Guest icemanblue Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Cabaye wasn't injured. He'd just done a bloody bicycle kick ffs He also seemed upset at being hooked when he looked across and saw his number up. He asked to come off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Did someone just try "You weren't at the game so your opinion is not valid"? Been a while. No, somebody is suggesting that you're talking out of your arse as it's easy to sit in your nice warm living room rather than sitting in the freezing cold, having spent a lot of money on a season ticket only to see an idiot turn a win into a defeat. Whilst I've never been a fan of quotes along the lines of ‘armchair football fan’ and the likes, I do believe it would hurt more having paid hard earned money to watch some of the shite we’ve put on this season. I’ve not been able to attend a match for a couple of years now, living in Hull and having 2 young kids and a wife who works Saturdays isn’t ideal for a football fan. I’m not a Geordie, my Grandad was and made sure I grew up supporting his team and despite putting up with so much shit over the last 20 years I wouldn’t have it any other way. I digress, my point is that it hurts like fuck the way we’re playing at the moment and I’m not a born and bred Geordie like I imagine a lot of you are, I’d hate to think how the true Geordie ST holders are feeling if I feel like this about our season. The quote above “It's easy to sit in your nice warm living room rather than sitting in the freezing cold, having spent a lot of money on a season ticket only to see an idiot turn a win into a defeat” I can completely agree with, in the right context Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Cabaye wasn't injured. He'd just done a bloody bicycle kick ffs He also seemed upset at being hooked when he looked across and saw his number up. players have carried on for a bit with broken legs etc, pardew rightly or wrongly believed cabye to be injured according to reports. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Pre planned subs if we were winning Stuck to his plan ignoring what was happening on the pitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 "It is unfair to blame the manager when it was me who made the decision. I was afraid about my groin. I have come back from surgery and did not want to get pain again. I am not worried now because I came off. I think I will be all right. "I asked to come off because my groin became tight. I didn't want to take any risks on my first start for so long. I have come back much earlier than was planned. The pitch was very heavy. I think it was the right decision for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Nope. All I'm seeing, still, is "You didn't go to the game so you're wrong". I'm sorry you were cold. You would have been wrong even if you did go, at least you would have understood the context of watching the team throw 3 points down the drain, 3 points which were ours for the taking as we were crusing through the game. People were getting frustrated because they knew what the manager was doing and most knew what the expected outcome was going to be. Probably everybody except for you and Pardew, that is. isn't he saying that cabaye was injured and the crowd reacted as if it was tactical and the marveaux sub was a mystery to him aswell ? That's pretty much it. To boo the change sends the message "What's he doing bringing Cabaye off!?" when in fact it was 100% clear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Nope. All I'm seeing, still, is "You didn't go to the game so you're wrong". I'm sorry you were cold. You would have been wrong even if you did go, at least you would have understood the context of watching the team throw 3 points down the drain, 3 points which were ours for the taking as we were crusing through the game. People were getting frustrated because they knew what the manager was doing and most knew what the expected outcome was going to be. Probably everybody except for you and Pardew, that is. isn't he saying that cabaye was injured and the crowd reacted as if it was tactical and the marveaux sub was a mystery to him aswell ? That's pretty much it. To boo the change sends the message "What's he doing bringing Cabaye off!?" when in fact it was 100% clear i was there, it wasn't 100% clear at the time. to myself and who i sit with it seemed like taking him off as he just come back rather than having to take him off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Although he made the wrong decisions both Perch and Bigirimana were both very poor when they came on, the one thing they should have been doing - harrying, pressing, getting tackles in they weren't even doing to an acceptable standard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Nice of Cabaye to say that (after the game presumably), but that's not what I saw. Could be wrong though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 isn't he saying that cabaye was injured and the crowd reacted as if it was tactical and the marveaux sub was a mystery to him aswell ? Again context, he's just taken off Marveaux for Perch and how was anybody in the crowd supposed to know why Cabaye had been taken off considering he was showing no signs of distress. Both substitutions were negative and both looked as if they were because we were trying to hold on to, firstly 3 points then a point. Both substitutions were for players who could attack being replaced with players who are more suited to defending and they weren't needed. Pardew could have swapped Marveaux or Cabaye for Ranger, Obertan or Sammy if he wanted us to go forward. Pardew had options even if he refuses to acknowledge that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Pre planned subs if we were winning Stuck to his plan ignoring what was happening on the pitch pretty much how it saw it at the time, not so sure now given cabayes comments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Nope. All I'm seeing, still, is "You didn't go to the game so you're wrong". I'm sorry you were cold. You would have been wrong even if you did go, at least you would have understood the context of watching the team throw 3 points down the drain, 3 points which were ours for the taking as we were crusing through the game. People were getting frustrated because they knew what the manager was doing and most knew what the expected outcome was going to be. Probably everybody except for you and Pardew, that is. isn't he saying that cabaye was injured and the crowd reacted as if it was tactical and the marveaux sub was a mystery to him aswell ? That's pretty much it. To boo the change sends the message "What's he doing bringing Cabaye off!?" when in fact it was 100% clear In actual fact a few around me including myself suspected that Cabaye probably had an issue but were still p*ssed off because then the question became "well why the hell did you take Marveaux first if Cabaye had an issue?" Then to learn that he knew about this issue at half time makes it even more ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 isn't he saying that cabaye was injured and the crowd reacted as if it was tactical and the marveaux sub was a mystery to him aswell ? Again context, he's just taken off Marveaux for Perch and how was anybody in the crowd supposed to know why Cabaye had been taken off considering he was showing no signs of distress. Both substitutions were negative and both looked as if they were because we were trying to hold on to, firstly 3 points then a point. Both substitutions were for players who could attack being replaced with players who are more suited to defending and they weren't needed. Pardew could have swapped Marveaux or Cabaye for Ranger, Obertan or Sammy if he wanted us to go forward. Pardew had options even if he refuses to acknowledge that. the cabaye , the player has said himself he wanted/needed to come off. has anyone defended the marveaux sub ? perch for shola with marveaux pushing further up would've been the more obvious move. defensive mid for a forward but given the pwersonnel involved it would've been a morre balanced and attacking side also in readiness for cabaye to come off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Pre planned subs if we were winning Stuck to his plan ignoring what was happening on the pitch pretty much how it saw it at the time, not so sure now given cabayes comments. I can accept the Cabaye sub but still confused over marv. He knew fine well Cabs had just returned from a long lay off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Nice of Cabaye to say that (after the game presumably), but that's not what I saw. Could be wrong though. He'll have been told to say that by our beloved manager as he didn't mention any of this straight after the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Er... I watched the game? I was baffled when Marveaux went off, pretty f***ing upset when Cabaye went off and horribly unsurprised when they scored, just like anyone else supporting Newcastle but not necessarily sitting in the stadium. But it was immediately, like instantly, obvious to me that Cabaye must've been injured so I saw that as a stroke of awful luck, not related to the weird Marveaux substitution. As I've said in this thread (in the many posts since the one you picked out, over the course of which my opinion has evolved. Read them?), I think he f***ed up his subs. That point you highlighted was just that, no matter how disappointing it was, Cabaye going off could only ever be interpreted as a fitness issue so to interpret it as an actual decision of Pardew's would be crazy. Over the course of the thread, I've learned that Cabaye flagged up his injury at half time, which makes it seem substantially worse, but we didn't know that at the time. As I say, I've modified my position on this one as the thread's gone on but you don't seem to have read any of that You've got every right to hold your own opinion, you've got absolutely no right to tell others how they should or shouldn't react to any given situation. Things happen which builds up frustration and people vent that frustration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Nice of Cabaye to say that (after the game presumably), but that's not what I saw. Could be wrong though. Woah, someone get this man a tin foil hat, stat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 isn't he saying that cabaye was injured and the crowd reacted as if it was tactical and the marveaux sub was a mystery to him aswell ? Again context, he's just taken off Marveaux for Perch and how was anybody in the crowd supposed to know why Cabaye had been taken off considering he was showing no signs of distress. Both substitutions were negative and both looked as if they were because we were trying to hold on to, firstly 3 points then a point. Both substitutions were for players who could attack being replaced with players who are more suited to defending and they weren't needed. Pardew could have swapped Marveaux or Cabaye for Ranger, Obertan or Sammy if he wanted us to go forward. Pardew had options even if he refuses to acknowledge that. Because it's just so so obvious that you don't take off your best player and only remaining creative force unless you really have to. I don't see how you could draw any other conclusion other than he must be unable to continue. I agree that a more attacking player should've come on mind - Obertan for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Pre planned subs if we were winning Stuck to his plan ignoring what was happening on the pitch pretty much how it saw it at the time, not so sure now given cabayes comments. I can accept the Cabaye sub but still confused over marv. He knew fine well Cabs had just returned from a long lay off. everyone's confused by oy, i can't remember anyone defending it really even tollemache. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Nice of Cabaye to say that (after the game presumably), but that's not what I saw. Could be wrong though. He'll have been told to say that by our beloved manager as he didn't mention any of this straight after the game. ...and this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 isn't he saying that cabaye was injured and the crowd reacted as if it was tactical and the marveaux sub was a mystery to him aswell ? Again context, he's just taken off Marveaux for Perch and how was anybody in the crowd supposed to know why Cabaye had been taken off considering he was showing no signs of distress. Both substitutions were negative and both looked as if they were because we were trying to hold on to, firstly 3 points then a point. Both substitutions were for players who could attack being replaced with players who are more suited to defending and they weren't needed. Pardew could have swapped Marveaux or Cabaye for Ranger, Obertan or Sammy if he wanted us to go forward. Pardew had options even if he refuses to acknowledge that. the cabaye , the player has said himself he wanted/needed to come off. has anyone defended the marveaux sub ? I don't think that can be defended, really. It was a bizarre decision, no doubt prompted by the manager being nervous and desperate to get a win. The fact it had the opposite effect, to nobodies surprise, is the worry. To be fair, Pardew did say post match that it was the wrong choice. Irrespective of that, however, it's also a worry that he was willing to play Yohan the full 90. He needs to be wrapped in cotton wool for the next couple of weeks, at least. Hopefully he'll learn from this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 isn't he saying that cabaye was injured and the crowd reacted as if it was tactical and the marveaux sub was a mystery to him aswell ? Again context, he's just taken off Marveaux for Perch and how was anybody in the crowd supposed to know why Cabaye had been taken off considering he was showing no signs of distress. Both substitutions were negative and both looked as if they were because we were trying to hold on to, firstly 3 points then a point. Both substitutions were for players who could attack being replaced with players who are more suited to defending and they weren't needed. Pardew could have swapped Marveaux or Cabaye for Ranger, Obertan or Sammy if he wanted us to go forward. Pardew had options even if he refuses to acknowledge that. the cabaye , the player has said himself he wanted/needed to come off. has anyone defended the marveaux sub ? I don't think that can be defended, really. It was a bizarre decision, no doubt prompted by the manager being nervous and desperate to get a win. The fact it had the opposite effect, to nobodies surprise, is the worry. To be fair, Pardew did say post match that it was the wrong choice. Irrespective of that, however, it's also a worry that he was willing to play Yohan the full 90. He needs to be wrapped in cotton wool for the next couple of weeks, at least. Hopefully he'll learn from this. given cabaye's quotes what would have happened if he'd broke down later in the game, pardew would've been slated for that. i understand cabaye's sub, didn't at the time. marveauxs is still a bloody mystery, especially in light of the need to take cabaye off. edit, what can pardew learn in relation to cabye, all he can do is play him and go by what the player says. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Nice of Cabaye to say that (after the game presumably), but that's not what I saw. Could be wrong though. He'll have been told to say that by our beloved manager as he didn't mention any of this straight after the game. ...and this one. http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20130119/goal-but-no-glory-for-comeback-cab_2281670_3046871 No mention of injury. It's very amusing to see the same people desperately defending Pardew at every chance Like clockwork. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Who doesn't understand the Cabaye sub? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Er... I watched the game? I was baffled when Marveaux went off, pretty f***ing upset when Cabaye went off and horribly unsurprised when they scored, just like anyone else supporting Newcastle but not necessarily sitting in the stadium. But it was immediately, like instantly, obvious to me that Cabaye must've been injured so I saw that as a stroke of awful luck, not related to the weird Marveaux substitution. As I've said in this thread (in the many posts since the one you picked out, over the course of which my opinion has evolved. Read them?), I think he f***ed up his subs. That point you highlighted was just that, no matter how disappointing it was, Cabaye going off could only ever be interpreted as a fitness issue so to interpret it as an actual decision of Pardew's would be crazy. Over the course of the thread, I've learned that Cabaye flagged up his injury at half time, which makes it seem substantially worse, but we didn't know that at the time. As I say, I've modified my position on this one as the thread's gone on but you don't seem to have read any of that You've got every right to hold your own opinion, you've got absolutely no right to tell others how they should or shouldn't react to any given situation. Things happen which builds up frustration and people vent that frustration. You've got every right to express frustration if you're frustrated. I'll even defend your right to tell me I'm 'talking out of my arse'. Where did I tell people how they should react, as opposed to just giving my opinion? I said I couldn't believe people booed that change. If you interpret that as me ordering you about then I think you're being a bit sensitive, especially for someone with your tendency to wade in and take names. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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