Scotty66 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 But if the opposition are playing with 2 strikers and a midfielder like Lampard who always pushes forward,surely you would be stupid to not play a DM to stop that threat?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 it's important to balance your midfield and that means having enough defensive nous in it. You can do this by having 2 midfielders who will intelligently hold when the other goes forward, have 3 midfielders who are fluid and take turns as well, or just generally all keep possession, or you can free up the other midfielders to attack with a dedeicated DM. Maybe there is a shift away from having a dedicated defensive mid but it's still a valid position. I like the Cabaye style (sniff) doing defensive work but also orchestrating the game. Anita is also a more modern defensive mid in that he's not a centre back playing higher up stopping play but circulating possession and hopefully with game time imposing himself more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 But if the opposition are playing with 2 strikers and a midfielder like Lampard who always pushes forward,surely you would be stupid to not play a DM to stop that threat?! Unless I'm playing an opponent that is far better than me, I wouldn't alter my formation to counteract their players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I'd play a combination that works, some midfielders need a shield behind them, some don't. I don't think defensive mids will ever go away but I also think it's a very broad category. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/the-worst-thing-that-happened-to-the-premier-league-was-claude-makelele--tottenham-coach-les-ferdinand-9090259.html Andy Hodgson Published: 28 January 2014 Updated: 11:00, 28 January 2014 Tottenham coach Les Ferdinand believes the holding midfielder is an unnecessary staple in many of today's football teams. The former Spurs and England striker, who is now part of the coaching team at Tottenham headed by Tim Sherwood, has bemoaned a 'crop' of players who don't want to cross the halfway line. He told the Tottenham and Wood Green Journal: “I know there’s a lot of talk about holding midfield players, and I’m always arguing with Tim and Chris (Ramsey) about this – and they agree,” he said. “I don’t like holding midfield players. I like players to understand that if one goes forward, the other one tucks in for them. I don’t want someone who just sits in front of the back four and doesn’t go anywhere. I was saying to William Gallas when he was here, the worst thing that happened in this league was Claude Makelele. He added: “When Makelele came into this country he wasn’t a holding midfield player. He was a player who had the intelligence to say ‘Frank [Lampard], you can score more goals than me so if you go I’m going to tuck in here for you, and I’ll hold. You keep going forward’. “Then everyone went ‘right, we’ve got to have a holding midfield player’ - and what we’ve done is produce a crop of players who don’t want to go over the halfway line, who don’t want to pass over the halfway line and are happy to just sit in front of the back four. The 47 year-old's view may give us some insight into why last summer's £9m signing, Etienne Capoue has been told he can leave White Hart Lane this month after being deemed surplus to requirements by the current regime. Tottenham face Manchester City on Wednesday night and Ferdinand believes the success of Spurs' opponents vindicates his view. “People say Yaya Toure is a holding midfielder. No he isn’t, he’s getting forward and getting goals - but if someone else goes he’ll stay in there. “Fernandinho’s scoring goals. Why? Because he’s a holding player? No. They’ve just got an understanding: ‘If he goes, I’ll hold, and if I go he’ll hold’.” So they brought Capoue on tonight and he scored. Must have been a class hit to score from his own half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/the-worst-thing-that-happened-to-the-premier-league-was-claude-makelele--tottenham-coach-les-ferdinand-9090259.html Andy Hodgson Published: 28 January 2014 Updated: 11:00, 28 January 2014 Tottenham coach Les Ferdinand believes the holding midfielder is an unnecessary staple in many of today's football teams. The former Spurs and England striker, who is now part of the coaching team at Tottenham headed by Tim Sherwood, has bemoaned a 'crop' of players who don't want to cross the halfway line. He told the Tottenham and Wood Green Journal: “I know there’s a lot of talk about holding midfield players, and I’m always arguing with Tim and Chris (Ramsey) about this – and they agree,” he said. “I don’t like holding midfield players. I like players to understand that if one goes forward, the other one tucks in for them. I don’t want someone who just sits in front of the back four and doesn’t go anywhere. I was saying to William Gallas when he was here, the worst thing that happened in this league was Claude Makelele. He added: “When Makelele came into this country he wasn’t a holding midfield player. He was a player who had the intelligence to say ‘Frank [Lampard], you can score more goals than me so if you go I’m going to tuck in here for you, and I’ll hold. You keep going forward’. “Then everyone went ‘right, we’ve got to have a holding midfield player’ - and what we’ve done is produce a crop of players who don’t want to go over the halfway line, who don’t want to pass over the halfway line and are happy to just sit in front of the back four. The 47 year-old's view may give us some insight into why last summer's £9m signing, Etienne Capoue has been told he can leave White Hart Lane this month after being deemed surplus to requirements by the current regime. Tottenham face Manchester City on Wednesday night and Ferdinand believes the success of Spurs' opponents vindicates his view. “People say Yaya Toure is a holding midfielder. No he isn’t, he’s getting forward and getting goals - but if someone else goes he’ll stay in there. “Fernandinho’s scoring goals. Why? Because he’s a holding player? No. They’ve just got an understanding: ‘If he goes, I’ll hold, and if I go he’ll hold’.” So they brought Capoue on tonight and he scored. Must have been a class hit to score from his own half. He makes some very good points, I must say. However, nowadays due to the lack of contact in the game 'holding' midfielders are required to have high standard of distribution and provide a 'screen' in front of the back four by having the intelligence to intercept passes- players like Karl Henry (v.flippant example) are redundant at the top level because they can't pass forward and don't have the intelligence, only physical capabilities. If I was a manager I would prefer a playmaker who sits deep- in the mould of Pirlo. But, then again, with the increased involvement of full backs in the attacking phase, sometimes a holding midfielder (or two) is necessary to secure against counter attacks. I do think that in Man City's system Ferdinand's said way of playing a midfield pairing is spot on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Fifa presidential candidate Jerome Champagne has suggested introducing orange cards that would allow referees to send players to a sin-bin. The Frenchman, 55, launched his bid to succeed Sepp Blatter as the world governing body's president on Monday. He also wants to punish teams when players question officials and hopes football will consider using more technology for key decisions. Fifa's presidential election will be held in Zurich in June 2015. His other proposals include: - Quotas for foreign players - Implementing rugby's rule where only the captain can talk to the referee with a free-kick advanced 10 yards for any dissent - Abolishing the 'triple punishment' rule where a player who prevents a goalscoring opportunity in the penalty areas concedes a spot-kick, is sent off and also suspended - All Fifa presidential candidates taking part in live debates on television and in front of the six continental confederations - Making public the salary of the Fifa president and leading officials Former referees have mixed views on the proposals with George Courtney saying the introduction of sin-bins for orange cards would work but Roger Milford insisting it would make football "too dictatorial". Courtney, who officiated in the 1986 and 1990 World Cups in Mexico and Italy, said: "It would have to be under the right criteria but I think the time has come to seriously consider sin-bins. "I expect the international board would be considering them. "Red-card offences should still be punished with a red card but maybe for some other offences it would work." Champagne, who has been backed by Pele, announced his intentions to become football's most powerful man at a news conference in London. "We need a different Fifa," he said. "More democratic, more respected, which behaves better and which does more." However, he admits he will struggle to win the election if Blatter, who will be 78 in March, decides to stand for a fifth term in office. Asked if he could beat Blatter, Champagne, a former diplomat, said: "I don't think so, he's someone of relevance." He added: "I don't know whether Mr Blatter will run or not. Of course, as a matter of politeness I informed him what I was planning to do. "I don't know what he will do. Some people say I am manipulated by him but I tell you 'no'. I stand because I believe in what I am saying." Blatter has been re-elected three times since becoming president in 1998 but has not yet said whether he will stand again. A former Fifa deputy general secretary, Champagne worked closely with Blatter between 2002 and 2005 before leaving the organisation in 2010. Since then, he has been working as an international football consultant in troubled regions including Kosovo, Palestine and Israel and Cyprus. Champagne suggests players could be sin-binned for two or three minutes for "in-between fouls committed in the heat of the moment". http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25811977 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Pretty telling graph of why Atlético won't be able to keep the pace: http://estaticos04.marca.com/multimedia/graficos/futbol/2014/rotacion/rotacion.jpg That's what money buys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 City have posted losses of over £51M, way above the £37M allowed under financial fair play. Assuming they cannot justify the additional losses, I suspect they will get away with it which is totally wrong! Sanctions are supposed to be a ban from CL football, be very interesting to see how this pans out.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 City have posted losses of over £51M, way above the £37M allowed under financial fair play. Assuming they cannot justify the additional losses, I suspect they will get away with it which is totally wrong! Sanctions are supposed to be a ban from CL football, be very interesting to see how this pans out.. Wasn't a fair bit of their income made from services they give to other clubs that they own? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 City have posted losses of over £51M, way above the £37M allowed under financial fair play. Assuming they cannot justify the additional losses, I suspect they will get away with it which is totally wrong! Sanctions are supposed to be a ban from CL football, be very interesting to see how this pans out.. Wasn't a fair bit of their income made from services they give to other clubs that they own? Don't really know the detail - just saw it thought they will most likely find a way round it! The rest of us have no hope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Clubs can deduct a lot of expenses in youth development, infrastructure, etc... so the losses posted in accounts aren't equal to "FFP losses". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 If a club like Man City can spend like they have and not fall afoul of FFP then the system is definitely pointless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Wouldn't be surprised if their Melbourne purhcase was to help them fudge the books. Melbourne can buy some 12 year old off Citeh for £70m, and all the Negredo/Jovetic money etc will have come out of transfer fees received. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Clubs can deduct a lot of expenses in youth development, infrastructure, etc... so the losses posted in accounts aren't equal to "FFP losses". It's a lot murkier than that. This is what I posted in "Football Finances": http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25951455 As with all things financial-related, the devil is in the detail. Intriguingly, City made £47m from the sale of "intellectual property" to "related" and "third" parties - without that income the losses would have been higher and being FFP compliant a much tougher task. As it is, despite finishing over the £37m figure, City are confident their spending on youth development and infrastructure - which is exempt for FFP accounting purposes - will enable them to comply. Selling intellectual property, my arse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Obviously it's the movie rights for James Milner's biopic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Obviously it's the movie rights for James Milner's biopic Could be PRS money for "Wonderwall"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Just discovered someone wrote a song about LuaLua Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLD27abHrf0 They're so embarrassing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 fecking hell thats cringe inducing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Is that real? Thought it was an obvious spoof but I'm not so sure now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 It's hard to tell It's at the Millennium stadium so it's a good few years old. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 'Get off the pitch!' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 A television crew at the club’s Colney training ground then jokingly asked Hoolahan: “Are you going to be clearing your locker out?” But they and other watching journalists were shocked when the 31-year-old replied: “I hope so. This is a f***ing s***house club.” http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/norwich-aston-villa-transfers-wes-3095039#ixzz2rvO8c800 all is not well at Norwich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest n4e Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLD27abHrf0 They're so embarrassing Some of the comments. all i saw was two lads lookin to see some tits. wouldnt it be worse if she got ignored, at least this way she feels desirable. PC gone mad! Look how young she was, they probably spit roasted her in all fairness all those sky presenter women are slags they suckle all the top stars who are single. i have no doubt whatsoever with a few pints in her that bird woulda gotten her tits out for any top goodlookin footballers in the changin room then shed of milked the lot of em like fuckin cows!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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