Alan Pardew

[Guest bimpy474]

I didn't see a lack of effort today from most, maybe a lack of motivation which players need to do themselves and the manager needs to do.

 

What I did see was a lack of a credible game plan, ultra defensive formation and tactics and a team that doesn't have a clue on set pieces which you have to question what does Pardew, Carver, Stone etc do with them in training?

 

I've always said people like Carver and such are just hangers on, from the dark ages, much like Terry Mcdermott, no matter what they always worm their way back into the club, 

 

if im not mistaken all these people ever did was just place cones out on the training field and whilst they not doing that they are tip toeing around the place being the eyes and ears of the manager, listening-in on players conversations and reporting back on who said this and that and who slagged off the gaffer.

 

Having said all this right now the biggest problem we have is the manager.

 

How do we judge Carver though, do we judge him when he was Sir Bob's number 2 and we were in the Champions League playing well and finishing in the top 5 regularly. Or now under Pardew ?.

[Guest bimpy474]

I've never felt like our backroom staff is the most professional set up. It's not based on any thing more than the types of personalities they are though.

 

Aye, and this is solely down to Pardew as they are his appointments, and they are organised by him, under his rules.

[TRon]

Do the players not take any of the responsibility then?...

 

They should just take all of it. Who needs a manager these days?

 

 

[Parky]

For the key players last year a lot of stuff was new ie for the likes of Cisse and Cabaye (getting to grips with the PL) and Hatem (after the lay off) - Ba was playing is heart out to secure an 80k deal some other place. We went on good runs of results (patchy performances) - so things weren't really analysed - everyone was kinda happy to just stay on the train.

 

Then of course the new season brought real pressure after the high and totally out of the blue finish, add to that the poor window and of course you can see the blue chip players started to fall out of love with the direct/percentage football (once the results stopped coming). Honestly think it's a huge combination of things and Pards isn't really doing anything different than he did last year (just the players have had time to see its limitations in the cold light of day now).

 

For me the real key is that no solid base or framework of ideas has been embedded into the side. It's all such a hotchpotch of stuff (depending on who we play).

 

Our coaching set up is really lacking in ideas or how to implement them, there just seems little depth to any of it. No vision.

 

[TRon]

Who are we going to replace him with that will be better?  I'm honestly curious.  MA doesn't have a good track record of appointing managers really.

 

When you've just been handed your arse for two seasons in succession by a manager from a division below it would suggest that there are plenty of alternatives who could do a better job.

[littlelunchbox]

I didn't see a lack of effort today from most, maybe a lack of motivation which players need to do themselves and the manager needs to do.

 

What I did see was a lack of a credible game plan, ultra defensive formation and tactics and a team that doesn't have a clue on set pieces which you have to question what does Pardew, Carver, Stone etc do with them in training?

 

I've always said people like Carver and such are just hangers on, from the dark ages, much like Terry Mcdermott, no matter what they always worm their way back into the club, 

 

if im not mistaken all these people ever did was just place cones out on the training field and whilst they not doing that they are tip toeing around the place being the eyes and ears of the manager, listening-in on players conversations and reporting back on who said this and that and who slagged off the gaffer.

 

Having said all this right now the biggest problem we have is the manager.

 

How do we judge Carver though, do we judge him when he was Sir Bob's number 2 and we were in the Champions League playing well and finishing in the top 5 regularly. Or now under Pardew ?.

 

My point is, Carver doesn't really have any true influences or valuable input into the team, that includes under Bobby's tenure.

 

Which makes Bobby's success even more remarkable as he done it mostly himself.

[toon25]

Do the players not take any of the responsibility then?...

 

Oh yeah, lots but he sets up the formation, tactics, is still using the same useless set penises, getting the GK to just hoy it into the box form anywhere on the pitch, the movement or lack of it.

 

But especially the mentality of the team, which takes you back to the collective responsibility, they aren't blameless but with such a defensive and defeatist manager giving them their lead, i'd say it mostly him to blame.

 

This. Good to have you back, btw Bimps.

[TheGuv]

I remember when Fat Sam basically coached the creativity out of our side in 2007/08 with his arrogance to do it his way.

 

I fear now that Pardew has done exactly the same thing to this team however, it has been through his own cowardice.

 

When we've obviously thought fuck it let's give it a go (Arsenal and Man Utd) we score 3 goals in two games. That's more goals in a single game than we've probably scored since March/April 2012

[Parky]

I didn't see a lack of effort today from most, maybe a lack of motivation which players need to do themselves and the manager needs to do.

 

What I did see was a lack of a credible game plan, ultra defensive formation and tactics and a team that doesn't have a clue on set pieces which you have to question what does Pardew, Carver, Stone etc do with them in training?

 

I've always said people like Carver and such are just hangers on, from the dark ages, much like Terry Mcdermott, no matter what they always worm their way back into the club, 

 

if im not mistaken all these people ever did was just place cones out on the training field and whilst they not doing that they are tip toeing around the place being the eyes and ears of the manager, listening-in on players conversations and reporting back on who said this and that and who slagged off the gaffer.

 

Having said all this right now the biggest problem we have is the manager.

 

How do we judge Carver though, do we judge him when he was Sir Bob's number 2 and we were in the Champions League playing well and finishing in the top 5 regularly. Or now under Pardew ?.

 

My point is, Carver doesn't really have any true influences or valuable input into the team, that includes under Bobby's tenure.

 

Which makes Bobby's success even more remarkable as he done it mostly himself.

 

You can see from Bobby's time as a manager he was in another league to not only Pardew but I'd say 70% of the PL managers of today. At Barca it was said he had a great knack of just simplyfing problems and issues so the players went away thinking nothing was wrong in the first place.

[TRon]

Incidentally for those who are saying it's crazy to sack Pardew midway through the season, while I would have agreed last week, fuck that now. With Ashley there's always the chance if we get a run of good games he'll think he was right all along. From what I saw today though, even teams a division below us can make us look second class just through good organisation and good football ethics.

 

This is probably going to be the best chance we have to get rid of this charlatan. Take it or we can kiss goodbye to any chance of developing this squad into anything but a feeder club for other teams who get it right.

[Guest bimpy474]

I didn't see a lack of effort today from most, maybe a lack of motivation which players need to do themselves and the manager needs to do.

 

What I did see was a lack of a credible game plan, ultra defensive formation and tactics and a team that doesn't have a clue on set pieces which you have to question what does Pardew, Carver, Stone etc do with them in training?

 

I've always said people like Carver and such are just hangers on, from the dark ages, much like Terry Mcdermott, no matter what they always worm their way back into the club, 

 

if im not mistaken all these people ever did was just place cones out on the training field and whilst they not doing that they are tip toeing around the place being the eyes and ears of the manager, listening-in on players conversations and reporting back on who said this and that and who slagged off the gaffer.

 

Having said all this right now the biggest problem we have is the manager.

 

How do we judge Carver though, do we judge him when he was Sir Bob's number 2 and we were in the Champions League playing well and finishing in the top 5 regularly. Or now under Pardew ?.

 

My point is, Carver doesn't really have any true influences or valuable input into the team, that includes under Bobby's tenure.

 

Which makes Bobby's success even more remarkable as he done it mostly himself.

 

Could that not be said for his time under Pardew then ?

 

This mess is Pardew's, just as Sir Bob's success was his ?

[Guest bimpy474]

Do the players not take any of the responsibility then?...

 

Oh yeah, lots but he sets up the formation, tactics, is still using the same useless set penises, getting the GK to just hoy it into the box form anywhere on the pitch, the movement or lack of it.

 

But especially the mentality of the team, which takes you back to the collective responsibility, they aren't blameless but with such a defensive and defeatist manager giving them their lead, i'd say it mostly him to blame.

 

This. Good to have you back, btw Bimps.

 

Thanks mate but i was a prat and deserved my little holiday.

[littlelunchbox]

I didn't see a lack of effort today from most, maybe a lack of motivation which players need to do themselves and the manager needs to do.

 

What I did see was a lack of a credible game plan, ultra defensive formation and tactics and a team that doesn't have a clue on set pieces which you have to question what does Pardew, Carver, Stone etc do with them in training?

 

I've always said people like Carver and such are just hangers on, from the dark ages, much like Terry Mcdermott, no matter what they always worm their way back into the club, 

 

if im not mistaken all these people ever did was just place cones out on the training field and whilst they not doing that they are tip toeing around the place being the eyes and ears of the manager, listening-in on players conversations and reporting back on who said this and that and who slagged off the gaffer.

 

Having said all this right now the biggest problem we have is the manager.

 

How do we judge Carver though, do we judge him when he was Sir Bob's number 2 and we were in the Champions League playing well and finishing in the top 5 regularly. Or now under Pardew ?.

 

My point is, Carver doesn't really have any true influences or valuable input into the team, that includes under Bobby's tenure.

 

Which makes Bobby's success even more remarkable as he done it mostly himself.

 

Could that not be said for his time under Pardew then ?

 

This mess is Pardew's, just as Sir Bob's success was his ?

 

yes that was exactly my point as well. 

[joeyt]

He's gone from Pardiola to Pardowie so quickly

[Guest bimpy474]

I didn't see a lack of effort today from most, maybe a lack of motivation which players need to do themselves and the manager needs to do.

 

What I did see was a lack of a credible game plan, ultra defensive formation and tactics and a team that doesn't have a clue on set pieces which you have to question what does Pardew, Carver, Stone etc do with them in training?

 

I've always said people like Carver and such are just hangers on, from the dark ages, much like Terry Mcdermott, no matter what they always worm their way back into the club, 

 

if im not mistaken all these people ever did was just place cones out on the training field and whilst they not doing that they are tip toeing around the place being the eyes and ears of the manager, listening-in on players conversations and reporting back on who said this and that and who slagged off the gaffer.

 

Having said all this right now the biggest problem we have is the manager.

 

How do we judge Carver though, do we judge him when he was Sir Bob's number 2 and we were in the Champions League playing well and finishing in the top 5 regularly. Or now under Pardew ?.

 

My point is, Carver doesn't really have any true influences or valuable input into the team, that includes under Bobby's tenure.

 

Which makes Bobby's success even more remarkable as he done it mostly himself.

 

Could that not be said for his time under Pardew then ?

 

This mess is Pardew's, just as Sir Bob's success was his ?

 

yes that was exactly my point as well. 

 

Ahh right i see

 

In my opinion, fwiw i dont think we have enough backroom coaches for the senior team, There is a real lack of depth there just as there is in the squad.

[ExiledGeordie]

This is probably going to be the best chance we have to get rid of this charlatan. Take it or we can kiss goodbye to any chance of developing this squad into anything but a feeder club for other teams who get it right.

 

Pardew or any other manager won't have any bearing on that. That's player recruitment and what you can make in terms of profit when you sell a player on. Pardew has zero say over transfers, that is pretty clear. That's the aim of an owner who wants to run a business and make money or rather get his money back. It doesn't matter who is brought in after Pardew, I believe this will always be the ethos of Ashley.

[toon25]

Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well.

[Guest bimpy474]

I think going by what's been reported, Carr gives a list to Pardew and he then gives him his recommendation from the list. Club then tries to buy said player.

 

Can't see why another manager can't work like that. Problem for us is what manager would work for Ashley and Dekka, Carr is fine as a proper football man, which any new manager would see right away. But those two.

[Wullie]

Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well.

 

Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset.

 

Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three.

[Guest bimpy474]

Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well.

 

Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset.

 

Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three.

 

Massive worry for me that, all about sell on value, Debuchy excluded if he stayed his contract.

[Tiresias]

I wouldn't even mind if we were very competent at bringing in a load of players cheap and then selling on season after season, but this haphazard buy a few then if the good ones leave we look in massive trouble...Wigan somehow always churn up a few gems (may be getting beyond them this season actually)

[Skeletor]

“If I’m honest, I was quite happy about it [being sacked by Southampton].” “I thought I’d done a good job, but it was proving to be very, very difficult to work with the owner.” “I wouldn’t have jumped before I was pushed, but it was a difficult period working with Mr Cortese.”

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Value is obviously massively important, but I don't think it's fair to say the team needs are totally neglected. We needed goals, we got Cisse. We needed a RB and we got one, albeit too late.

 

Finances are very important to the regime obviously, but that has also led to some great signings.

[Skeletor]

Wullie is spot on. Too often we have to make do with gaping holes in our squad because the selling club wanted 'too much money' or agents wanted paying. There's being sensible and then there's just plain penny pinching. This is our 4th window needing a centre half (we need 2 really) and yet Pardew is saying it doesn't look like we'll get one again.

[Wullie]

Value is obviously massively important, but I don't think it's fair to say the team needs are totally neglected. We needed goals, we got Cisse. We needed a RB and we got one, albeit too late.

 

Finances are very important to the regime obviously, but that has also led to some great signings.

 

Give over man, since we bought Coloccini in 2008, we've spent money on one centre half. One!