Exiled in Texas Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 It's a case of timing. From a referee perspective you don't want to get your cards out too early (unless you absolutely have to) because then you have nowhere else to go. Once you have gone to the cards, you don't really have the no option to manage the game by talking to the players. So referees want to talk first and then move up to cards if that fails. At the time in the game of the "Foot to chest" there had not really been much for the referee to deal with. So he elected to keep his cards in his pocket and talk to the player. He would keep the cards for any escalation in incidents. Unfortunately, Tiote saw red with being held back, and then saw Red for the late tackle on Fletcher. Definately a card - just a decision of which color. And I think that reputation tilted the decision to Red. At this point the next violent tackle really will come under scrutiny, however there was nothing else really close to either the Larson or Tiote challenges. And so the remaining cards all went for niggling fouls and dissent as the referee wants to keep a lid on emotions/actions. (I thought he missed a foul and a card for the challenge in the back of Ba by Cuellar but seeing as he saw no foul, there was no card). It's a shame that these events in the game unfolded where they did - a change in order would have had very different reaction from the referee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 New Super HD photo from the match in thunderland yesterday... http://sportsbyte.sunderland.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/normal_nufc_v_safc.jpg 9-1. FTM!? No wonder we lost 9-1, the guy in the bottom right is quite clearly not a footballer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WashyGeordie Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 What was the Obrien song all about? Was it just the normal Liam, Andy etc etc? Just gathering my thoughts from yesterday, went to be at 8pm and slept through til 10am! It was just the song but we did it constantly for ages, proper bouncing and banging on metal at the back. Stopped a few times, but just got going again after complaining at ref or whatever. Was proper knackering, it was so fast. " 5under1and away 21/10/12 " on everyone's favourite video hosting website. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I bet it was like that in them days, no offside everyone piling round the box would be lush to watch these days, like the 5-1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 What was the Obrien song all about? Was it just the normal Liam, Andy etc etc? Just gathering my thoughts from yesterday, went to be at 8pm and slept through til 10am! It was just the song but we did it constantly for ages, proper bouncing and banging on metal at the back. Stopped a few times, but just got going again after complaining at ref or whatever. Was proper knackering, it was so fast. " 5under1and away 21/10/12 " on everyone's favourite video hosting website. canny, although doesnt do it justice cos you cant hear the banging on the back wall...and its not shaking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 What was the Obrien song all about? Was it just the normal Liam, Andy etc etc? Just gathering my thoughts from yesterday, went to be at 8pm and slept through til 10am! It was just the song but we did it constantly for ages, proper bouncing and banging on metal at the back. Stopped a few times, but just got going again after complaining at ref or whatever. Was proper knackering, it was so fast. " 5under1and away 21/10/12 " on everyone's favourite video hosting website. Sang too fast though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 The general consensus at my work is that Tiote's red card was deserved Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 The general consensus at my work is that Tiote's red card was deserved Do you work in Mike Baldwins knicker factory? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WashyGeordie Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 What was the Obrien song all about? Was it just the normal Liam, Andy etc etc? Just gathering my thoughts from yesterday, went to be at 8pm and slept through til 10am! It was just the song but we did it constantly for ages, proper bouncing and banging on metal at the back. Stopped a few times, but just got going again after complaining at ref or whatever. Was proper knackering, it was so fast. " 5under1and away 21/10/12 " on everyone's favourite video hosting website. Sang too fast though. Anar, it always is that song though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Made the point yesterday and have seen others say similar - if a mackem had done that to one of our lot would you have been screaming for a red card? I would and I'd have been pissed off if it wasn't given. Before anyone mentions Larsson, I did not see that incident. http://cdn.fourfourtwo.com/contentimages/interviews/Wenger1.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 The general consensus at my work is that Tiote's red card was deserved Do you work in Mike Baldwins knicker factory? They're arguing that if Fletcher's leg was on the ground then it's a leg breaker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slippery Sam Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 The general consensus at my work is that Tiote's red card was deserved Do you work in Mike Baldwins knicker factory? They're arguing that if Fletcher's leg was on the ground then it's a leg breaker. If Fletcher's leg had been on the ground then contact would not have been made. Fletcher kicked the ball away a nano-second before Tiote's boot came through. Fletcher's swinging leg made contact with Tiote's boot. As I said before, I can see why the ref gave the red card but I don't agree with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Was never a red imo, Shola getting kicked in the chest shortly before was worse and didn't even earn a yellow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 They're arguing that if Fletcher's leg was on the ground then it's a leg breaker. fools Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 The referee gave us fuck-all all game like, really added to the pressure on us in a way Sunderland's play couldn't. The ref's performance seemed legitimately biased. Pretty unbelievable that the home side got no yellow cards while we got 4 of them and a red as well, I thought they were just as dirty as us and certainly more persistent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliassenfredrik Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Unbelievable that Larsson and Colback didn't get booked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 The referee gave us f***-all all game like, really added to the pressure on us in a way Sunderland's play couldn't. The ref's performance seemed legitimately biased. Pretty unbelievable that the home side got no yellow cards while we got 4 of them and a red as well, I thought they were just as dirty as us and certainly more persistent. Half of our cards were for dissent due to complaining about the refs biased decisions. Apparently it's the same ref who thought De Jong's leg breaking 'tackle' on Ben Arfa wasn't worthy of a card. That explains why he didn't mind the Sunderland fouls on Ba, Shola and Santon to name but three. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I'm also shocked at the widespread agreement of the sending off. For me, it was completely wrong - didn't realise he did anything until after the card was shown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 that ref has an agenda against us. there can be no other explanation for allowing ben arfas leg break. sending off pardew, sending off tiote, ignoring Sunderlands head high wreckless chllenges, disgrace he is I wish he was dea...... erm hes shit I mean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I'm also shocked at the widespread agreement of the sending off. For me, it was completely wrong - didn't realise he did anything until after the card was shown. I really, really can't see how it was ever a red. In the heat of the moment I am biased towards us but then seeing it again and having calmed down a bit I will be like 'yeah, fair enough ' but that is never a red as far as I am concerned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliemort Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Frustrating as fuck that Pardew agrees with the red card Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Frustrating as fuck that Pardew agrees with the red card Haven't seen any of the post match stuff, surprised by that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Frustrating as f*** that Pardew agrees with the red card Standard Pardew media bullshit. I love his honest approach and how fair he often is but he comes out with a load of shit. Generally don't mind though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Frustrating as fuck that Pardew agrees with the red card Haven't seen any of the post match stuff, surprised by that! not really, he knows he cant change it, dosent want to give Oneil or the mackems an inch, so he holds his head up and brushes it off. not looking for any excuses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Frustrating as fuck that Pardew agrees with the red card To be honest - and it's not like me to stand up for Pardew's public statements - I'm glad Pardew didn't defend the challenge for 2 reasons: hopefully it will form part of an effort to calm Tiote down a bit behind closed doors; and more importantly I think the manager of a club of our size needs to choose their battles carefully when it comes to criticising referees in public and I personally don't think there was a hope in hell of getting the red card overturned. He needs to save his moaning for when it'll make a difference, it's not like we're Man Utd and having a go at referees will actually up the pressure on refs as a whole and have a 'positive' effect. Whether it was preferable for Pardew to not have been drawn either way on it is another matter though. Probably. He doesn't do that though, he'll always give an answer on anything that he's asked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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