Sunderland

[Toonpack]

But didn't transgress the laws of football

 

Yep, that's the morally corrupt get out

[1964]

Spot on

[Interpolic]

I thought the jury verdict always had to be unanimous or they throw it out or something? Someone tell the judge to watch 12 Angry Men.

[1964]

So if the verdict has to be unanimous if he is found not guilty will that have to be the unanimous view of the jury?

 

Or is that a stupid question?  If so I can't see all 12 thinking he is not guilty, albeit based on the anecdotal sketchy stuff we've had so far

 

Or if they cannot agree on a verdict is he therefore found not guilty?

[sbnufc]

So if the verdict has to be unanimous if he is found not guilty will that have to be the unanimous view of the jury?

 

Or is that a stupid question?  If so I can't see all 12 thinking he is not guilty, albeit based on the anecdotal sketchy stuff we've had so far

 

Or if they cannot agree on a verdict is he therefore found not guilty?

 

Has to be 12 guilty, 0 not guilty.  Even if 11 of them think guitly and 1 not guilty, the verdict will be not guilty

[1964]

I see, cheers

[Wullie]

So if the verdict has to be unanimous if he is found not guilty will that have to be the unanimous view of the jury?

 

Or is that a stupid question?  If so I can't see all 12 thinking he is not guilty, albeit based on the anecdotal sketchy stuff we've had so far

 

Or if they cannot agree on a verdict is he therefore found not guilty?

 

Has to be 12 guilty, 0 not guilty.  Even if 11 of them think guitly and 1 not guilty, the verdict will be not guilty

 

This is completely wrong btw.

 

If the jury don't come to a unanimous verdict, the judge will often revise it down later to a majority one (majority being 10-2). If they can't come to a majority, then the jury is declared hung and the trial is over. Prosecution will usually seek a retrial unless there's a good reason not to. Hung juries are pretty rare though.

[Big Geordie]

Again, I'm arguing with others who say that Sunderland have legally done nothing wrong.  Does morality and ethics not come into it at all? Should Margaret Byrne keep her job and should SAFC have no questions to answer when the trial wraps up?!

[madras]

Ready To Groon see it as Twelve Angry Mags.

[simonsays]

Is there not some legal issue with Sunderland knowingly having a self admitted nonce in a workplace where he will often come into contact with minors?

[Bimpy474]

Is there not some legal issue with Sunderland knowingly having a self admitted nonce in a workplace where he will often come into contact with minors?

 

I was wondering that, i mean did he go to give presents to bairns in hospital last x-mas as clubs do. Did the mascots at their games get to meet him. Basically did he get to meet lots of kids as you would do as a professional footballer as part of the job. As it seems he did with the girl in question.

 

There's a lot for Sunderland to explain in that regard.

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

Could there not be a case that they have conspired to keep him off the register by concealing his plans to plead guilty to at least some of the charges? Again not going to be punished by the FA, but the club have questions to answer.

[Hanshithispantz]

What if the club were secretly feeding him children from their childen shed?

[B-more Mag]

What if the club were secretly feeding him children from their childen shed?

 

Immigrant children or real British?

[Hanshithispantz]

Prime Brittish meat.

[B-more Mag]

Questions would surely be asked.

[shintonsghost]

Ready To Groon see it as Twelve Angry Mags.

 

:D

[Sima]

'children shed'

 

[Beren]

What if the club were secretly feeding him children from their childen shed?

 

Room meets Spotlight

[B-more Mag]

What if the club were secretly feeding him children from their childen shed?

 

Room meets Spotlight

 

[1964]

What if the club were secretly feeding him children from their childen shed?

 

Room meets Spotlight

 

GRoom meets StadiumofLight

[sbnufc]

So if the verdict has to be unanimous if he is found not guilty will that have to be the unanimous view of the jury?

 

Or is that a stupid question?  If so I can't see all 12 thinking he is not guilty, albeit based on the anecdotal sketchy stuff we've had so far

 

Or if they cannot agree on a verdict is he therefore found not guilty?

 

Has to be 12 guilty, 0 not guilty.  Even if 11 of them think guitly and 1 not guilty, the verdict will be not guilty

 

This is completely wrong btw.

 

If the jury don't come to a unanimous verdict, the judge will often revise it down later to a majority one (majority being 10-2). If they can't come to a majority, then the jury is declared hung and the trial is over. Prosecution will usually seek a retrial unless there's a good reason not to. Hung juries are pretty rare though.

 

Why would the judge say "The only score is 12-0" if that's not what he meant?  Surely I wasnt 'completely' wrong..? If it's not 12-0 at this point, it's not guilty. What happens after that comes next

[Darth Crooks]

I think these schoolchildren have to shoulder some of the blame for being so darn sexy

[TK-421]

So if the verdict has to be unanimous if he is found not guilty will that have to be the unanimous view of the jury?

 

Or is that a stupid question?  If so I can't see all 12 thinking he is not guilty, albeit based on the anecdotal sketchy stuff we've had so far

 

Or if they cannot agree on a verdict is he therefore found not guilty?

 

Has to be 12 guilty, 0 not guilty.  Even if 11 of them think guitly and 1 not guilty, the verdict will be not guilty

 

This is completely wrong btw.

 

If the jury don't come to a unanimous verdict, the judge will often revise it down later to a majority one (majority being 10-2). If they can't come to a majority, then the jury is declared hung and the trial is over. Prosecution will usually seek a retrial unless there's a good reason not to. Hung juries are pretty rare though.

 

Why would the judge say "The only score is 12-0" if that's not what he meant?  Surely I wasnt 'completely' wrong..? If it's not 12-0 at this point, it's not guilty. What happens after that comes next

 

Pity its not a 10 man jury, mackems would want a 9-1 verdict.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

So if the verdict has to be unanimous if he is found not guilty will that have to be the unanimous view of the jury?

 

Or is that a stupid question?  If so I can't see all 12 thinking he is not guilty, albeit based on the anecdotal sketchy stuff we've had so far

 

Or if they cannot agree on a verdict is he therefore found not guilty?

 

Has to be 12 guilty, 0 not guilty.  Even if 11 of them think guitly and 1 not guilty, the verdict will be not guilty

 

This is completely wrong btw.

 

If the jury don't come to a unanimous verdict, the judge will often revise it down later to a majority one (majority being 10-2). If they can't come to a majority, then the jury is declared hung and the trial is over. Prosecution will usually seek a retrial unless there's a good reason not to. Hung juries are pretty rare though.

 

Why would the judge say "The only score is 12-0" if that's not what he meant?  Surely I wasnt 'completely' wrong..? If it's not 12-0 at this point, it's not guilty. What happens after that comes next

 

They could find him not guilty 12-0. The judge means at the  moment he will only accept an absolute verdict. In time the jury may be given a majority direction meaning up to two dissenters will be tolerated. If still no verdict then it's a hung Jury.

 

if 11 say guilty and one says not guilty - the verdict at this stage will not be not guilty. It will just mean a verdict hasn't been reached. If the Jury were then given a majority direction the verdict would be guilty. In that respect what you said is completely wrong.