Alan Pardew

[Stuy_O]

Excluding how Pardew has done - his appointment in the first place was Ashley's reign at Newcastle in a nutshell, or at least looks like it.  It suggested no ambition, a cheap and uncomplicated option, without any future risks or chances of disagreement. Everything done low cost.

 

Even if Ashley cut Pardew off tomorrow, who would genuinely reckon he'd appoint someone for the good of Newcastle United, rather than his balance sheet? Look at the transfer dealings in January - he only spent that money due to the fact he was facing the prospect of relegation, if we'd have been comfortable mid table the new players wouldn't have arrived. At the start of the season when Pardew was queried about emulating a 5th placed finish he replied something like 'Mike wants to do it again but with less money'.

 

Tells you everything.

[Dave]

If anyone is of the opinion that the manager should be given more time, do they not support the stability argument by default? Even more so if they're more worried about who the replacement would be than anything else.

 

And Moyes has been used as an example plenty of times.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

you are very much in strong favour of Pardew getting another season just as much as others want him sacked.

 

any specific reason why you share these views. im curious.  injuries and last season 5th finish?

 

Pardew is a prick.  I've never liked him.  It was a sad day for me when he was appointed.

 

We replaced one average manager with another average manager, but at least the last one was likeable. 

 

People are getting very worked up over ousting the bloke...so we can get another middle of the road jouneyman in to peddle mediocrity.

 

What's the point in that?

 

you point is you want him to stay solely based on the assumption if sacked Ashley will replace him with another journeyman? 

 

He doesn't "want him to stay" FFS...

 

based on that i assume he prefer him to stay, unless you speak for HF or you are the same person.

 

What? Just because you don't understand what he's saying and I do..

 

mind telling me what his crack is since you two know each other so well

 

HF been on here putting up his side of views...  basically saying,  pardew is not a bad manager but he wants to sacked?

 

if im mistaken then you can cleared it up for me.

 

*Sigh*

 

His argument is simply that many of the criticisms against Pardew are not factually correct, and that to suggest he's simply s*** is a gross oversimplification of why our season has been such a big disappointment. He's even saying he doesn't like him as a manager, but is willing to conceed there are mitigating circumstances that explain at least in part why we have been as bad as we have. Doesn't equal to him wanting Pardew to remain our manager by any stretch of the imagination, unless you just can't or aren't willing to understand what he's actually saying.

 

Is he fuck, he's just trying to look clever with some naff and pointless graphs and charts.

 

All of the arguments against Pardew are factually correct btw. how can you argue he is not shit.

 

Just because we have played a few less long balls of late does not mean Pardew isn't a long ball man. Just because we beat QPR away doesn't suddenly mean we are kings of the capital. Just because Ba doesn't get a game for Chelsea doesn't mean he's shit. Just because HF posts some graphs and charts doesn't mean he has a point because he doesn't.

 

His point is akin to me jumping into the car thread and telling someone whose Corsa is shit isn't all that bad because statistically they are the 7th most reliable car after winter...

 

Means fuck all.

[Dr Venkman]

so what is Happy Face and Unbelievable's crack?

 

they dont like people bad mouthing pardew but they too want him gone?

 

is that it?

 

Bad mouth all you like, but I keep my criticisms based upon reality.

 

Hitler was shit, he killed 6 million jews. Fine by me

 

Hitler was shit, he killed every jew in the world.  Not quite right.

 

Did I get the first mention of Hitler in this thread?

 

Ok, it's been interesting, I'm out.

[Dave]

you are very much in strong favour of Pardew getting another season just as much as others want him sacked.

 

any specific reason why you share these views. im curious.  injuries and last season 5th finish?

 

Pardew is a prick.  I've never liked him.  It was a sad day for me when he was appointed.

 

We replaced one average manager with another average manager, but at least the last one was likeable. 

 

People are getting very worked up over ousting the bloke...so we can get another middle of the road jouneyman in to peddle mediocrity.

 

What's the point in that?

 

you point is you want him to stay solely based on the assumption if sacked Ashley will replace him with another journeyman? 

 

He doesn't "want him to stay" FFS...

 

based on that i assume he prefer him to stay, unless you speak for HF or you are the same person.

 

What? Just because you don't understand what he's saying and I do..

 

mind telling me what his crack is since you two know each other so well

 

HF been on here putting up his side of views...  basically saying,  pardew is not a bad manager but he wants to sacked?

 

if im mistaken then you can cleared it up for me.

 

*Sigh*

 

His argument is simply that many of the criticisms against Pardew are not factually correct, and that to suggest he's simply s*** is a gross oversimplification of why our season has been such a big disappointment. He's even saying he doesn't like him as a manager, but is willing to conceed there are mitigating circumstances that explain at least in part why we have been as bad as we have. Doesn't equal to him wanting Pardew to remain our manager by any stretch of the imagination, unless you just can't or aren't willing to understand what he's actually saying.

 

i havent read all his post, i assumed he was a WUM in the beggining, i do agree not all the things used to beat him with a stick are true.  But HF does go through a lot of trouble to make his side of the argument.  Why does he feel that strongly.

 

[littlelunchbox]

so what is Happy Face and Unbelievable's crack?

 

they dont like people bad mouthing pardew but they too want him gone?

 

is that it?

 

Bad mouth all you like, but I keep my criticisms based upon reality.

 

Hitler was s***, he killed 6 million jews. Fine by me

 

Hitler was s***, he killed every jew in the world.  Not quite right.

 

Did I get the first mention of Hitler in this thread?

 

whats with the angst?  jesus. 

[littlelunchbox]

'Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies[1][2]) is an assertion made by Mike Godwin in 1990[2] that has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[2][3] In other words, Godwin said that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes a comparison to Hitler or the Nazis.

Although in one of its early forms Godwin's law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions,[4] the law is now often applied to any threaded online discussion, such as forums, chat rooms and blog comment threads, and has been invoked for the inappropriate use of Nazi analogies in articles or speeches.[5]'

 

'There are many corollaries to Godwin's law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself)[3] than others.[1] For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress.'

 

From Wiki.

 

little bit unfair on HF but i see your point.

[TaylorJ_01]

Is Hitler our new manager?

[Guest icemanblue]

Can we just stop the bickering for a moment to establish what the fuck the deal is with this littlelunchbox guy?

[Unbelievable]

You've just made an argument up and claimed it was being used by posters on here, and you can't be arsed to prove it, because you know you can't. Nobody has claimed they want him to remain our manager, let alone for stability reasons.

 

 

The only reasons I ever see for keeping Pardew is "stability", "the players/board like him" and "Ashley can't appoint a good manager". I don't recall one person saying we'll actually improve on the pitch if he stays. That should be the first reason people give for him staying as that's the most important thing but alas...

 

Fair point.

 

But... last season he was decent. The football was decent too. I know this season has been awful but none of us know which way next season would go under Pardew. We can't know.

 

Since we can't know what kind of football we'll have until we're playing it, the only stuff that matters are the external factors like stability and relationships in the club.

 

 

 

 

Wow, you found a post where the words Pardew and stability are used in the same sentence. Now point me to the part where said poster says he wants Pardew to stay. At the very most LA seems resigned to Pardew staying.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

so what is Happy Face and Unbelievable's crack?

 

they dont like people bad mouthing pardew but they too want him gone?

 

is that it?

 

Bad mouth all you like, but I keep my criticisms based upon reality.

 

Hitler was s***, he killed 6 million jews. Fine by me

 

Hitler was s***, he killed every jew in the world.  Not quite right.

 

Did I get the first mention of Hitler in this thread?

 

So your point would be that Hitler didn't kill all the jews and therefore shouldn't be criticised on that?

 

 

You jumped straight into this thread with the big I am look at me with my graphs showing how we play less long balls now bollocks to counter what exactly?

 

The thousands of people who say we DON'T PLAY FEWER LONG BALLS NOW?

 

Like the millions of people who say Hitler killed all them jews?!

 

Mind its quite apt you've brought arguably the second most evil name in this topic into the topic.

 

Pardew being number 1 villain of course!

 

[Happy Face]

If anyone is of the opinion that the manager should be given more time, do they not support the stability argument by default? Even more so if they're more worried about who the replacement would be than anything else.

 

And Moyes has been used as an example plenty of times.

 

If a manager is equipped with all the tools he needs and fails he serves the sack. Pardew will likely see this fate next year....if he's supplied with a good striker/cab.

 

If a manager has spent the season without the squad to compete. He deserves the chance at another whack.

 

Stability will not improve Pardews ability.

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

Can we just stop the bickering for a moment to establish what the f*** the deal is with this littlelunchbox guy?

 

Over compensating, innit.

[Unbelievable]

If anyone is of the opinion that the manager should be given more time, do they not support the stability argument by default? Even more so if they're more worried about who the replacement would be than anything else.

 

And Moyes has been used as an example plenty of times.

 

No. The stability argument for me is that stability in itself will lead to improved results over time as opposed to chopping and changing, which is what Dekka and Mike seem to suggest in their statement 8 months ago. As HF has stated, stability follows success, not the other way around.

[Hanshithispantz]

You've just made an argument up and claimed it was being used by posters on here, and you can't be arsed to prove it, because you know you can't. Nobody has claimed they want him to remain our manager, let alone for stability reasons.

 

 

The only reasons I ever see for keeping Pardew is "stability", "the players/board like him" and "Ashley can't appoint a good manager". I don't recall one person saying we'll actually improve on the pitch if he stays. That should be the first reason people give for him staying as that's the most important thing but alas...

 

Fair point.

 

But... last season he was decent. The football was decent too. I know this season has been awful but none of us know which way next season would go under Pardew. We can't know.

 

Since we can't know what kind of football we'll have until we're playing it, the only stuff that matters are the external factors like stability and relationships in the club.

 

 

 

 

Wow, you found a post where the words Pardew and stability are used in the same sentence. Now point me to the part where said poster says he wants Pardew to stay. At the very most LA seems resigned to Pardew staying.

You're just creating extra conditions in an attempt to weasel out of a couple of utterly moronic comments. I'm not going to sit and read old debates in the effort to keep satisfying these conditions, the fact I searched that out was bad enough

 

As Dave said the Moyes argument has been used, as has the Alex Ferguson argument, if you have missed these then fair enough, they have definitely happened though. Of course those people probably didn't really want Pardew to stay like, they were just resigned to it.

 

[Guest icemanblue]

Can we just stop the bickering for a moment to establish what the f*** the deal is with this littlelunchbox guy?

 

Over compensating, innit.

 

I don't think he's one of dem forriners, though.

[Unbelievable]

You've just made an argument up and claimed it was being used by posters on here, and you can't be arsed to prove it, because you know you can't. Nobody has claimed they want him to remain our manager, let alone for stability reasons.

 

 

The only reasons I ever see for keeping Pardew is "stability", "the players/board like him" and "Ashley can't appoint a good manager". I don't recall one person saying we'll actually improve on the pitch if he stays. That should be the first reason people give for him staying as that's the most important thing but alas...

 

Fair point.

 

But... last season he was decent. The football was decent too. I know this season has been awful but none of us know which way next season would go under Pardew. We can't know.

 

Since we can't know what kind of football we'll have until we're playing it, the only stuff that matters are the external factors like stability and relationships in the club.

 

 

 

 

Wow, you found a post where the words Pardew and stability are used in the same sentence. Now point me to the part where said poster says he wants Pardew to stay. At the very most LA seems resigned to Pardew staying.

You're just creating extra conditions in an attempt to weasel out of a couple of utterly moronic comments. I'm not going to sit and read old debates in the effort to keep satisfying these conditions, the fact I searched that out was bad enough

 

As Dave said the Moyes argument has been used, as has the Alex Ferguson argument, if you have missed these then fair enough, they have definitely happened though. Of course those people probably didn't really want Pardew to stay like, they were just resigned to it.

 

 

It's not a new condition. I said nobody has said they wanted Pardew to remain manager for reasons of stability right from the offset. You proved somebody used the word stability though, good on you.

 

Edit: second part of your post

[Flip]

 

Fair point.

 

But... last season he was decent. The football was decent too. I know this season has been awful but none of us know which way next season would go under Pardew. We can't know.

 

Since we can't know what kind of football we'll have until we're playing it, the only stuff that matters are the external factors like stability and relationships in the club.

 

The football was decent at times last season but he ditched what worked for us as soon as he could.  The football was also s*** at times last season.

 

More than shit at times. It's pretty clear a lot of people get blinded by results, and fair enough I guess, but still hate when some say we played very good football last season. It's not true, we finished 5th but we were nowhere near convincing for a big part of that season.

[Unbelievable]

 

Fair point.

 

But... last season he was decent. The football was decent too. I know this season has been awful but none of us know which way next season would go under Pardew. We can't know.

 

Since we can't know what kind of football we'll have until we're playing it, the only stuff that matters are the external factors like stability and relationships in the club.

 

The football was decent at times last season but he ditched what worked for us as soon as he could.  The football was also s*** at times last season.

 

More than s*** at times. It's pretty clear a lot of people get blinded by results, and fair enough I guess, but still hate when some say we played very good football last season. It's not true, we finished 5th but we were nowhere near convincing for a big part of that season.

 

I agree with that, but not many teams in the Premiership play consistently good football throughout a season, not even the ones finishing high up on the table.

[James]

I say give him longer, mostly because he is the closest any manager got to being a good manager for us over the past 8 years.

 

He is a damn lot better than Souness, Roeder, Allardyce, Keegan (MkII),  Kinnear, Shearer, and a little bit better than Hughton.

 

Who are these alternatives? Other PL managers that haven't amounted to anything? The next Jacques Santini? Or someone altogether unproven?

 

It has been a bad season, but the grass isn't always greener.

[taxfree]

I say give him longer, mostly because he is the closest any manager got to being a good manager for us over the past 8 years.

 

He is a damn lot better than Souness, Roeder, Allardyce, Keegan (MkII), Shearer, and a little bit better than Hughton.

 

Who are these alternatives? Other PL managers that haven't amounted to anything? The next Jacques Santini? Or someone altogether unproven?

 

It has been a bad season, but the grass isn't always greener.

 

[colinmk]

I say give him longer, mostly because he is the closest any manager got to being a good manager for us over the past 8 years.

 

He is a damn lot better than Souness, Roeder, Allardyce, Keegan (MkII),  Kinnear, Shearer, and a little bit better than Hughton.

 

Who are these alternatives? Other PL managers that haven't amounted to anything? The next Jacques Santini? Or someone altogether unproven?

 

It has been a bad season, but the grass isn't always greener.

 

I disagree with almost all of this but it's all been discussed before so no point going into it.

[Unbelievable]

Personally I'm convinced we can do better than Pardew. However, I don't trust Ashley to get the appointment right at all. Neither do I believe he will want to change manager at this time.

[arnonel]

3 months until next season.

 

This is going to be the longest, worst thread in the history of all forums.

 

 

[littlelunchbox]

lets not underestimate Ashley too much, maybe he is currently searching for the right man to replace him.

 

he replaced CH when no one expected it.. well ok with someone not much better but i assume he was under the impression that Pardew was an improvement.