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Village Idiot

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"more than a football club" behind Allerdyce in the press conference, really West Ham? Really?

 

I want royalties :lol:

Barcelona should sue over that alright

 

still what the hell West Ham in what possible way are they "more than a football club" (its also one of the things that bug me about Barca but lets not get into that)

 

It's just what it meant for the Catalan population throughout the years (could go at length with examples), it wasn't coined - and certainly it doesn't mean - as a way to affirm superiority over other football clubs. It's something I'm quite proud as a fan tbf.

 

The phrase was coined in the late 60s, when we were utterly s***.

 

And very proud of it you should be :thup:

 

If there is to be any club worthy of being "mes que un club" then it's Barca.

 

VI is correct, it's nothing to do with superiority at all, it's around social history, Franco, Spanish civil upheaval and a view point on it and taking a stand.

 

The Barca story is a truly great one.

 

You'll make me blush.

 

Let's not carried away, however, it's not like we became a social protest force (we'd have been shut down the day after, for starters - although the club was indeed banned under another Junta in the 1920s). But little things, like people organizing clandestine gatherings during matches (you had to ask permission to organize any kind of gathering in a public place, but you could easily disguise that in the terraces of a stadium holding 100,000 people), the Barça anthem being a Catalan anthem in disguise (as affirmed by the original author), so people could sing it at the stadium at a time where the proper Catalan anthem was forbidden (and people were sent to jail for singing it in public). Heck, one of our presidents was shot during the war and the whole squad had to flee to Mexico.

 

It was mostly an example of an oppressed society using whatever outlet they could to (in a limited way) express themselves.

 

Spent a day at Camp Nou a few years back, really really enjoyed it, was in the museum for three hours alone  :lol: wife wasn't best please but there you go.

 

God bless Joan Gamper :thup:

 

Are you from Barcalona VI? Or just supporting?

 

Barcelona born and bred :snod:

 

The museum's an amazing place for a football lover, regardless of whom you support.

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jdckelly

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what a strange article, the guy (and many here) go on as if no manager ever anywhere else has been lined up to replace someone before he was sacked.

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Greg Dyke fears for the future of the national team unless drastic steps are taken to nurture more English talent.

 

The Football Association chairman laid out his vision for the future of football in England at a keynote speech in London, setting the target of victory at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar.

 

But Dyke made it clear he believes such ambition will soon become unrealistic unless the Premier League and the FA work together to cut the percentage of foreign players, managers and owners.

 

The former television executive intends to set up a commission to look into the dwindling number of English-qualified players regularly used by Premier League clubs.

 

And Dyke said the FA would be "letting the country and thousands of England fans down" if it did not deal with what he called a "frightening trend" which last season meant just 32% of players used by Premier League clubs were English.

 

"Do we let the trend continue or do we do something about it?" he said. "What happens when the number goes from 32 to 25 to 20 to 15?

 

"Do we still ignore the problem or do we act now? English football is a tanker that needs turning.

 

"Why has it happened? What can be done? How can you make changes? The FA has to up its game but all of English football has a problem. All of English football has to find a solution."

 

Dyke argued his vision does not put him on collision course with the Premier League, saying: "It is crucial that English football finds a solution without undermining the undoubted success of the Premier League.

 

"We don't want to kill the golden goose in the search of the golden egg but we do have to do something if the English team is to prosper in the future. "

 

Dyke's tone was not one of despair, though, when he suggested victory in Qatar - 56 years after England's sole World Cup win to date - should be a genuine aim.

 

He said: "The two targets I have for the England team are - one, to at least reach the semi-finals of Euro 2020. Two, win the World Cup in 2022."

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Name checked in his full speech.

 

Let me just explain with a couple of recent examples.

 

We were all thrilled when Wigan, the underdog, won The FA Cup last season – all except for Manchester City fans that is – but only one of the eleven players who started for Wigan that day was qualified to play for England, although to be fair another qualified player did come on to score the winner.

 

A second example, Sunderland have signed fourteen players during the summer transfer window. They are made up of four Italians, three Frenchmen, one Swiss, one Czech, one American, one Greek, one Swede, one South Korean and a sole Englishman.

 

In fact in Sunderland’s first game of the season against Fulham there were only four players on the pitch at the start of the game who were actually qualified to play for England.

 

Mind you in the Newcastle team beaten 4-0 by Manchester City on that same opening weekend it was even worse – there was only one English player in their starting line-up.

This is not, repeat not, a criticism of those particular clubs, of Premier League clubs in general or even of the League overall, but it does illustrate the growing problem we face. No-one planned this but it is the result of my law of unintended consequences.

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Greg Dyke fears for the future of the national team unless drastic steps are taken to nurture more English talent.

 

The Football Association chairman laid out his vision for the future of football in England at a keynote speech in London, setting the target of victory at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar.

 

But Dyke made it clear he believes such ambition will soon become unrealistic unless the Premier League and the FA work together to cut the percentage of foreign players, managers and owners.

 

The former television executive intends to set up a commission to look into the dwindling number of English-qualified players regularly used by Premier League clubs.

 

And Dyke said the FA would be "letting the country and thousands of England fans down" if it did not deal with what he called a "frightening trend" which last season meant just 32% of players used by Premier League clubs were English.

 

"Do we let the trend continue or do we do something about it?" he said. "What happens when the number goes from 32 to 25 to 20 to 15?

 

"Do we still ignore the problem or do we act now? English football is a tanker that needs turning.

 

"Why has it happened? What can be done? How can you make changes? The FA has to up its game but all of English football has a problem. All of English football has to find a solution."

 

Dyke argued his vision does not put him on collision course with the Premier League, saying: "It is crucial that English football finds a solution without undermining the undoubted success of the Premier League.

 

"We don't want to kill the golden goose in the search of the golden egg but we do have to do something if the English team is to prosper in the future. "

 

Dyke's tone was not one of despair, though, when he suggested victory in Qatar - 56 years after England's sole World Cup win to date - should be a genuine aim.

 

He said: "The two targets I have for the England team are - one, to at least reach the semi-finals of Euro 2020. Two, win the World Cup in 2022."

 

The funny part is it's not like England has ever had a great record at the World Cup. 66 and 90 were pretty much anomalies.

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Clubs aren't to blame here. Putting any kind of limit on foreigners or encouraging clubs to choose English players artificially will only decrease the quality of the premier league. Nobody wins here except the already mediocre English  players - the team will not improve in quality.

 

If the English players are good enough then they will be starring in top premier league teams, and they do, it's just there aren't enough. So it's on the FA to improve grass roots level, not the clubs.

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No mention of all the bad managerial appointments they've made since Robson (probably only Venables aside)?

 

Was Hoddle that bad an appointment? I remember him as doing well apart from that ill advised comment regarding next life etc??

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He talks about it as if the PL clubs have some sort of agenda to stop English players playing in the league. If they were better players they'd be playing. I don't watch the PL to watch XI Englishmen play XI Englishmen, I watch it to watch some of the best footballers in the world, very few of whom are English.

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Clubs aren't to blame here. Putting any kind of limit on foreigners or encouraging clubs to choose English players artificially will only decrease the quality of the premier league. Nobody wins here except the already mediocre English  players - the team will not improve in quality.

 

If the English players are good enough then they will be starring in top premier league teams, and they do, it's just there aren't enough. So it's on the FA to improve grass roots level, not the clubs.

 

That's just not true though is it, realistically? If you're a youth player on Chelsea's books, you've got to be one of the world's greatest young players to get so much as a place on the bench in the League Cup. By the time you're 21, you've simply not played enough first team football to keep up with your peers in other countries who've been playing senior football for years.

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No mention of all the bad managerial appointments they've made since Robson (probably only Venables aside)?

 

Was Hoddle that bad an appointment? I remember him as doing well apart from that ill advised comment regarding next life etc??

 

He only got to the last 16 of the World Cup with a really good squad. Also from reading autobiographies, most of the players didn't like him and his methods.

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He talks about it as if the PL clubs have some sort of agenda to stop English players playing in the league. If they were better players they'd be playing. I don't watch the PL to watch XI Englishmen play XI Englishmen, I watch it to watch some of the best footballers in the world, very few of whom are English.

 

Really? I watch it because Newcastle are in it. Honestly couldn't give the first fuck about the standard and would happily see a massive drop in standard if it meant a more level playing field.

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