QBG Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Krul 6 Simpson 5 Williamson 5 S.Taylor 6 Santon 6 Tiote 6 Anita 6 HBA 6.5 Sammy 4 Ferguson 5 Ba 6.5 Shola 6.5 Bigi 5 Marveaux 6 Really pissed off yet again, thought we were decent in the first half and but for a wonder save from their keeper from Ben Arfa we would have had the lead, still by the same token they always looked dangerous on the break. Early stages of the second half it looked like the goal was going to come, we were clearly on top and the crowd was in good voice. However, we soon fell to pieces and as soon as they capitalised on their spell of dominance it was all but over. It hasn't helped at all that we've never really been able to field a full strength side, but the lack of cohesion from a group of players that train with each other every day is absolutely shocking. As soon as they took the lead we couldn't string two passes together and the second goal was inevitable with how much possession they were allowed to have. Perhaps what has been most concerning over these past two weeks is that the mental strength that was all so evident last season isn't there at all. The Southampton game is absolutely vital if we are to have any chance of finishing close to where we did last season, but ironically I think our run of 'form' may come over Christmas for once. Having no Europa games for a while will be a bonus, and hopefully we will be able to gain some continuity and momentum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Our movement when in possession has been woeful. That has to be symptomatic of the hoof ball we resort to; we seem to have forgotten how to actually play. It's basic stuff we're now getting wrong. It needs sorting now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Krul 6 Simpson 5 Williamson 5 S.Taylor 6 Santon 6 Tiote 6 Anita 6 HBA 6.5 Sammy 4 Ferguson 5 Ba 6.5 Shola 6.5 Bigi 5 Marveaux 6 Really p*ssed off yet again, thought we were decent in the first half and but for a wonder save from their keeper from Ben Arfa we would have had the lead, still by the same token they always looked dangerous on the break. Early stages of the second half it looked like the goal was going to come, we were clearly on top and the crowd was in good voice. However, we soon fell to pieces and as soon as they capitalised on their spell of dominance it was all but over. It hasn't helped at all that we've never really been able to field a full strength side, but the lack of cohesion from a group of players that train with each other every day is absolutely shocking. As soon as they took the lead we couldn't string two passes together and the second goal was inevitable with how much possession they were allowed to have. Perhaps what has been most concerning over these past two weeks is that the mental strength that was all so evident last season isn't there at all. The Southampton game is absolutely vital if we are to have any chance of finishing close to where we did last season, but ironically I think our run of 'form' may come over Christmas for once. Having no Europa games for a while will be a bonus, and hopefully we will be able to gain some continuity and momentum. It looked as if Krul was the busier keeper of the two, if they could shoot we could have been well beaten by half time. Krul dropped a massive bollock for the first goal, I still think he kept us in it before and after that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QBG Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Krul 6 Simpson 5 Williamson 5 S.Taylor 6 Santon 6 Tiote 6 Anita 6 HBA 6.5 Sammy 4 Ferguson 5 Ba 6.5 Shola 6.5 Bigi 5 Marveaux 6 Really p*ssed off yet again, thought we were decent in the first half and but for a wonder save from their keeper from Ben Arfa we would have had the lead, still by the same token they always looked dangerous on the break. Early stages of the second half it looked like the goal was going to come, we were clearly on top and the crowd was in good voice. However, we soon fell to pieces and as soon as they capitalised on their spell of dominance it was all but over. It hasn't helped at all that we've never really been able to field a full strength side, but the lack of cohesion from a group of players that train with each other every day is absolutely shocking. As soon as they took the lead we couldn't string two passes together and the second goal was inevitable with how much possession they were allowed to have. Perhaps what has been most concerning over these past two weeks is that the mental strength that was all so evident last season isn't there at all. The Southampton game is absolutely vital if we are to have any chance of finishing close to where we did last season, but ironically I think our run of 'form' may come over Christmas for once. Having no Europa games for a while will be a bonus, and hopefully we will be able to gain some continuity and momentum. It looked as if Krul was the busier keeper of the two, if they could shoot we could have been well beaten by half time. Krul dropped a massive bollock for the first goal, I still think he kept us in it before and after that. I suppose the first half is open to interpretation, we did most of the pressing imo, but they cut us apart time and again and created the more clear cut chances. Thought Krul was ok, at fault for the first, but I'm not even sure how the second went in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 If Stone Cold Steve Stone is our attacking coach he can go with Woodman. Sorry if I've missed something but what's the problem with Woodman? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 The first goal went something like this: Newcastle goal kick. Santon comes short in vast space and offers to receive it short from Krul, who tells him to go away and prepares to go long. I go mental. Kicks it long, they win the second ball and nearly score, win a corner. Second corner, NUFC goal kick. Santon offers himself short again, Krul tells him to go away. I go apopleptic. Kicks it long, they win second ball, we are forced to go back to Krul under pressure. Miskick as he tries to go long again. Goal. I burst blood vessel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 If Stone Cold Steve Stone is our attacking coach he can go with Woodman. Sorry if I've missed something but what's the problem with Woodman? Krul's kicking. It's worse now than it ever has been and it's infuriating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexthegreat Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 4-2-4 for the whole second half and we still rarely threatened the goal. Formation has very little to do with that performance. The passing was utterly atrocious throughout. Ba, Krul, Ben Arfa, the Ameobis, Bigirmana when he came on, and of course Williamson. Ben Arfa's dribbiling is fantastic, but he too often lets himself down with a sloppy pass and I think only one of his shots was on target. That is not that unusual either. Doesn't matter which team we are playing, they know to stand off Williamson and just let him have it - the ball will soon be chipped straight to their centre half. As a result he touches the ball far more than any other player in the side. Barcelona have Xavi on the ball more than anyone, we have Williamson. The sad fact is, that while some bemoan our direct style, our real undoing comes when our overrated players start trying to pass the ball to each other. Theres quite a few things wrong with this side atm, but more than anything they are missing a real target man to help them play the direct style that naturally suits them. Pardew was right to try and sign Carroll in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 If Stone Cold Steve Stone is our attacking coach he can go with Woodman. Sorry if I've missed something but what's the problem with Woodman? Krul's kicking. It's worse now than it ever has been and it's infuriating. Yeah, it's always been very poor and I said last season it should be worked on in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 There was absolutely no reason to bring on Shola. None in the slightest. I disagree. Sammy was s***. Unfortunately it was Ferguson that went off. Shola coming on was the product of a stupid starting 11. Sammy had a nightmare, he should have made way not Ferguson but not for Shola FFS! If we didn't have 2 left midfielders on from the start we probably wouldn't have had to. However we showed little threat and whenever that happens, Pards punts it to Shola. We had Abeid, Amalfitano, Bigi and Marveaux on the bench. One of them should have started. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 4-2-4 for the whole second half and we still rarely threatened the goal. Formation has very little to do with that performance. The passing was utterly atrocious throughout. Ba, Krul, Ben Arfa, the Ameobis, Bigirmana when he came on, and of course Williamson. Ben Arfa's dribbiling is fantastic, but he too often lets himself down with a sloppy pass and I think only one of his shots was on target. That is not that unusual either. Doesn't matter which team we are playing, they know to stand off Williamson and just let him have it - the ball will soon be chipped straight to their centre half. As a result he touches the ball far more than any other player in the side. Barcelona have Xavi on the ball more than anyone, we have Williamson. The sad fact is, that while some bemoan our direct style, our real undoing comes when our overrated players start trying to pass the ball to each other. Theres quite a few things wrong with this side atm, but more than anything they are missing a real target man to help them play the direct style that naturally suits them. Pardew was right to try and sign Carroll in the summer. A direct style naturally favours Cabaye, Cisse, Santon, Jonas, Tiote, Ben Arfa, Anita, Coloccini, Ba? The only one who suits a direct style is the manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Ba's strengths are probably better suited to a direct game, whereas Cisse is probably more effective in a more cultured set up. It's not surprising they don't gel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Ba will score in any system so long as he's used sparingly in accordance with his fitness levels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexthegreat Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 4-2-4 for the whole second half and we still rarely threatened the goal. Formation has very little to do with that performance. The passing was utterly atrocious throughout. Ba, Krul, Ben Arfa, the Ameobis, Bigirmana when he came on, and of course Williamson. Ben Arfa's dribbiling is fantastic, but he too often lets himself down with a sloppy pass and I think only one of his shots was on target. That is not that unusual either. Doesn't matter which team we are playing, they know to stand off Williamson and just let him have it - the ball will soon be chipped straight to their centre half. As a result he touches the ball far more than any other player in the side. Barcelona have Xavi on the ball more than anyone, we have Williamson. The sad fact is, that while some bemoan our direct style, our real undoing comes when our overrated players start trying to pass the ball to each other. Theres quite a few things wrong with this side atm, but more than anything they are missing a real target man to help them play the direct style that naturally suits them. Pardew was right to try and sign Carroll in the summer. A direct style naturally favours Cabaye, Cisse, Santon, Jonas, Tiote, Ben Arfa, Anita, Coloccini, Ba? The only one who suits a direct style is the manager. Of the 9 players you named 3 were not playing today. And I would Jonas, Tiote and Ba certainly suit a direct style of football. All 3 played when we overpowered Man United 11 months ago. I remember Santon was excellent in that match as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Really liked the look of Michu. That's the only thing I took out of this game. We're fucking wank and have been all season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 4-2-4 for the whole second half and we still rarely threatened the goal. Formation has very little to do with that performance. The passing was utterly atrocious throughout. Ba, Krul, Ben Arfa, the Ameobis, Bigirmana when he came on, and of course Williamson. Ben Arfa's dribbiling is fantastic, but he too often lets himself down with a sloppy pass and I think only one of his shots was on target. That is not that unusual either. Doesn't matter which team we are playing, they know to stand off Williamson and just let him have it - the ball will soon be chipped straight to their centre half. As a result he touches the ball far more than any other player in the side. Barcelona have Xavi on the ball more than anyone, we have Williamson. The sad fact is, that while some bemoan our direct style, our real undoing comes when our overrated players start trying to pass the ball to each other. Theres quite a few things wrong with this side atm, but more than anything they are missing a real target man to help them play the direct style that naturally suits them. Pardew was right to try and sign Carroll in the summer. Once again, I refer you to the side Keegan inherited from Allardyce. It took nearly two months for KK to get the side passing again after being coached out of it by Fat Sam. Whatever Kevin's faults he had balls big enough to accept the responsibility to encourage frightened players to start passing again, and it didn't come easy in the first weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 4-2-4 for the whole second half and we still rarely threatened the goal. Formation has very little to do with that performance. The passing was utterly atrocious throughout. Ba, Krul, Ben Arfa, the Ameobis, Bigirmana when he came on, and of course Williamson. Ben Arfa's dribbiling is fantastic, but he too often lets himself down with a sloppy pass and I think only one of his shots was on target. That is not that unusual either. Doesn't matter which team we are playing, they know to stand off Williamson and just let him have it - the ball will soon be chipped straight to their centre half. As a result he touches the ball far more than any other player in the side. Barcelona have Xavi on the ball more than anyone, we have Williamson. The sad fact is, that while some bemoan our direct style, our real undoing comes when our overrated players start trying to pass the ball to each other. Theres quite a few things wrong with this side atm, but more than anything they are missing a real target man to help them play the direct style that naturally suits them. Pardew was right to try and sign Carroll in the summer. Once again, I refer you to the side Keegan inherited from Allardyce. It took nearly two months for KK to get the side passing again after being coached out of it by Fat Sam. Whatever Kevin's faults he had balls big enough to accept the responsibility to encourage frightened players to start passing again, and it didn't come easy in the first weeks. He also got a front three of Owen, Viduka and Martins playing well, imagine what he'd do with Ben Arfa, Cisse and Ba. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Woeful match followed up with some even worse post-match quotes. We were once again done in the middle of the park and for long stretches of the first half appeared to be playing 4-1-3-2? Why on earth Anita is playing pretty much as an attacking mid is beyond me and having Sammy as a striker I bet the rationale for that was because he's simply tall. It's becoming comically bad and Pardew seems remarkably defiant, borderline rebellious in his persistence with a simply failing system. We don't have the players, yet they're just shoehorned into something. He's trying to simply just do what we did for large periods last year but we just don't have the same balance and to some extent, luck. This time we have better players and he seemingly does not know how to get them working together and seems petrified of going away from his beliefs. He just doesn't appear to be the right manager for our strategy as he can't adapt to the players, they have to adapt to him which is a recipe for disaster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 "They tried their very best against a good side in Swansea, who had a lot more experience on the pitch and that showed" This pissed me off a little too. Did they not have a 17 year old at left back or something? Sammy and Fergie were the only young players in the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 If Stone Cold Steve Stone is our attacking coach he can go with Woodman. Sorry if I've missed something but what's the problem with Woodman? Krul's kicking. It's worse now than it ever has been and it's infuriating. Yeah, it's always been very poor and I said last season it should be worked on in the summer. I got into a massive argument In Bruges about this and got vilified. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Serious? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 didn't think we were actually doing too bad till they scored, then we shit ourselves. theres a nervousness about us now that desperatly needs a win. it put to bed as few ideas though, santon on the right, ferguson should be given a run of games (he's had enough and needs time out before his confidence, which is draining by the minute, disappears irretrievably), sammi is ready and get it in the middle regardless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 didn't think we were actually doing too bad till they scored, then we s*** ourselves. theres a nervousness about us now that desperatly needs a win. it put to bed as few ideas though, santon on the right, ferguson should be given a run of games (he's had enough and needs time out before his confidence, which is draining by the minute, disappears irretrievably), sammi is ready and get it in the middle regardless. For all we weren't doing too badly, it was mainly down to Krul at one end and Ben Arfa at the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Utterly horrific once again. Pardews insistence on playing 442 because he doesn't have the bottle to tell Ba to play on the left of a three or fuck off is infuriating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 In fact he doesn't even have to play on the left. Just tell them to play as a 3 and do whatever the fuck they want. They're all good enough players to do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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