Sunderland

[cp40]

Is there a worse player in the league than Andreas Dosenna?  Fucking hell.

 

 

Aye, Jozy Altidore.

 

 

 

 

I expected them ,after todays results,  and the shambles Cardiff as a club are in, to go there tonight and tear into Cardiff. 

Tbh for 80 mins sunderland were absolute shit,and unable to respond,  until late on after Cardiffs Subs did they get into the Game.

Conclusion, this will go all the way for them.

[Interpolic]

This 20 out of 21 teams thing is such a red herring like.  Like I said the other day, if you'd flipped our home fixtures last year so that we played the top 6 plus the mackems at home before Christmas then we'd potentially have had as few as 8 points at the time the mackems had 10.  They've got about as good a chance as anyone else down there now.

[midds]

They'll stay up. There's that much shite hovering around the bottom of the division that something daft like 32 points will be enough and they'll squeak through with a point or two to spare.

[Interpolic]

Still got spurs/Man U/Chelsea/Liverpool/man city/arsenal  away from home. If we beat them in Feb, it's likely they could only pick up a point, got hull/us/man city/arsenal. 3 of which away from home

 

They'll probably end up writing games like that off, it's the home games against average sides that will make or break their season.  Teams near the bottom largely succeed or fail depending on their home form - the bottom 3 last year got 10 home wins between them and that's why they're in the league below now.

[Incognito]

It looks good because they came back but it's a shit point in the scheme of things, every team around them lost

 

It really isn't. They've been drawing rather than getting beat for weeks and every week somebody says it's a terrible result. They've kept themselves comfortably within touching distance with those points and will soon win a game or two and be in mid table.

 

On the plus side, they'd probably be safe by now if Poyet wasn't playing the thick as mince yank up front instead of Fletcher. Can only hope for an injury to the Korean lad as he's comfortably the best midfielder down at the bottom, fuck knows why he's out on loan.

 

Thick as mince yank

[Tiresias]

They'll stay up

[Guest DebuchyAndTheBeast]

This 20 out of 21 teams thing is such a red herring like.  Like I said the other day, if you'd flipped our home fixtures last year so that we played the top 6 plus the mackems at home before Christmas then we'd potentially have had as few as 8 points at the time the mackems had 10.  They've got about as good a chance as anyone else down there now.

 

An active January window did play its part for us . I don't think that they have the means to do the same without first selling some players

[jdckelly]

It's sounded for weeks in this thread that a lot of people are trying to kid themselves that they're as good as down.

 

Four points for the bottom side from Everton and Cardiff away and yet "they should be winning today"

 

If I thought the bottom side "should" be winning any away game, that would probably lead me to the conclusion that I didn't think they'd stay there.

today was the biggest chance they'll get for a win away to a side around them with the chaos surrounding Cardiff and yet again they failed to take advantage of the golden opportunity. They aren't beating teams around them and if they want to stay up they need to.

[Interpolic]

This 20 out of 21 teams thing is such a red herring like.  Like I said the other day, if you'd flipped our home fixtures last year so that we played the top 6 plus the mackems at home before Christmas then we'd potentially have had as few as 8 points at the time the mackems had 10.  They've got about as good a chance as anyone else down there now.

 

An active January window did play its part for us . I don't think that they have the means to do the same without first selling some players

 

It did but what I'm saying is that we lost 5 out of those 7 home fixtures (vs top 6 and a derby) that we're talking about, 3 of those defeats for us (from 4 fixtures) came after the January signings.  I don't think you can declare Sunderland incapable of defeating average/poor opposition at home on the strength of 2 games against Fulham and Norwich.  Another few draws or defeats in these games and I'll be more confident they'll go down.

[Hanshithispantz]

I don't think beating anyone away from home is a "golden opportunity." And Cardiff have beaten both Manchester sides at home this season and haven't been beaten at home by any side outside of the current top 10.

 

EDIT: They drew with Man U sorry, beat City.

[Interpolic]

They have Villa, Southampton, Stoke, Hull, West Brom, Palace, West Ham, Everton, Cardiff and Swansea to play at home, we have little to no evidence on which to base the idea that they can't beat these sides at their own ground and won't get a feeling for this until they've played a few more of these games.  They didn't need to get out of the bottom 3 with an away win today, on 28th December, they need to make sure they're out of it in May and the fixtures could well be stacked in their favour.

 

Anyway I'm out, people are just taking no notice.

[Guest palnese]

They will be in and around the bottom 5 all season, and they will go down in the end.

[Wullie]

And they're playing us, so add three points onto their total right now, cos we'll shit ourselves.

[bhoywhonder]

As someone pointed out, they're a proverbial turd that just won't flush.

 

"Thats right marra, bow down to 'The Unflushables', and we'll be back in 2014/15, stinking the pley-ace out berra than eva* marra!"

 

*(17th. 3rd year running).

[Guest DebuchyAndTheBeast]

This 20 out of 21 teams thing is such a red herring like.  Like I said the other day, if you'd flipped our home fixtures last year so that we played the top 6 plus the mackems at home before Christmas then we'd potentially have had as few as 8 points at the time the mackems had 10.  They've got about as good a chance as anyone else down there now.

 

I got 11 points taking our worst home and worst away result vs a team. e.g I chose Villa home against Villa away because we drew them 1-1 at home but won 1-2 away

 

Home

Spurs 2-1

Sunderland 0-3

Man Utd 0-3

Chelsea 3-2

Liverpool 0-6

Man City 1-3

Arsenal 0-1

West Ham 0-1

Villa 1-1

Swansea 1-2

 

Away

Everton 2-2

Reading 2-2

Southampton 2-0

Stoke 2-1

Fulham 2-0

Norwich 0-0

WBA 1-1

Wigan 2-1

 

Played = 18

Wins = 2

Draws = 5

Losses = 11

Total points = 11 

GF = 21

GA = 30

GD = -9

 

No actually we'd be on the same number of points before the new year if we played QPR .   

[Tsunami]

That equaliser cost me my acca. What a set of twats.

[afar]

They will be in and around the bottom 5 all season, and they will go down in the end.

 

Phew thank god for that. Thanks.

[Guest palnese]

[afar]

The big thing they have in their favour right now is form. West Ham are in awful form, Fulham's mini resurgence just took a huge dent, Palace have been up and down, Norwich aren't winning many at all, WBA have dropped like a stone, Villa are dropping at a similar rate, the Europa league is catching up with Swansea. While Sunderland are on a nice little run right now, keeping the run going is another thing but they have plenty of winnable games coming up.

[Guest]

The big thing they have in their favour right now is form. West Ham are in awful form, Fulham's mini resurgence just took a huge dent, Palace have been up and down, Norwich aren't winning many at all, WBA have dropped like a stone, Villa are dropping at a similar rate, the Europa league is catching up with Swansea. While Sunderland are on a nice little run right now, keeping the run going is another thing but they have plenty of winnable games coming up.

 

Alternatively, you'd think those teams above them will inevitably pick up the odd win or two themselves shortly. Sunderland have had a relatively decent run and are still bottom.

[midds]

Everyone has played everyone else - they're bottom of the league. Not saying they'll go down because there are still enough games for them to escape but they're fucking awful, they wouldn't be bottom if they weren't.

[LRD]

"He's at hospital now. Fabio was feeling very bad before the game, just before the game he was sick."

 

"We decided together to play but then at half-time it was impossible for him. Now to make sure everything is all right we've taken him to hospital."

 

Fecker knew he was very sick and still played him when he should have done the responsible thing pulling him out of the squad.

[Karjala]

Looking at the positives, the mackems have only won 3 games all season - and 3 they are unlikely to repeat, its arguable whether they deserved any of those 3.

 

They are currently on a 'good run', but after matches against West Ham, Norwich and Cardiff, they didn't beat any of them. Every game is a massive one for them, and January is packed full of fixtures. They don't have the squad to compete in all competitions, so must field hugely weakened sides, even by their standard, in the cup games.

 

Ultimately they are bottom after having played all the other 19 teams.

[Karjala]

They have Villa, Southampton, Stoke, Hull, West Brom, Palace, West Ham, Everton, Cardiff and Swansea to play at home, we have little to no evidence on which to base the idea that they can't beat these sides at their own ground

 

None of those teams will roll over, and aren't guaranteed wins. Of those teams, our results at home we have played 5 of them and won 2, drew 2, lost 1.

 

[Guest]

Aye, as much as Sunderland will be thinking they should beat those sides, every single one of those will go to the SoL thinking that's the sort of away game they should win. They'll all go for it.