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toontownman

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I was just surprised Shearer couldn't get more out of the players, there wasn't the lift the team gets when a new manager usually comes in. Sunderland would have went down if Di Canio hadn't turned it round in just as few games with probably a worse squad than Shearer had to work with. The players didn't respond to Shearer it's as simple as that, Hughton got far more out of them a few months later. Shearer might be a legend as a footballer, that doesn't mean he's necessarily going to be a good manager.

 

How can you compare results in the Premiership to results in the 2nd division?  I’m sure that we were 18th in the league when Shearer was appointed and 18th after his last game.

 

Exactly, and don't forget that it even took KK 8 games to sort us out after Allardyce had been fired.

Keegan returned in January with half a season left - Shearer only had a couple of months and the damage was well and truly done by then.

Not saying Shearer is going to be a top manager, but the period he had with us was not a fair guide of his abilities in that direction.

Nobody is blemish-free, but for Kinnear to call Shearer a c--- is plainly pot and kettle if not worse.

 

Well, I agree, it absolutely can't be a definitive judgement on Shearer's managerial ability. It is the only time we have to judge but its certainly not fair to assume that's all he had to offer. However, there is a difference between Keegan taking 8 games after Allardyce when there were plenty of games left to play for and no real perceived danger of relegation then Shearer when we absolutely desperately needed something. He was the absolute obvious choice to dig us out by galvanizing the players, staff and fans. The latter clearly happened, unfortunately the gamble and the former never happened.

 

- Maybe it was the hype and expectation, as mentioned both Hughton/Di Canio relatively unpopular decisions amongst fans/media worked for the good of the club, siege mentality and proving people wrong is a strong motivator (that we can bloody pray to god is true about the current state of our management).

 

- Maybe it was Shearers abilities, the players should have respected him, there would surely be no lack of passion and reality about the situation they were in, yet players didn't play for Shearer or the shirt, if anything things went down hill despite probably the best backing of fans in recent times..(12th man my ass).

 

- Quite possible and especially fashionable, it was the disgusting state of the club, the downward spiral was created long before the Kinnear appointment, two many managers and disruption with a sprinkling of overpaid mercenaries with talents and passion that had been long surpassed by an easy job with great pay.

 

We can't know for sure. Certainly its a blotch on Shearers coaching career but I don't think anyone in their right mind should hold that fully against him. His consequent career path and lack of interest in getting back on the horse and proving doubters wrong however could certainly be more telling.

 

*for what is worth, Kinnear is entitled to call Shearer what he wants, I know a few people have eluded to the fact Shearer didn't even name Kinnear but it is blatant what he is talking about. I just wish it could be explained to Joe what taking the high ground means and how important it could be in trying to mend the structurally sound bridges he ripped down in his self indulged egotistical rants. I don't doubt we will hear from himself that "the club is bigger than any one person" I doubt however he can actually understand the meaning especially relate the fact that he is not excused from that statement.

 

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if anything things went down hill despite probably the best backing of fans in recent times..(12th man my ass).

 

It's barely relevant but i vividly remember the 0-0 draw at home to Portsmouth. The atmosphere / support at that game was the best for years, tuotally un-premierleague-like. I was convinced that night we were down, because if our players couldn't raise their game that night there was no hope.

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That's a fair point if NUFC is just a match to you.

 

it isn't to me. its part of my region, the pride I have in it, the city I love and  the people who mean so much to me.

Its not about the match or the 11 players. Rarely has been for me. I've seen mostly dross over the years on the field, the PL years under KK and SBR being part of the exception.

 

Didn't matter. I loved going, home and away. Being crap was never the issue, still isn't to some extent.

 

The wilful destruction of the club, its name being dragged through the mud, the area and region being vilified, that I cant stomach.

As you say though just stay away. I have been and will continue to do so.

 

Wish more had the same opinion obviously.

 

The thing that does most harm, to the region and the area, in the eye's of others are the pathetic fake funeral's, Willy Wonga's, Boycoutts, Geordie nation bollocks type stuff which frankly shows the region up way worse. We're getting way too scouse.

 

The Ashley destroying the club/region to those outside the region perception (and a goodly proportion within it) is a figment of your imagination.

 

I work all over the country and when talking football, most "neutrals" think Ashley's a nutter and are equally incredulous, as we are, about some of the things he does, folks actually sympathise with NUFC supporters but the over the top demonstrations of wailing and gnashing of teeth does us no favours.

 

That said, to most, it's all about the match day, club politics gets no more than passing interest.

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If JFK hadn't had his heart attack I think we would've stayed up, similarly if Shearer had been given 12 games I think we would've stayed up.......

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I don't actually believe Kinnear reads forums to be honest, think it's another porkie.  Doubt he knows how to turn a computer on.

 

Honestly doubt that if he'd been technically capable enough he'd manage to leave his ego aside to not end up a member desperately trying to defend Kinnear. :lol:

 

"Fuck you all! I created Dave!"

 

Perfect trolling opportunity for someone to create a new account and just go on a Kinnear defending rampage tbh. :lol:

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Dokko

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What kind of ride did he get from our home fans when he was here? I really don't remember as I worked most games at the time.

 

Just wonder where the thought from him he is liked around here comes from.

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AlanSkÃrare

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If JFK hadn't had his heart attack I think we would've stayed up, similarly if Shearer had been given 12 games I think we would've stayed up.......

 

We were chaotic rubbish under both, but JK started the rot.

 

I was at SJP for the Liverpool game, as bad as we've been in my lifetime.

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Foudn this gem from 2011.

 

http://www.journallive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2011/03/17/joe-kinnear-feels-he-deserves-more-credit-61634-28350929/?

 

“I wanted to sell him (N’Zogbia) because I didn’t get on with him, I didn’t think he was a fighter,” said Kinnear.

 

“I got £8m for him and it was me who brought in Kevin Nolan for £4m. He was Newcastle’s player of the year last year but do I get any credit for signing him? No, because I’m a cockney.

 

“The trouble was, I had to generate my own money. When the £8m was offered by Brucey I knew I had to get Nolan, then I got Løvenkrands. He was a free. With his experience I thought he would be great to come off the bench for us.”

 

“The only conversation I had with him (Bruce) was over N’Zogbia,” Kinnear insisted. “He said he phoned me on the Monday. I never had a conversation with any manager about Andy Carroll.

 

“Andy Carroll was a kid I’d given his debut to. Him and Shola Ameobi were going to be my strikers.

 

“Mike Ashley and Derek Llambias had no intentions of selling him at any stage.

 

“When Chrissy Hughton put him in the team Andy was able to step down a level and did fantastically well. Whether he is trying to talk himself up or not, I don’t know. But to say he only offered £2.5m, it makes him look stupid.

 

“For me to let Andy go to Wigan, he would have had to sell his entire team, and then you would have had to pay Andy a fortune just to go to Wigan.

 

“I think Andy had bigger options in his head even then.”

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If JFK hadn't had his heart attack I think we would've stayed up, similarly if Shearer had been given 12 games I think we would've stayed up.......

 

We were chaotic rubbish under both, but JK started the rot.

 

I was at SJP for the Liverpool game, as bad as we've been in my lifetime.

 

I was too, Liverpool could have had about 15.  Can remember Given leathering the ball away in pure frustration as he was the only player preventing more goals.

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AlanSkÃrare

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If JFK hadn't had his heart attack I think we would've stayed up, similarly if Shearer had been given 12 games I think we would've stayed up.......

 

We were chaotic rubbish under both, but JK started the rot.

 

I was at SJP for the Liverpool game, as bad as we've been in my lifetime.

 

I was too, Liverpool could have had about 15.  Can remember Given leathering the ball away in pure frustration as he was the only player preventing more goals.

 

He was probably man of the match and conceded five.

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If JFK hadn't had his heart attack I think we would've stayed up, similarly if Shearer had been given 12 games I think we would've stayed up.......

 

We were chaotic rubbish under both, but JK started the rot.

 

I was at SJP for the Liverpool game, as bad as we've been in my lifetime.

 

Was shit, like the 6:0 last season.

 

I agree that we'd have probably stayed up had the heart attack not happened.  Kinnears useless, but it didn't take a good manager to keep us up, just a bit of consistency.

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AlanSkÃrare

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We only had one decent performance and we won away at portsmouth i think, the rest under jfk we were crap.

WBA and Villa at home were decent mind.

 

WBA at home was shambles. Can't believe we won. Some stupid penalty after Shola tumbled in the box. The Villa game was decent, Barton and Martins had good games.

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Interpolic

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Foudn this gem from 2011.

 

http://www.journallive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2011/03/17/joe-kinnear-feels-he-deserves-more-credit-61634-28350929/?

 

“do I get any credit for signing him? No, because I’m a cockney.

 

Can't stand this fucking shit.

 

:lol: It's laughable that the papers get away with implying it, never mind someone that used to manage the club.  It's total and utter bollocks of course.

 

We hate Cockneys - Rob Lee, Les Ferdinand, Warren Barton etc are all despised.

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Stifler

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I saw a quote from him in the Chronicle the other day it read, "I will sort out Newcastle's problems".

 

I thought thats easy, fuck off.

 

I can see why we want a DOF and accept it, what I can't get is him having the job.

Though I want Pardew gone as manager I can see why the club have kept him.

 

The only problem here is you JFK, the only solution is to go.

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