I wouldn't have a problem with it if he took some of the pressure on himself and tried to ease it off the players. As far as I'm concerned if something goes wrong and you've done your job then you have the right to criticise others. He hasn't been doing his job for a long time now. It reeks of Souness. Fair comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J7 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 George Caulkin @CaulkinTheTimes Pardew also said: "we can't hide from it - we're right in it & have to get out of it." Confirms what most already knew - "the combination (Of Ba & Cisse) didn't really work, so I hope we can find someone more suited to Papiss. It's easier said than done in this window." FFS. Then we need to ditch our principles and pay the going rate or arrange a short-term stopgap. We cannot afford to leave ourselves short this time. Aye. The possibility of Ba fucking off has been there since the end of last season. There really is no excuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Patience is slowly running out for me.....slowly. I still hope he can turn it around as I honestly can't see what good changing managers will do at the minute (especially in the middle of a transfer window). We need our players back and two or three players in, but he also needs to realise he's been a flipping numpty with Cisse (although I'm pretty sure he'll be down the middle from now on) and the Obertan sub was completely baffling. He has the next 3 premiership games to show me he can turn this around. If he does, fantastic. If not, we really will have to change something. I doubt any other manager would have Shola at the club for 2 years and think it would be a good idea to play him in the centre and Cisse on the wing, he should be sacked for that alone. Shola has the same movement as a corpse and we were crying out for movement in the centre for the entire first half when we were playing quite well. Our players coming ball might improve our results, if they do it will be in spite of Pardew, not because of him. THIS. Honestly, if there's ever a more telling sign to his cluelessness it is his favouritism towards Shola. He wants the big, immobile, talentless lump to play there so we can hoof the bastard thing to him rather than play the £10 million, talented, mobile goalscorer and surround him with the two form wide players in the side. I can't get over the way he thinks. It's just fucking backwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Bringing on Ranger was the sign of a man whose not a clue how to turn it round. It was a desperate attempt to get the owner's attention IMO. Maybe but bringing on Ranger was a massive facepalm moment. Pretty sure everyone in the pub was looking at me in confusion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 George Caulkin @CaulkinTheTimes Pardew also said: "we can't hide from it - we're right in it & have to get out of it." Confirms what most already knew - "the combination (Of Ba & Cisse) didn't really work, so I hope we can find someone more suited to Papiss. It's easier said than done in this window." Seriously, he's a moron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 That Caulkin quote, ffs. Of course Cisse and Ba didn't work. Whenever we played 4-4-2 with them up front we had the wingers on the wrong bloody wings. We could have had Shearer and Bellamy up front but with that supply they'd have looked fucking dreadful. Otherwise we had Cisse on the right side of a 4-3-3, which is just as baffling. Even on the left of a 4-3-3 he might look better as at least then he can cut inside. However I genuinely believe that if we had a right-footed right winger and a left-footed left winger playing in a 4-4-2 then Cisse and Ba would have looked ten times better as a strike pair. Still, it's all academic now. Unless we then go on to repeat the same mistakes with whoever else we bring in during January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Blamed Santon on the radio. f*** off Alan, you small time fraudster. Seriously? What did he say? 'They had more experience than us and it showed, Santon goes through on goal and if he squares it there we score and get a point.' Come on man, that's hardly blaming Santon for the overall result, just showing how quickly it could change. And to be fair he's right. Santon was awful tonight (IMO) and we would have got a point if he'd squared it. How do you know this by the way, can you see in to an alternative future where Cisse got it, and scored. And they didn't attack again or something like that? If he really truly means that the Santon didn't pass made the whole team play s**** and hoof the ball he can really go f*** himself, its a stupid excuse. Come on man. That's clearly not what that quote says. On his interview on Sky he said we didn't play that well. That quote is clearly a throwaway "look how close we got to snatching a draw" type quote rather than a "it's all Santons fault" quote. As usual though, as soon as the tide turns on a manager at this club, every quote will be dissected and turned into a "disgrace". tbf some were disecting his every quote last season when we were doing well. There were also some who were concerned about our methods even though we were getting good results last season. It might work for low budget teams looking to hang around the periphery of success but no top sides play that way in this day and age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 The fans should never be 5 steps ahead of the manager. It might be more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Blamed Santon on the radio. f*** off Alan, you small time fraudster. Seriously? What did he say? 'They had more experience than us and it showed, Santon goes through on goal and if he squares it there we score and get a point.' Come on man, that's hardly blaming Santon for the overall result, just showing how quickly it could change. And to be fair he's right. Santon was awful tonight (IMO) and we would have got a point if he'd squared it. How do you know this by the way, can you see in to an alternative future where Cisse got it, and scored. And they didn't attack again or something like that? If he really truly means that the Santon didn't pass made the whole team play s**** and hoof the ball he can really go f*** himself, its a stupid excuse. Come on man. That's clearly not what that quote says. On his interview on Sky he said we didn't play that well. That quote is clearly a throwaway "look how close we got to snatching a draw" type quote rather than a "it's all Santons fault" quote. As usual though, as soon as the tide turns on a manager at this club, every quote will be dissected and turned into a "disgrace". tbf some were disecting his every quote last season when we were doing well. There were also some who were concerned about our methods even though we were getting good results last season. It might work for low budget teams looking to hang around the periphery of success but no top sides play that way in this day and age. Yep, there's always been criticism apart from the time he got Ba, Cisse and Hatem performing superbly together last season. Only it was constructive criticism or little concerns about the overall evolution of the side, now it's to the extent where we are worried about relegation and attacks on him overall. to even be considering that is a sign of failure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 This bloke completely does my head in. So stubborn and his substitutions are just completely clueless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Bringing on Ranger was the sign of a man whose not a clue how to turn it round. I disagree, Ranger should have replaced Shola and gone to the right to allow Cisse to go central. I'm no fan of Obertan but taking him off was criminal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachikoma Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Bringing on Ranger was the sign of a man whose not a clue how to turn it round. I disagree, Ranger should have replaced Shola and gone to the right to allow Cisse to go central. I'm no fan of Obertan but taking him off was criminal. Or Sammy, who was pretty good on the right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Should have been Bigi on for Shola - Obertan left, Marveaux right, Cisse up top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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