Alan Pardew

[Dr Venkman]

I don't think it defending him he is right, he ca't say anything else really so be best if he said nothing until it was positive news.

 

He can though. He can say "we are in need of players". He's f***ed if he doesn't get any players in to cover his inadequacy. He can play it a lot of different ways, perhaps be more bullish and less scared to upset Ashley. He's hardly going to sack him for it, he's survived last season.

 

Something like this, you mean?

 

"A big player coming in boosts the group as well as the fans," Pardew said.

 

"I'm not going to say something that I don't think is true and say, 'oh, it's not affecting them'.

 

"I think they'd like to see another striker come in the door.

 

"That's something that hopefully will be done before the window shuts.''

 

If hardly class the word "hopefully" as congruent with a bullish stance on transfers. It's the same as the summer in terms of tone and content of his quotes. He needs players, simple as that. If he's content to "go with what we've got" he's going to experience great difficulty this season.

 

Why is he saying he, and the players, want new players if he's happy to go with what he's got? The quote, that you posted, was:

 

“If it doesn’t happen (new signings), like everything in life we are going to have to get on with it, with what we have got".

 

Does that really read as if he's happy to go with what he's got?

 

On face value no, but it's not like we haven't been here before. These sort or quotes were prevalent last summer and preceded our lack of spending on transfers. He doesn't need to say anything, he should be banging the drum for new signings, stressing that it's  absolutely imperative. The press is really his only outlet to do this.

 

It just smacks of him preparing for the backlash to me.

 

So he should do it in the press, causing more disruption and unrest, rather than face to face with the owner? Which, I imagine, he was doing earlier in the week.

 

Vivid imagination.

 

Thanks. But, really, what do you think was discussed in the meeting? Not reckon transfers might have been on the agenda?

 

Yeah, I'm sure they were discussed. How much pressure do you think he's putting on Ashley in private? I imagine next to none.

 

I think he probably put his case across, like. That doesn't seem too far a stretch. May have even appeared somewhat desperate. Doubt he was the only one, either.

 

Let's be realistic. It means fuck all though, doesn't it?

[Guest icemanblue]

I don't think it defending him he is right, he ca't say anything else really so be best if he said nothing until it was positive news.

 

He can though. He can say "we are in need of players". He's f***ed if he doesn't get any players in to cover his inadequacy. He can play it a lot of different ways, perhaps be more bullish and less scared to upset Ashley. He's hardly going to sack him for it, he's survived last season.

 

Something like this, you mean?

 

"A big player coming in boosts the group as well as the fans," Pardew said.

 

"I'm not going to say something that I don't think is true and say, 'oh, it's not affecting them'.

 

"I think they'd like to see another striker come in the door.

 

"That's something that hopefully will be done before the window shuts.''

 

If hardly class the word "hopefully" as congruent with a bullish stance on transfers. It's the same as the summer in terms of tone and content of his quotes. He needs players, simple as that. If he's content to "go with what we've got" he's going to experience great difficulty this season.

 

Why is he saying he, and the players, want new players if he's happy to go with what he's got? The quote, that you posted, was:

 

“If it doesn’t happen (new signings), like everything in life we are going to have to get on with it, with what we have got".

 

Does that really read as if he's happy to go with what he's got?

 

On face value no, but it's not like we haven't been here before. These sort or quotes were prevalent last summer and preceded our lack of spending on transfers. He doesn't need to say anything, he should be banging the drum for new signings, stressing that it's  absolutely imperative. The press is really his only outlet to do this.

 

It just smacks of him preparing for the backlash to me.

 

So he should do it in the press, causing more disruption and unrest, rather than face to face with the owner? Which, I imagine, he was doing earlier in the week.

 

Vivid imagination.

 

Thanks. But, really, what do you think was discussed in the meeting? Not reckon transfers might have been on the agenda?

 

Yeah, I'm sure they were discussed. How much pressure do you think he's putting on Ashley in private? I imagine next to none.

 

I think he probably put his case across, like. That doesn't seem too far a stretch. May have even appeared somewhat desperate. Doubt he was the only one, either.

 

Let's be realistic. It means fuck all though, doesn't it?

 

I guess we'll find out by September 2nd. I'm really hoping it does.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I mean, as long as he argues the case he's doing his job OK. He can't actually force Mike Ashley to sign cheques.

[BrettNUFC]

Can people not just look forward to West Ham and get behind them for a result, it's 2 days away yet we are still looking back at Monday ripping our side to shreds, negative 4 GD, bottom of the league, forget it, its over and done with, move on to the next game to see how we bounce back against more appropriate opposition levels.

 

f***ing hell man.

 

Saying judge us against West Ham Saturday evening, not Man City away? What's the f***ing hell man for? I would say that's a sensible thing to do? No? just me?

 

And ignore the last year?

 

And ignore the year before? Yeah lets go back through this all again. All i'm saying before we start jumping to conclusions this season is a write off after one game, just have a bit of patience till Saturday and see if we get the 3 points or not?

 

I'm not ignoring the year before. The 2011/12 season is a far less reliable sample period upon which to judge where are now than last season though. Especially since we have the same personnel as last season - not the same personnel as 2011/12. We also showed the same unwanted traits from last season in our first game (which have absolutely zilch to do with the oppositon) in our first game.

 

Far be it from me to take away your hope or tell children the tooth fairy doesn't exist.

If West Ham cut us open the way Silva did, i'll agree with you that we have a major problem, but i'm not prepared to slag our players off after a mauling by City which they could do to a fair few sides this season and they will. If the same signs occur at West Ham and they split our defence apart on a regular occasion and we don't seem to have any sort of attacking threat then i'll come back with negative comments about our management and players, until then i'm looking forward to West Ham, i'm excited for the season ahead and i really fancy to be celebrating 3 points in town on Saturday night.

[TaylorJ_01]

Can people not just look forward to West Ham and get behind them for a result, it's 2 days away yet we are still looking back at Monday ripping our side to shreds, negative 4 GD, bottom of the league, forget it, its over and done with, move on to the next game to see how we bounce back against more appropriate opposition levels.

 

f***ing hell man.

 

Saying judge us against West Ham Saturday evening, not Man City away? What's the f***ing hell man for? I would say that's a sensible thing to do? No? just me?

 

The wording is catastrophic man. West Ham weren't near us a few years ago.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Can people not just look forward to West Ham and get behind them for a result, it's 2 days away yet we are still looking back at Monday ripping our side to shreds, negative 4 GD, bottom of the league, forget it, its over and done with, move on to the next game to see how we bounce back against more appropriate opposition levels.

 

f***ing hell man.

 

Saying judge us against West Ham Saturday evening, not Man City away? What's the f***ing hell man for? I would say that's a sensible thing to do? No? just me?

 

And ignore the last year?

 

And ignore the year before? Yeah lets go back through this all again. All i'm saying before we start jumping to conclusions this season is a write off after one game, just have a bit of patience till Saturday and see if we get the 3 points or not?

 

I'm not ignoring the year before. The 2011/12 season is a far less reliable sample period upon which to judge where are now than last season though. Especially since we have the same personnel as last season - not the same personnel as 2011/12. We also showed the same unwanted traits from last season in our first game (which have absolutely zilch to do with the oppositon) in our first game.

 

Far be it from me to take away your hope or tell children the tooth fairy doesn't exist.

If West Ham cut us open the way Silva did, i'll agree with you that we have a major problem, but i'm not prepared to slag our players off after a mauling by City which they could do to a fair few sides this season and they will. If the same signs occur at West Ham and they split our defence apart on a regular occasion and we don't seem to have any sort of attacking threat then i'll come back with negative comments about our management and players, until then i'm looking forward to West Ham, i'm excited for the season ahead and i really fancy to be celebrating 3 points in town on Saturday night.

 

Similar feelings. I find it uncomfortable that we were shredded so easily by City, but it's an incredibly difficult opening fixture and they will murder many teams this season, no doubt a few by more than 4.

[BrettNUFC]

Can people not just look forward to West Ham and get behind them for a result, it's 2 days away yet we are still looking back at Monday ripping our side to shreds, negative 4 GD, bottom of the league, forget it, its over and done with, move on to the next game to see how we bounce back against more appropriate opposition levels.

 

f***ing hell man.

 

Saying judge us against West Ham Saturday evening, not Man City away? What's the f***ing hell man for? I would say that's a sensible thing to do? No? just me?

 

The wording is catastrophic man. West Ham weren't near us a few years ago.

 

People on here have tipped us to finish below West Ham? I'm saying we will finish above them? We can't compete with City, but we can compete with West Ham, it's that simple. Why judge our season on one game away to City, tearing us apart straight away, shocking man, fucking one game in which we spent 45 minutes with 10 men against arguably the best side in the league.

[merlin]

Can people not just look forward to West Ham and get behind them for a result, it's 2 days away yet we are still looking back at Monday ripping our side to shreds, negative 4 GD, bottom of the league, forget it, its over and done with, move on to the next game to see how we bounce back against more appropriate opposition levels.

 

f***ing hell man.

 

Saying judge us against West Ham Saturday evening, not Man City away? What's the f***ing hell man for? I would say that's a sensible thing to do? No? just me?

 

The f***ing hell man is for you saying 'more appropriate opposition levels'. The bit I bolded. It speaks for itself, it's just more pathetic snivelling s****. Lie all you want about judging us on 1 game this weekend, we both know that won't be the case if we don't get a result.

 

I can well understand why you bolded the bit about 'more appropriate opposition levels'.

 

To be honest, the amount of apathy and cringing to both the clubs policies and Pardew is beginning to do my head in. As a fan for more than 50 years and who has taken an active part in changing the club by being part of the movement to oust McKeag in the late 80s, I am beginning to feel it just wasn't worth the time and effort many of us put in because it seems that many fans today are quite prepared - and happy with - being cannon fodder for at least a quarter of the PL as well as believing that we are permanently a second rate club and lack any more potential than clubs like Leeds and Sheffield United. If we had all believed that, we would never have had the SJH and KK years, never had the signing of Alan Shearer or the CL years under SBR, but if people want to support a club that takes their money and tells them to be grateful for being in the PL as well as deliberately fielding weakened sides in the FA Cup so they can be kicked out by the likes of Brighton 2 seasons' running, good luck to them...they'll need it.

 

I often wonder if some people ever look at the gate figures we had during the 70s, when we didn't win anything but had some great players and played some great football too - we always have been one of the best supported clubs in Britain and had SJH got his wish about Leazes Park, would have had the second largest ground after Man U...you can blame that idiot Prescott for that, but I reckon many on here won't want to admit THAT.

 

Small-time thinking leads to small-time status in football - I just wonder what those who are content with the status quo will say if and when the club is bought out, hopefully by someone with more ambition as well as more money.

[Dr Venkman]

Can people not just look forward to West Ham and get behind them for a result, it's 2 days away yet we are still looking back at Monday ripping our side to shreds, negative 4 GD, bottom of the league, forget it, its over and done with, move on to the next game to see how we bounce back against more appropriate opposition levels.

 

f***ing hell man.

 

Saying judge us against West Ham Saturday evening, not Man City away? What's the f***ing hell man for? I would say that's a sensible thing to do? No? just me?

 

The wording is catastrophic man. West Ham weren't near us a few years ago.

 

People on here have tipped us to finish below West Ham? I'm saying we will finish above them? We can't compete with City, but we can compete with West Ham, it's that simple. Why judge our season on one game away to City, tearing us apart straight away, shocking man, fucking one game in which we spent 45 minutes with 10 men against arguably the best side in the league.

 

Who's judging our season on 1 game? We can compete with Man City on the pitch, with the right team selection and tactics. Calling them 'not appropriate' opposition is fucking embarrassing man.

[Guest reefatoon]

Can people not just look forward to West Ham and get behind them for a result, it's 2 days away yet we are still looking back at Monday ripping our side to shreds, negative 4 GD, bottom of the league, forget it, its over and done with, move on to the next game to see how we bounce back against more appropriate opposition levels.

 

f***ing hell man.

 

Saying judge us against West Ham Saturday evening, not Man City away? What's the f***ing hell man for? I would say that's a sensible thing to do? No? just me?

 

The wording is catastrophic man. West Ham weren't near us a few years ago.

 

People on here have tipped us to finish below West Ham? I'm saying we will finish above them? We can't compete with City, but we can compete with West Ham, it's that simple. Why judge our season on one game away to City, tearing us apart straight away, shocking man, f***ing one game in which we spent 45 minutes with 10 men against arguably the best side in the league.

 

Christ on a bike Brett, it wasn't the defeat that is worrying/pissing people off, it was the manner of the defeat man, is that really hard to grasp?  We looked dead and buried as soon as the whistle blew, that is the reason for the concern.  I don't want to look through the fixture list going "ahh these are top 4, we are going to get stuffed here, nevermind, we play a team in 17th next week, hurray"  If you can't understand that, then you are suffering at least 4 of the 7 major retardations.

[Beren]

Can people not just look forward to West Ham and get behind them for a result, it's 2 days away yet we are still looking back at Monday ripping our side to shreds, negative 4 GD, bottom of the league, forget it, its over and done with, move on to the next game to see how we bounce back against more appropriate opposition levels.

 

f***ing hell man.

 

Saying judge us against West Ham Saturday evening, not Man City away? What's the f***ing hell man for? I would say that's a sensible thing to do? No? just me?

 

And ignore the last year?

 

And ignore the year before? Yeah lets go back through this all again. All i'm saying before we start jumping to conclusions this season is a write off after one game, just have a bit of patience till Saturday and see if we get the 3 points or not?

 

I'm not ignoring the year before. The 2011/12 season is a far less reliable sample period upon which to judge where are now than last season though. Especially since we have the same personnel as last season - not the same personnel as 2011/12. We also showed the same unwanted traits from last season in our first game (which have absolutely zilch to do with the oppositon) in our first game.

 

Far be it from me to take away your hope or tell children the tooth fairy doesn't exist.

If West Ham cut us open the way Silva did, i'll agree with you that we have a major problem, but i'm not prepared to slag our players off after a mauling by City which they could do to a fair few sides this season and they will. If the same signs occur at West Ham and they split our defence apart on a regular occasion and we don't seem to have any sort of attacking threat then i'll come back with negative comments about our management and players, until then i'm looking forward to West Ham, i'm excited for the season ahead and i really fancy to be celebrating 3 points in town on Saturday night.

 

Brett, let’s rewind here: you asked why people couldn’t just move on to the next game and forget the Man City game. I’ve told you why people are dispirited (ie. what they’ve seen in the last year). So, beyond wanting Newcastle to do better against West Ham and beyond, do you have any reason based on demonstrable evidence to convince you (and us) that the team will do better? If not, why should everyone just move on and forget the Citeh game as though it were an irrelevance?

 

I’m all behind people wanting the best for West Ham, but to criticise people for venting legitimate grievances about the Man City game and what it represents about the team at present is not such a good move on your part in my view.

[Dr Venkman]

Can people not just look forward to West Ham and get behind them for a result, it's 2 days away yet we are still looking back at Monday ripping our side to shreds, negative 4 GD, bottom of the league, forget it, its over and done with, move on to the next game to see how we bounce back against more appropriate opposition levels.

 

f***ing hell man.

 

Saying judge us against West Ham Saturday evening, not Man City away? What's the f***ing hell man for? I would say that's a sensible thing to do? No? just me?

 

The f***ing hell man is for you saying 'more appropriate opposition levels'. The bit I bolded. It speaks for itself, it's just more pathetic snivelling s****. Lie all you want about judging us on 1 game this weekend, we both know that won't be the case if we don't get a result.

 

I can well understand why you bolded the bit about 'more appropriate opposition levels'.

 

To be honest, the amount of apathy and cringing to both the clubs policies and Pardew is beginning to do my head in. As a fan for more than 50 years and who has taken an active part in changing the club by being part of the movement to oust McKeag in the late 80s, I am beginning to feel it just wasn't worth the time and effort many of us put in because it seems that many fans today are quite prepared - and happy with - being cannon fodder for at least a quarter of the PL as well as believing that we are permanently a second rate club and lack any more potential than clubs like Leeds and Sheffield United. If we had all believed that, we would never have had the SJH and KK years, never had the signing of Alan Shearer or the CL years under SBR, but if people want to support a club that takes their money and tells them to be grateful for being in the PL as well as deliberately fielding weakened sides in the FA Cup so they can be kicked out by the likes of Brighton 2 seasons' running, good luck to them...they'll need it.

 

I often wonder if some people ever look at the gate figures we had during the 70s, when we didn't win anything but had some great players and played some great football too - we always have been one of the best supported clubs in Britain and had SJH got his wish about Leazes Park, would have had the second largest ground after Man U...you can blame that idiot Prescott for that, but I reckon many on here won't want to admit THAT.

 

Small-time thinking leads to small-time status in football - I just wonder what those who are content with the status quo will say if and when the club is bought out, hopefully by someone with more ambition as well as more money.

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I understand, and at the same time don't understand, this criticism of fans for 'accepting' our status.

 

Everyone knows we are a big club with bags of potential... but there are many of those around. And we bring in quite a lot of revenue, but we also have loads of debt and make mostly significant losses. Add to that, the top clubs in the PL have very significantly more money to spend, either because they are global brands with long records of success or because they have taken a shortcut by being owned by someone with infinite wealth.

 

For me it's not about expectations, it is what it is. We should aim to catch up with Man Utd, of course we should. But unless someone is going to spend hundreds of millions of their own money, it will take decades of steady progress.

 

Whether you think we're capable of that progress or not is a different debate, but I don't think 'accepting our status' or 'small-time' thinking are really that valid arguments.

[Darth Crooks]

Can people not just look forward to West Ham and get behind them for a result, it's 2 days away yet we are still looking back at Monday ripping our side to shreds, negative 4 GD, bottom of the league, forget it, its over and done with, move on to the next game to see how we bounce back against more appropriate opposition levels.

 

f***ing hell man.

 

Saying judge us against West Ham Saturday evening, not Man City away? What's the f***ing hell man for? I would say that's a sensible thing to do? No? just me?

 

The f***ing hell man is for you saying 'more appropriate opposition levels'. The bit I bolded. It speaks for itself, it's just more pathetic snivelling s****. Lie all you want about judging us on 1 game this weekend, we both know that won't be the case if we don't get a result.

 

I can well understand why you bolded the bit about 'more appropriate opposition levels'.

To be honest, the amount of apathy and cringing to both the clubs policies and Pardew is beginning to do my head in. As a fan for more than 50 years and who has taken an active part in changing the club by being part of the movement to oust McKeag in the late 80s, I am beginning to feel it just wasn't worth the time and effort many of us put in because it seems that many fans today are quite prepared - and happy with - being cannon fodder for at least a quarter of the PL as well as believing that we are permanently a second rate club and lack any more potential than clubs like Leeds and Sheffield United. If we had all believed that, we would never have had the SJH and KK years, never had the signing of Alan Shearer or the CL years under SBR, but if people want to support a club that takes their money and tells them to be grateful for being in the PL as well as deliberately fielding weakened sides in the FA Cup so they can be kicked out by the likes of Brighton 2 seasons' running, good luck to them...they'll need it.

 

I often wonder if some people ever look at the gate figures we had during the 70s, when we didn't win anything but had some great players and played some great football too - we always have been one of the best supported clubs in Britain and had SJH got his wish about Leazes Park, would have had the second largest ground after Man U...you can blame that idiot Prescott for that, but I reckon many on here won't want to admit THAT.

 

Small-time thinking leads to small-time status in football - I just wonder what those who are content with the status quo will say if and when the club is bought out, hopefully by someone with more ambition as well as more money.

 

Not sure where I stand on some of the rest of the post but that bit rings true. Far too many pragmatists letting acts of blatant disrespect and sheer folly go unanswered for. You can argue, modern football, what can we do? but christ, some of the shit this pack of vultures have gotten away with is disgusting. How the vast majority can be defended is beyond me.

[Ikon]

With the right people in charge it wouldn't take decades to challenge the top imo (challenge) Even without extremely silly spending.

[Dr Venkman]

This idea of a knee-jerk reaction to city as a one-off game needs to stop too.

 

It's bollocks, the reaction is a continuation of the rubbish we had to watch last season. Just as the reaction to the terrible team play last season was a continuation of the terrible team play we watched the season before (albeit with loads more magic and better results).

[BrettNUFC]

Can people not just look forward to West Ham and get behind them for a result, it's 2 days away yet we are still looking back at Monday ripping our side to shreds, negative 4 GD, bottom of the league, forget it, its over and done with, move on to the next game to see how we bounce back against more appropriate opposition levels.

 

f***ing hell man.

 

Saying judge us against West Ham Saturday evening, not Man City away? What's the f***ing hell man for? I would say that's a sensible thing to do? No? just me?

 

The wording is catastrophic man. West Ham weren't near us a few years ago.

 

People on here have tipped us to finish below West Ham? I'm saying we will finish above them? We can't compete with City, but we can compete with West Ham, it's that simple. Why judge our season on one game away to City, tearing us apart straight away, shocking man, f***ing one game in which we spent 45 minutes with 10 men against arguably the best side in the league.

 

Christ on a bike Brett, it wasn't the defeat that is worrying/pissing people off, it was the manner of the defeat man, is that really hard to grasp?  We looked dead and buried as soon as the whistle blew, that is the reason for the concern.  I don't want to look through the fixture list going "ahh these are top 4, we are going to get stuffed here, nevermind, we play a team in 17th next week, hurray"  If you can't understand that, then you are suffering at least 4 of the 7 major retardations.

 

Basically it was 45 minutes, Taylor killed the second half for us and made it a far greater challenge for his team mates. I don’t want to get into a great discussion. I’ve made my point, if we get beat off the top 4 away and get mauled off each one, I really couldn’t care less as long as we win the majority of our home games starting off on Saturday against West Ham and I’m right behind them to do so. If you lot want to concentrate on last season or still look back to Monday nights match, that’s entirely your decision, I on the other can’t wait for Saturday and have already forgotten and moved on from Monday and glad that game is over and done with.

 

[Dokko]

Should be interesting to see the reaction after west ham. At the best we will somehow find a win (maybe wham dont turn up, lucky early red card like againt wigan last season) and that'll be enough for some, or play dreadful and lose like we did most of last season. No gameplan, no movement, no cutting edge, silly mistakes, lack of concentration, lack of confidence, nothing off the bench, outfought and totally outplayed.

[Dave]

We can't compete with West Ham on signings though.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Should be interesting to see the reaction after west ham. At the best we will somehow find a win (maybe wham dont turn up, lucky early red card like againt wigan last season) and that'll be enough for some, or play dreadful and lose like we did most of last season. No gameplan, no movement, no cutting edge, silly mistakes, lack of concentration, lack of confidence, nothing off the bench, outfought and totally outplayed.

 

Wow. That's put me on a downer.

[BrettNUFC]

Should be interesting to see the reaction after west ham. At the best we will somehow find a win (maybe wham dont turn up, lucky early red card like againt wigan last season) and that'll be enough for some, or play dreadful and lose like we did most of last season. No gameplan, no movement, no cutting edge, silly mistakes, lack of concentration, lack of confidence, nothing off the bench, outfought and totally outplayed.

 

Don't know why you bother then with that attitude.

[Lotus]

I think WHam will be just a little bit too good for us. I'm hopeful of us getting a result against Fulham though.

[Dr Venkman]

Can people not just look forward to West Ham and get behind them for a result, it's 2 days away yet we are still looking back at Monday ripping our side to shreds, negative 4 GD, bottom of the league, forget it, its over and done with, move on to the next game to see how we bounce back against more appropriate opposition levels.

 

f***ing hell man.

 

Saying judge us against West Ham Saturday evening, not Man City away? What's the f***ing hell man for? I would say that's a sensible thing to do? No? just me?

 

The wording is catastrophic man. West Ham weren't near us a few years ago.

 

People on here have tipped us to finish below West Ham? I'm saying we will finish above them? We can't compete with City, but we can compete with West Ham, it's that simple. Why judge our season on one game away to City, tearing us apart straight away, shocking man, f***ing one game in which we spent 45 minutes with 10 men against arguably the best side in the league.

 

Christ on a bike Brett, it wasn't the defeat that is worrying/pissing people off, it was the manner of the defeat man, is that really hard to grasp?  We looked dead and buried as soon as the whistle blew, that is the reason for the concern.  I don't want to look through the fixture list going "ahh these are top 4, we are going to get stuffed here, nevermind, we play a team in 17th next week, hurray"  If you can't understand that, then you are suffering at least 4 of the 7 major retardations.

 

Basically it was 45 minutes, Taylor killed the second half for us and made it a far greater challenge for his team mates. I don’t want to get into a great discussion. I’ve made my point, if we get beat off the top 4 away and get mauled off each one, I really couldn’t care less as long as we win the majority of our home games starting off on Saturday against West Ham and I’m right behind them to do so. If you lot want to concentrate on last season or still look back to Monday nights match, that’s entirely your decision, I on the other can’t wait for Saturday and have already forgotten and moved on from Monday and glad that game is over and done with.

 

 

Christ on a bike, just because Taylor got sent off it doesn't mean we automatically would've gotten back into the game in the second half. We can't say we were only rubbish for 45 minutes because we only had 11 for 45 minutes

 

You've made your point, you don't use any logic or evidence to support your thinking on the way something's going to go.

[Dokko]

Should be interesting to see the reaction after west ham. At the best we will somehow find a win (maybe wham dont turn up, lucky early red card like againt wigan last season) and that'll be enough for some, or play dreadful and lose like we did most of last season. No gameplan, no movement, no cutting edge, silly mistakes, lack of concentration, lack of confidence, nothing off the bench, outfought and totally outplayed.

 

Wow. That's put me on a downer.

 

If we win it won't be a great win, it probably won't even be deserved, it will be tight and down to poor play or mistakes by wham. We aren't going to turn on some style or be organised not when we haven't done that now for over a year. Any kind of win might be enough to start the ball rolling and lift a few heads but even if it does its papering over the cracks and it'll only take a better organised team playing with confidence to see through it and put us right back where the team belongs under the current manager.

 

 

[Guest reefatoon]

Can people not just look forward to West Ham and get behind them for a result, it's 2 days away yet we are still looking back at Monday ripping our side to shreds, negative 4 GD, bottom of the league, forget it, its over and done with, move on to the next game to see how we bounce back against more appropriate opposition levels.

 

f***ing hell man.

 

Saying judge us against West Ham Saturday evening, not Man City away? What's the f***ing hell man for? I would say that's a sensible thing to do? No? just me?

 

The wording is catastrophic man. West Ham weren't near us a few years ago.

 

People on here have tipped us to finish below West Ham? I'm saying we will finish above them? We can't compete with City, but we can compete with West Ham, it's that simple. Why judge our season on one game away to City, tearing us apart straight away, shocking man, f***ing one game in which we spent 45 minutes with 10 men against arguably the best side in the league.

 

Christ on a bike Brett, it wasn't the defeat that is worrying/pissing people off, it was the manner of the defeat man, is that really hard to grasp?  We looked dead and buried as soon as the whistle blew, that is the reason for the concern.  I don't want to look through the fixture list going "ahh these are top 4, we are going to get stuffed here, nevermind, we play a team in 17th next week, hurray"  If you can't understand that, then you are suffering at least 4 of the 7 major retardations.

 

Basically it was 45 minutes, Taylor killed the second half for us and made it a far greater challenge for his team mates. I don’t want to get into a great discussion. I’ve made my point, if we get beat off the top 4 away and get mauled off each one, I really couldn’t care less as long as we win the majority of our home games starting off on Saturday against West Ham and I’m right behind them to do so. If you lot want to concentrate on last season or still look back to Monday nights match, that’s entirely your decision, I on the other can’t wait for Saturday and have already forgotten and moved on from Monday and glad that game is over and done with.

 

 

Absolutely clueless.