Flip Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Evans has become an excellent defender tbf Don't agree. He's a decent defender, but he's not an excellent defender in my mind. As an example, I wouldn't have him at our club... Why? He's only going to get better and he's a legitimately solid defender. Because nothing in my eyes suggest he's going to become a top top defender. In my eyes he's nothing more than a mid-table team central defender, which I realize doesn't sound quite right as he is playing for the number one team in England. I think the fact that they have conceded the most out of the top team somehow backs my argument, although it's not based on stats and purely on opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 http://www.offthepost.info/wp-content/uploads/Manchester-United-MUFC-MDMA-Both-Magic-570x427.jpg What a shit banner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Evans has become an excellent defender tbf Don't agree. He's a decent defender, but he's not an excellent defender in my mind. As an example, I wouldn't have him at our club... Why? He's only going to get better and he's a legitimately solid defender. Because nothing in my eyes suggest he's going to become a top top defender. In my eyes he's nothing more than a mid-table team central defender, which I realize doesn't sound quite right as he is playing for the number one team in England. I think the fact that they have conceded the most out of the top team somehow backs my argument, although it's not based on stats and purely on opinion. Because he's not easy on the eye and called Jonny Evans don't mean he isn't a very good defender.... can't believe i'm defending Man Yoo they have some very good players who don't get anywhere near enough credit. The way people talk you would think Carrick, Cleverly, Welbeck, Jones and Evans are complete shite. Was absolute gobsmacked with the amount of people who felt Madrid would steamroll through them, they are a very good team ( key word being team) and know how to win at this stage. You don't win as many games as they do by just being lucky and carrying average players along. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Is this Birtles doing the Dortmund game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Two "Get it in the box"'s in a minute answers my question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Evans has become an excellent defender tbf Don't agree. He's a decent defender, but he's not an excellent defender in my mind. As an example, I wouldn't have him at our club... Why? He's only going to get better and he's a legitimately solid defender. Because nothing in my eyes suggest he's going to become a top top defender. In my eyes he's nothing more than a mid-table team central defender, which I realize doesn't sound quite right as he is playing for the number one team in England. I think the fact that they have conceded the most out of the top team somehow backs my argument, although it's not based on stats and purely on opinion. Because he's not easy on the eye and called Jonny Evans don't mean he isn't a very good defender.... can't believe i'm defending Man Yoo they have some very good players who don't get anywhere near enough credit. The way people talk you would think Carrick, Cleverly, Welbeck, Jones and Evans are complete s****. Was absolute gobsmacked with the amount of people who felt Madrid would steamroll through them, they are a very good team ( key word being team) and know how to win at this stage. You don't win as many games as they do by just being lucky and carrying average players along. Wow, way to draw a conclusion from absolutely nothing. If anything I was defending Man U at the weekend and quite like their team. I find Carrick a very good players and the same goes for Welbeck, I really don't rate Evans as a top defender in our league, on the individual level I don't find anything about him excellent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Sorry only the Evans thing was aimed at you, the rest of my post was me ranting. Apoligise for any confusion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Amazing how the post-match coverage was all about De Gea 'coming of age' and 'overcoming all his critics'. Yeah, the critics being mostly you lot. Everthing has to be hyped up into a narrative. They couldn't just end the coverage and say good game, it was the DAVID DE GEA GAME. They knocked him down so they could build him back up again and make a story out of nothing. It wasn't even that great of a performance, he's had better in recent weeks for them. I agree with this, but imo there isn't a better natural shot stopper around. The saves he makes, most if not all wouldn't get to krul and worm were last season. i'd also say they had to do it more often. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Decent game that. Welbeck and De Gayer were great. Ronaldo was sexy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross magoo Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 It was a good gme like. Fergie was pretty bold sticking four forward players on from the start and keeping it that way most of the game. Meant that when he got his away goal they could afford to play a bit more cagey in the second half knowing that for all Madrid would love to throw the kitchen sink they'd have to keep four behind the ball. Both teams had good chances, could have gone either way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 It honestly bored the tits off me after it went to 1-1. Maybe I hyped it up too much in my head. Both teams played in a very ordinary way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Pretty boring 2nd half IMO, given the talent on the pitch. Real were scared of conceding again (they should have, when do you see RVP miskick from 12 yards out?) and Man Utd I thought did a very good job of keeping it solid. Thought Madrid suffered due to a lack of a proper striker on the pitch. Neither Benzema or Higuain did much and it felt like Ronaldo was trying to be both the creator and finisher. It works at Barca because of how insanely in sync the players are with each other, but that doesn't apply to the same degree with RM. Thus it all got a bit desperate and forced and frankly I thought Man Utd were relatively comfortable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 I felt the main reason Madrid suffered was due to a lack of width and quite frankly Fergie knew it too when you see him pick players who pack the middle. Ronaldo was central, Benzema/Higuain was, Ozil and Di Maria will operating centrally so it all got really congested. The fullbacks didn't have enough attacking ability to provide said width, Arbeloa is all defense and Coentrao while he had a good game he was never going to be a threat like Marcelo say could have done. Fergie clearly done his homework as Madrid have suffered with a lack of width all season long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 That Dortmund game was top notch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillClinton Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 That Dortmund game was top notch. Yup much more entertaining than Man U - Real in my opinion. It's a shame that Dortmund and Shakhtar drew each other because I would have been pulling for both of them to go far in this.. They are both pretty young, and entertaining teams unfortunate to play at the same time as ManU and Real. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 I would agree with you guys but the non-Americans wouldn't like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Real Madrid weren't up to much, and couldn't deal with Man U's deep defending, it was as if the managers were switched. Man Yoo are a very well drilled well managed team that get the best out of their players. Their defence did impress me (apart from Rafael who was a liability all night), and they were nearly clinical enough to get a win. Real were too narrow, their goal came from out wide and needed more like that, too often just seemed to try and run at Man yoo and messi it through. Conceeding that goal was disasterous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 So weird that Real Madrid basically gave up on the wings when it was obvious it was ManU's main weakness (they scored from a cross afterall), but with Marcelo out they have lost a lot of width. Why Cristiano went through the middle when Rafael had been poor and was on a yellow I also don't understand. A good result for ManU, although Real Madrid did look the better team; let's see if OT is all what's cracked up to be... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 I thought Man Utd looked much more dangerous than Real Madrid tbh. Real seemed to stop really trying after they got it to 1-1, when they should have realised that 1-1 in that situation is a poor result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 It's not a poor result because they're the best counter attacking team on the planet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 But they can't afford to go away and play on the counter. They need to take the game to Man U and score. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Miguel Piñero Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Don't really have many ideas when theyre not allowed to play on the counter, Ronaldo's shoot from anywhere policy is basically their plan b. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Don't really have many ideas when theyre not allowed to play on the counter, Ronaldo's shoot from anywhere policy is basically their plan b. It is a massive problem for them tbh, when they counter they are lethal but when they asked to break teams down they struggle immensely. It has been a feature of them under Mourinho tbh, they have struggled all season against teams that defend deep and congest the middle of the pitch. One of the reasons why i rate Barca and Bayern higher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Fergie: 'Messi could never score a goal Cristiano scored yesterday' Repressed memories old man? http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01411/lionel-messi_1411502c.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Sir Alex is so old man you just have to take everything he says with a pinch of salt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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