Alan Pardew

[Interpolic]

Well exactly.  That's the point.  We end up drawing or losing games because of it, or going dangerously close to doing so.  The concept only works if it increases your chances of victory and for us it doesn't.

[loki679]

Who was it that said if you tell the players they're tired then they will be? (or words to that effect)

[Hanshithispantz]

Bobby Robson wasn't it?

 

EDIT: Or Jack Flash

 

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,92734.msg4131788.html#msg4131788

[Happy Face]

It takes a special kind of cautiousness to repeatedly sit on a lead when you've seen it blow up in your face so many times.  The daft cunt doesn't even realise that if he set his team up the same way for 90 minutes it would generally make his job more comfortable.

 

How many games have we won by 3+ goals under him in nearly 3 years?

 

3

 

Same as Everton have managed in the same time span.

 

Childish demanding we should be spanking teams week in and week out, with 90 minutes of total dominance.

 

The regularity with which we switch off is annoying, but Everton standard is about the peak or realistic expectation for us.

[Ikon]

Yeah that's exactly what we expect, literally. FFS!!

 

[Guest icemanblue]

Well, this season just goes from bad to worse, doesn't it? We're absolutely spiralling out of control. I can't see where our next win is coming from. It's going to be one long struggle. This incompetent manager is taking us down this year, I just know it.

[Ikon]

Well, this season just goes from bad to worse, doesn't it? We're absolutely spiralling out of control. I can't see where our next win is coming from. It's going to be one long struggle. This incompetent manager is taking us down this year, I just know it.

 

Pathetic!

[Guest icemanblue]

I know, it's awful, mate. I daren't look at the table!

[Ikon]

I know, it's awful, mate. I daren't look at the table!

 

Blah blah blah..

[Happy Face]

Yeah that's exactly what we expect, literally. FFS!!

 

Whey it seems pretty demanding.

 

8th top scorers in the league and complaints that we don't win by 3 or 4.

 

There's only 2 teams that have beat Norwich by 3.  Man city and Arsenal.

 

When Everton looked comfy against us at half time it demanded a response and we won the second half 2 nowt. Norwich were looking for a similar response... and we contained it.

[Zero]

I honestly think the players are tired and that's the reason why Pardew opted a negative 2nd half.  It nearly backfired, he admitted the fault, that's it.

 

The real problem isn't about this decision, it is about fitness.  The reason why we always play 45 mins good football is because the players can't do it.  Fitness problem has been always a major issue under Pardew to be honest, which is partly due to lack of squad depth and partl due to his training. 

 

Otherwise we would have went out and tried to beat them 4 or 5 nil.  Yep.

 

Honestly, nothing personal but I find the whole of your post completely astonishing.

 

My post is completely rubbish if you firmly believe that the players are not tired and it is just Pardews ineptness to opt for a defensive 2nd half.  How about trying to think IF the players were really tired at that moment? 

 

Mind I agree with you that if that's not due to triedness Pardews decision is the shittest I have ever seen.

 

I still remember during the time of souness, we also tended to play brilliantly during the first half and complete shit during the second, and the reason is simple: the players were having very poor fitness level. Thus to me it isn't that strange that the players are hving fitness issues, AND THE MANAGER HAS TO BEAR FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS.

[Guest neesy111]

Sorry HF but Norwich were absolute shite all game and were their for the taking.

[James]

2 points off 4th.

 

Unreasonable expectations of perfection imo

[Varadi]

I don't think there's any doubt that Pardew is a cautious manager and his tactics tend to reflect this.

 

I'm still generally pretty happy with how the season is going though - we're only 2 points behind the Southampton side that all the press have been rimming and 10 points off the bottom 3 - not bad going with a manager who was the bookies favourite to be sacked at the start of the season.

[Guest icemanblue]

Sorry HF but Norwich were absolute shite all game and were their for the taking.

 

That's probably why we scored two goals, and had a few chances to add to that. Some of them were even in that dire second half, even when we're barely trying to attack them.

 

I'm losing count of the number of 'undeserved' or 'lucky' wins we're picking up.

[Guest neesy111]

Sorry HF but Norwich were absolute shite all game and were their for the taking.

 

That's probably why we scored two goals, and had a few chances to add to that. Some of them were even in that dire second half, even when we're barely trying to attack them.

 

I'm losing count of the number of 'undeserved' or 'lucky' wins we're picking up.

 

So name the people who are saying it was a underserved or a lucky win?  Or is just you making stuff up as per usual.

[Toonpack]

Sorry HF but Norwich were absolute s**** all game and were their for the taking.

 

Erm, we did take them.

 

If Cisse's goal had stood (as it should have) we'd have won it in a canter as opposed to winning it comfortably.

[Incognito]

Sorry HF but Norwich were absolute s**** all game and were their for the taking.

 

Erm, we did take them.

 

If Cisse's goal had stood (as it should have) we'd have won it in a canter as opposed to winning it comfortably.

 

Comfortably?

[Toonpack]

Sorry HF but Norwich were absolute s**** all game and were their for the taking.

 

Erm, we did take them.

 

If Cisse's goal had stood (as it should have) we'd have won it in a canter as opposed to winning it comfortably.

 

Comfortably?

 

In these so called disastrous closing stages how many saves did Krull have to make, Spurs last week was anything but comfortable, yesterday was IMO, they had a lot of the ball, but in terms of REAL chances they created bugger all. (2 attempts on target all game) If the linesman doesn't make that mistake we would have walked it.

 

I was nervous as fuck last 10 minutes but that was more based on the ingrained over decades - "typical Newcastle will throw this away" conviction, than what was actually happening in front of me.

[Flip]

Sorry HF but Norwich were absolute s**** all game and were their for the taking.

 

Erm, we did take them.

 

If Cisse's goal had stood (as it should have) we'd have won it in a canter as opposed to winning it comfortably.

 

Comfortably?

 

In these so called disastrous closing stages how many saves did Krull have to make, Spurs last week was anything but comfortable, yesterday was IMO, they had a lot of the ball, but in terms of REAL chances they created bugger all. (2 attempts on target all game) If the linesman doesn't make that mistake we would have walked it.

 

I was nervous as f*** last 10 minutes but that was more based on the ingrained over decades - "typical Newcastle will throw this away" conviction, than what was actually happening in front of me.

 

As long as Pardew wins I won't cry or complain, but a lot of people have made some very good points. In the second half we invited them into pressure, had they been a bit better they would've punished us. Look at football in general, inviting pressure and playing defensively when leading causes more losses of points than not. We were 2-0 up and Norwich is a terrible side, why were we letting them dictate the game? New excuse every week, last week it was we were away to a better side and this week when we play an inferior side it's because the players were tired. What's next? Players fault when we actually lose from being infront? 

[alexthegreat]

Krul had nothing to do and Cisse scored a perfectly good goal - was very comfortable imo, just a bit boring.

[Flip]

Krul had nothing to do and Cisse scored a perfectly good goal - was very comfortable imo, just a bit boring.

 

You're telling us that when Fer made it 2-1 you were sure we were still going to win? I was nervous as I knew they'd score at least one the way the 2nd half was being played, don't really see why they wouldn't be capable of getting another?

[Darth Crooks]

Each 2nd half he is riding luck completely; Spurs game especially. It's not about 'dominating' at all and I'm pleased with the way he's got us playing going forward, finally utilising soe of the talent we have available and getting the best out of players such as Tiote. He needs to pack in this backs to the wall shit though because that's where the inconsistency in results comes from imo.

[Toonpack]

Sorry HF but Norwich were absolute s**** all game and were their for the taking.

 

Erm, we did take them.

 

If Cisse's goal had stood (as it should have) we'd have won it in a canter as opposed to winning it comfortably.

 

Comfortably?

 

In these so called disastrous closing stages how many saves did Krull have to make, Spurs last week was anything but comfortable, yesterday was IMO, they had a lot of the ball, but in terms of REAL chances they created bugger all. (2 attempts on target all game) If the linesman doesn't make that mistake we would have walked it.

 

I was nervous as f*** last 10 minutes but that was more based on the ingrained over decades - "typical Newcastle will throw this away" conviction, than what was actually happening in front of me.

 

As long as Pardew wins I won't cry or complain, but a lot of people have made some very good points. In the second half we invited them into pressure, had they been a bit better they would've punished us. Look at football in general, inviting pressure and playing defensively when leading causes more losses of points than not. We were 2-0 up and Norwich is a terrible side, why were we letting them dictate the game? New excuse every week, last week it was we were away to a better side and this week when we play an inferior side it's because the players were tired. What's next? Players fault when we actually lose from being infront? 

 

Aye a better team would have punished us, like Spurs did last week ;-) Norwich are terrible ?, really, no-one but Arsenal and Man C have put three past them this season (I think HF stated) we would have matched that (if not for a bad decision).

 

Why oh why is any excuse needed when we win ? Job done end of.

 

The way this season is shaping up, any team can beat any other team and implicit in that is that any team will have periods in games where they pressure the other team, we won, am happy and that's three on the bounce two of them against so called much better sides.

[alexthegreat]

Krul had nothing to do and Cisse scored a perfectly good goal - was very comfortable imo, just a bit boring.

 

You're telling us that when Fer made it 2-1 you were sure we were still going to win? I was nervous as I knew they'd score at least one the way the 2nd half was being played, don't really see why they wouldn't be capable of getting another?

 

The way I recall the 2nd half going was Norwich being so totally ineffective that their supporters were actually sarcastically cheering when they got a corner, until they surprisingly scored one of them in the 80th minute. They put bodies forward after that but didn't manage a single shot on target, while Cisse actually had the ball in the net. Didn't like the way we defended set pieces but aside from that I wasn't worried in the slightest.