jdckelly Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 results-wise, % WLD where is he overall now? sure this has been posted but haven't seen it for a while Premier League only.... http://i39.tinypic.com/15nwqcg.jpg Considering what he took over and what he's done with it he's easily the worst on that list. What a cunt. Dalglish and Souness are worse, both took over after very successful periods and screwed up completely not sure i agree in some respects both managers you mention were tasked with changing a perceived failure in the methods of their predecessors (our 2 most successful managers of the era btw) and both failed at that...same for gullit tbh although KD wasn't successful gullit was expected to reverse the style of play and failed to do so nah, i'm sticking with my first statement, he's the worst of the lot - the players we have now would be tearing it up with anyone else, he's a fucking jonah man Daglish took over a side fighting for the title (including having the worlds most expensive player at the time) and when he left the club was mid table Souness took over a side competing around the european spots and left a woefully overpaid squad somewhere in lower midtable. How anyone can argue Pardew has done worse is beyond me. they fucked up more because they were in charge of their own transfer and made an utter shitsack of it pardew has been handed good players and a squad improving in quality since the moment he arrived, he's fucking incapable of managing it...it's contentious, i'll agree, and depends on what you value personally as to who you think has failed more - as i said imo KD and GS were both publicly tasked with righting the perceived faults of their predecessors and this was ultimately the only reason both were appointed pardew had none of this shit going on, he took over a team on the up with few expectations, the quality of player has improved and performances have dipped with the exception of the 5th season which surely ever fucker now has to see as a total freakshow Dalglish and Souness walked into sides with much better players than any we have now and cocked up completely leaving us a pale shadow of what we were. Face it nothing Pardews done anywhere near the damage that those 2 did to nufc. Souness in particular has to be vilified he walked into a side that had finished 5th the previous season (iirc) tore it apart and after being given a fortune to spend screwed up his spending completely and his transfers at best did okay at worst were complete disasters that left us with wage wise a champions league side but nowhere near those places and it was the first step to our eventual relegation. Look, I know what you're saying and the impact Souness had, for example, was obviously devastating long term but don't forget he was brought in to do what he did, very clearly by FS. Going in circles man. They're all shite, the point I'm making is the others signed the players that sealed their fates. If Pardew was given 50m to spend on who he wanted how do you think would go from there on in? Better or worse than Souness? No, he's been handed fillet steak and has served up fucking dog food. Since I'm of the opinion a well trained dog could have spent money better than Souness did obviously better. And no one got handed a better chance than him than Souness. What we have now and what Pardew has to work with is a team built not on any kind of intelligent plan or grand footballing philosophy what we got in a side built with two objectives 1 cheap 2 sell on. And it bloody shows the side is woefully imbalanced and severely lacking in key area's. This isn't any kind of squad that should automatically be competing around the european places its a side that stinks of mid table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 He would have bought Darren Bent. That alone would have contributed to doing worse than Souness and effectively sealed his fate while also leaving the club in a worse state by having him on the wage bill until he was 34 years old. The only thing im thrilled about, considering the predicament we are in, is that Pardew is not allowed to sign who he wants. Bet Southampton fans are glad he forced their chairman to lump 1 million on Lambert. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 He would have bought Darren Bent. That alone would have contributed to doing worse than Souness and effectively sealed his fate while also leaving the club in a worse state by having him on the wage bill until he was 34 years old. The only thing im thrilled about, considering the predicament we are in, is that Pardew is not allowed to sign who he wants. Well fucking said. Bent would have scored a few at the start too, I'm sure, like Remy. But he'd have been dragged down like the rest in the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Hang on, as much as I hate this fraud there's not a chance he even touches the damage Souness did. Kenny shouldn't even be compared to Pardew either, but for the opposite reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLK Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 As far as in concerned we were unlucky to lose the game and got unstuck by a super lucky fluke strike, there would have been only one team looking like was going to win it and it wasn't called Sunderland. End of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Ah, those super lucky strikes from 20 yards. We should just not bother closing down players outside the box in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 As far as in concerned we were unlucky to lose the game and got unstuck by a super lucky fluke strike, there would have been only one team looking like was going to win it and it wasn't called Sunderland. End of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 As far as in concerned we were unlucky to lose the game and got unstuck by a super lucky fluke strike, there would have been only one team looking like was going to win it and it wasn't called Sunderland. End of. Maybe they'll have another super lucky fluke strike and make it three wins in a row at St James. With Poyet stretching his super lucky fluke run to 6 wins over Pardypoops Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 "super lucky fluke strike" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 He would have bought Darren Bent. That alone would have contributed to doing worse than Souness and effectively sealed his fate while also leaving the club in a worse state by having him on the wage bill until he was 34 years old. The only thing im thrilled about, considering the predicament we are in, is that Pardew is not allowed to sign who he wants. Bet Southampton fans are glad he forced their chairman to lump 1 million on Lambert. Gabriel Obertan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manosdepiedra Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 That's an interesting take on it as the Pardew apologists would probably argue that he would be able to buy players which suited his long ball game more. I don't agree with it though, because I think he's a confused bloke who doesn't really have any convictions about football and probably changes his mind from week to week. So I reckon he'd still get us relegated. If we go down this season it will be entirely down to Mike Ashley. He appointed and continues to employ Alan Pardew,who, it is generally agreed in this 22k-post thread, () is rubbish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 That's an interesting take on it as the Pardew apologists would probably argue that he would be able to buy players which suited his long ball game more. I don't agree with it though, because I think he's a confused bloke who doesn't really have any convictions about football and probably changes his mind from week to week. So I reckon he'd still get us relegated. If we go down this season it will be entirely down to Mike Ashley. He appointed and continues to employ Alan Pardew,who, it is generally agreed in this 22k-post thread, () is rubbish. Don't forget the previous 1000 page thread. Amazing foresight on page 1 of that thread: http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,92734.msg3867066.html#msg3867066 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 That's an interesting take on it as the Pardew apologists would probably argue that he would be able to buy players which suited his long ball game more. I don't agree with it though, because I think he's a confused bloke who doesn't really have any convictions about football and probably changes his mind from week to week. So I reckon he'd still get us relegated. If we go down this season it will be entirely down to Mike Ashley. He appointed and continues to employ Alan Pardew,who, it is generally agreed in this 22k-post thread, () is rubbish. Don't forget the previous 1000 page thread. Amazing foresight on page 1 of that thread: http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,92734.msg3867066.html#msg3867066 Shame on the Pardew apologists in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 That's an interesting take on it as the Pardew apologists would probably argue that he would be able to buy players which suited his long ball game more. I don't agree with it though, because I think he's a confused bloke who doesn't really have any convictions about football and probably changes his mind from week to week. So I reckon he'd still get us relegated. If we go down this season it will be entirely down to Mike Ashley. He appointed and continues to employ Alan Pardew,who, it is generally agreed in this 22k-post thread, () is rubbish. Don't forget the previous 1000 page thread. Amazing foresight on page 1 of that thread: http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,92734.msg3867066.html#msg3867066 Don't forget the previous previous 1000 page thread. http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,72878.0.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Some of the posts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Out of fairness, as I wasn't posting here at the time, here's what I was saying about Pardew back then... http://www.toontastic.net/board/topic/32838-everton-vs-newcastle-united-sun-13-may-2012-300pm/?p=1079235 http://www.toontastic.net/board/topic/32838-everton-vs-newcastle-united-sun-13-may-2012-300pm/?p=1079250 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest snoopythewriter Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 He thinks the game tonight and the game against Chelsea are winnable. Delusional cunt. You couldn't even beat Sunderland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest micky_123 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Hang on, as much as I hate this fraud there's not a chance he even touches the damage Souness did. Kenny shouldn't even be compared to Pardew either, but for the opposite reason. Not sure what you mean here? Comparing Pards to either of those two is laughable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 He thinks the game tonight and the game against Chelsea are winnable. Delusional cunt. You couldn't even beat Sunderland. He LITERALLY cannot win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 He thinks the game tonight and the game against Chelsea are winnable. Delusional cunt. You couldn't even beat Sunderland. He LITERALLY cannot win. A poor trait for a football manager tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Hang on, as much as I hate this fraud there's not a chance he even touches the damage Souness did. Kenny shouldn't even be compared to Pardew either, but for the opposite reason. Pardew hasn't done as much damage to the team but he's been here longer and has been shit here longer, in that respect, he's worse than Souness. It's like pain, you can find more severe pain easier to take then less severe pain which lasts for longer and wears you down over a longer period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 He LITERALLY cannot win. Finally, a true statement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 He talks up winning against sides, he gets called a delusional cunt. He plays down chances of winning, he gets slated for losing the game before a ball is kicked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 He talks up winning against sides, he gets called a delusional c***. He plays down chances of winning, he gets slated for losing the game before a ball is kicked. Aye, poor bastard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Hang on, as much as I hate this fraud there's not a chance he even touches the damage Souness did. Kenny shouldn't even be compared to Pardew either, but for the opposite reason. Not sure what you mean here? Comparing Pards to either of those two is laughable. Kenny did an OK job overall. Deserves a lot of credit for us finishing 2nd. Souness spent £55m taking us from 5th to 16th. He ruined us, as he ruined Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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