Mattoon Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 McCormick is a prick for what he did and rightly got sent down/did his time. Should he be punished for it forever? If you ask the family of the people that died no doubt they'd say yes but there has to be a point where someone is classed as rehabilitated. He did something stupid whilst under the influence, thereby of diminished capacity, not that it's an excuse, just to highlight the difference in cases here. What Johnson has done was premeditated and went on for some time, he had ample opportunity to think "you know, this is wrong I'm stopping it now.". The cases are completely different and equally horrific, however mentally I see what Johnson did as worse, if McCormick has gotten drunk on purpose with the intent of smashing into someone then you'd have a case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 You can't compare driving under the influence to shooting a gun towards a crowd of people, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 A couple glasses of red wine will put you over the limit. Maybe it's just the people I know and myself who have driven knowing that if they get pulled over or have an accident that licence is getting revoked. Or maybe just run over a couple of kids. Should never risk it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 A couple glasses of red wine will put you over the limit. Maybe it's just the people I know and myself who have driven knowing that if they get pulled over or have an accident that licence is getting revoked. Or maybe just run over a couple of kids. Should never risk it. Aye but lots of do. Treating everyone that has done it as murderers isn't going to work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 The schoolgirl who allegedly had sexual encounters with Adam Johnson told her friends he gave her cash for a trip to London, a court heard today. The teenager bought underwear for her school friends and claimed Johnson gave her the money for it. Defence barrister Orlando Pownall said: “She told you face-to-face that she received a text message from Adam Johnson saying lets meet up in a car park. “She told you that Adam Johnson asked her if she needed money to go to London with and she said he gave her £50.” The school friend agreed. Mr Pownall went on to say: “She brought you presents from London, underwear sets and a couple of other things. She told you she had paid for the gifts with money Adam Johnson gave her.” The girl agreed and Mr Pownall said: “Is this an example of what you have come to expect - that your friend is someone who can exaggerate?” The school friend said: “Yea,” and added that she hadn’t believed her friend’s story about the cash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 The schoolgirl who allegedly had sexual encounters with Adam Johnson told her friends he gave her cash for a trip to London, a court heard today. The teenager bought underwear for her school friends and claimed Johnson gave her the money for it. Defence barrister Orlando Pownall said: “She told you face-to-face that she received a text message from Adam Johnson saying lets meet up in a car park. “She told you that Adam Johnson asked her if she needed money to go to London with and she said he gave her £50.” The school friend agreed. Mr Pownall went on to say: “She brought you presents from London, underwear sets and a couple of other things. She told you she had paid for the gifts with money Adam Johnson gave her.” The girl agreed and Mr Pownall said: “Is this an example of what you have come to expect - that your friend is someone who can exaggerate?” The school friend said: “Yea,” and added that she hadn’t believed her friend’s story about the cash. Its this shit that'll cast doubt in the jurors mind. Too many anomalies and they'll have to go not guilty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Cross examining a scared/nervous child is always going to come across like that. Especially when you get at her on minor details she may have slightly changed subconsciously or wasnt entirely confident on. Unlike the vile scum he is defending who deliberately pleaded not guilty for 10 months only to change when faced with a courtroom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 The schoolgirl who allegedly had sexual encounters with Adam Johnson told her friends he gave her cash for a trip to London, a court heard today. The teenager bought underwear for her school friends and claimed Johnson gave her the money for it. Defence barrister Orlando Pownall said: “She told you face-to-face that she received a text message from Adam Johnson saying lets meet up in a car park. “She told you that Adam Johnson asked her if she needed money to go to London with and she said he gave her £50.” The school friend agreed. Mr Pownall went on to say: “She brought you presents from London, underwear sets and a couple of other things. She told you she had paid for the gifts with money Adam Johnson gave her.” The girl agreed and Mr Pownall said: “Is this an example of what you have come to expect - that your friend is someone who can exaggerate?” The school friend said: “Yea,” and added that she hadn’t believed her friend’s story about the cash. Its this shit that'll cast doubt in the jurors mind. Too many anomalies and they'll have to go not guilty. Aye.. this is her "best friend" talking too. Says she (victim) can exaggerate and didnt even believe her about it at first. Doesnt exactly sound great for her Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dabe Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 The schoolgirl who allegedly had sexual encounters with Adam Johnson told her friends he gave her cash for a trip to London, a court heard today. The teenager bought underwear for her school friends and claimed Johnson gave her the money for it. Defence barrister Orlando Pownall said: “She told you face-to-face that she received a text message from Adam Johnson saying lets meet up in a car park. “She told you that Adam Johnson asked her if she needed money to go to London with and she said he gave her £50.” The school friend agreed. Mr Pownall went on to say: “She brought you presents from London, underwear sets and a couple of other things. She told you she had paid for the gifts with money Adam Johnson gave her.” The girl agreed and Mr Pownall said: “Is this an example of what you have come to expect - that your friend is someone who can exaggerate?” The school friend said: “Yea,” and added that she hadn’t believed her friend’s story about the cash. Its this s*** that'll cast doubt in the jurors mind. Too many anomalies and they'll have to go not guilty. Aye.. this is her "best friend" talking too. Says she (victim) can exaggerate and didnt even believe her about it at first. Doesnt exactly sound great for her "Oh hai Mark...I noshed off Ian Curti...I mean Adam Johnson for a few seconds behind Wong's...he was geet floppy" Yup, not very believable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 The schoolgirl who allegedly had sexual encounters with Adam Johnson told her friends he gave her cash for a trip to London, a court heard today. The teenager bought underwear for her school friends and claimed Johnson gave her the money for it. Defence barrister Orlando Pownall said: “She told you face-to-face that she received a text message from Adam Johnson saying lets meet up in a car park. “She told you that Adam Johnson asked her if she needed money to go to London with and she said he gave her £50.” The school friend agreed. Mr Pownall went on to say: “She brought you presents from London, underwear sets and a couple of other things. She told you she had paid for the gifts with money Adam Johnson gave her.” The girl agreed and Mr Pownall said: “Is this an example of what you have come to expect - that your friend is someone who can exaggerate?” The school friend said: “Yea,” and added that she hadn’t believed her friend’s story about the cash. Its this shit that'll cast doubt in the jurors mind. Too many anomalies and they'll have to go not guilty. Aye.. this is her "best friend" talking too. Says she (victim) can exaggerate and didnt even believe her about it at first. Doesnt exactly sound great for her Probably didn't believe the stuff she told her about Johnson which he's since admitted to, either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Friend 1 said that the girl had asked her to lie to police about an alleged sex act taking place and to delete messages from her phone. As well as this, she told jurors today that she was asked to lie about a third meeting that the girl claimed had taken place. At this third meeting, Friend 1 said, the girl told her that Johnson had met her and given her £50 for a trip away. Friend 1 told the court that she "didn't believe" this meeting had happened because it seemed unrealistic. In her own evidence yesterday, the girl said she was "joking" when she told Friend 1 this meeting had taken place, and that Johnson had given her money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Friend 1 said that the girl had asked her to lie to police about an alleged sex act taking place and to delete messages from her phone. As well as this, she told jurors today that she was asked to lie about a third meeting that the girl claimed had taken place. At this third meeting, Friend 1 said, the girl told her that Johnson had met her and given her £50 for a trip away. Friend 1 told the court that she "didn't believe" this meeting had happened because it seemed unrealistic. In her own evidence yesterday, the girl said she was "joking" when she told Friend 1 this meeting had taken place, and that Johnson had given her money. 14 year old girls. Not shocked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 This friend has done her a fucking kipper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Friend 2 also said she was aware of a third meeting being arranged between the girl and Johnson, which then had to be cancelled because he couldn't make it. When asked by the officer what she personally thought would happen at that meeting, Friend 2 said that the girl and Johnson would "have sex". When asked why she thought this, Friend 2 said that's what the girl had told her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I think this is a very weak defence from Johnson, exaggerating about money when she is excited and bouncing about meeting up with a footballer is one thing - lying about sexual contact is entirely different. Lets not forget that Johnson lied about the first two charges for over a year, the girl admitted she exaggerated within a couple of weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes_End_Mag Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Pretty tough ground to debate, but McCormick killed two children while drunk. Are people honestly saying that what Johnson has done is worse than killing two children? Honestly? I'm not defending what Johnson has done (which I hope goes without saying)m but come on. Quite frankly if you've killed someone or sexually abused someone, I would hope that no club would even think about offering you a contract. Spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Don't see why the fact she didn't believe her 15 year old mate was means anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie1892 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 she has said she could exaggerate - fine but she thought she was exagerating about meeting him in the first place which has all turned out to be non-exaggerating tbh this money and london drivel has nowt to do with whether he boinked her or not, its just the defence clutching at straws trying to defame her character Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 How the fuck did she get so many kegs and all that for 50 quid in London? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 How the fuck did she get so many kegs and all that for 50 quid in London? Kiddie sizes, no tax. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Conor Wigwam apparently called the police after becoming aware of mentions of it on social media. How? Picked up the phone, dialled the number for the police and said "Hi I'd like the Emercengy Nonce Division please." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 "I suspect my teammate is suffering from a bad case of nonsilitis". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 "I suspect my teammate is suffering from a bad case of nonsilitis". "With no awareness of the noncequences" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 "If I've telt him nonce I've telt him 1000 times." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 As bad as the Lee Hughes incident was I think it's right he should be allowed back into football like, I'd say the same for most criminals. If you're grooming a 15 year old girl then you're obviously completely f***ed in the head though. The thing that's extra fucked about Johnson and that should stop him being in football moreso, is he very actively used his position as a sunderland player to drive the whole thing, it all comes from a thank you for the shirt. That's where I thought sunderland as his employer could get in bother too. I'd say it's also significantly worse than the Rix case because he knows her age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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