Exiled in Texas Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 f***ing predictable and embarrassing. Again. Will be the same story in the summer. More money he keeps the quicker our loan to him is gone and he has no reason to stay No - the more money he keeps ............... the more reason he has to stay and keep taking out. If there is money coming in, then the only incentive to get out is if there is a better/more lucrative place to invest his money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I never would have guessed Stoke spent that much. Is that accurate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Beggers belief how this club is run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephant Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I never would have guessed Stoke spent that much. Is that accurate? That would just be £18,235m / season. They haven't really had anyone to sell (they haven't really bought anyone with market value for the future, like us) and they only got promoted 2008. They have done enough to stay in the league for five seasons and that is pretty much the cost of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Ashely won't sell a profit-making club that's generating lots of cash for him. That's crazy talk. Some people really need to think things through properly before pressing the "post" button. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Ashely won't sell a profit-making club that's generating lots of cash for him. That's crazy talk. Some people really need to think things through properly before pressing the "post" button. Not being sarcy or anything but is the club generating lots of cash for him? Or to put it another way has he got his money back yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Ashely won't sell a profit-making club that's generating lots of cash for him. That's crazy talk. Some people really need to think things through properly before pressing the "post" button. Not being sarcy or anything but is the club generating lots of cash for him? Or to put it another way has he got his money back yet? not in the slightest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesPaul Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 War room Where do you think clubs store their war chests? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 War room, lots of bodies go out but not many come back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Ashely won't sell a profit-making club that's generating lots of cash for him. That's crazy talk. Some people really need to think things through properly before pressing the "post" button. Not being sarcy or anything but is the club generating lots of cash for him? Or to put it another way has he got his money back yet? Again: Nett last 5 seasons: 1 Manchester City £479,950,000 2 Chelsea £269,759,000 3 Manchester United £138,750,000 4 Stoke City £91,175,000 5 Liverpool £89,400,000 6 Aston Villa £86,000,000 7 Southampton £60,750,000 8 Hull City £47,775,000 9 Sunderland £46,930,000 10 Cardiff City £40,470,000 11 West Ham £30,550,000 12 Norwich City £21,650,000 13 Swansea £18,745,000 14 West Bromwich Albion £14,726,000 15 Crystal Palace £11,950,000 16 Fulham £10,880,000 17 Tottenham £3,850,000 18 Arsenal -£4,125,000 19 Everton -£12,315,500 20 Newcastle -£45,000,000 Add to that the third biggest ground in the country, which is always pretty much full. Now we've raked in £33 million more than the second bottom club, £85m more than the club in 10th. I VERY much doubt that every club ablve 15th place is making tens of millions of pounds worth of loss every year, I find that impossible to believe. And many of these are smaller clubs with less earning potental, smaller grounds and no European football. Therefore the way I see it there are 2 possibilities here: 1) Newcastle United are generating vast amounts of money for Mike Ashley or 2) The people in charge of the finances are such incompetent retards that they need locking up. One of those simply has to be true. Given that Ashley is an acknowledged astute businessman who runs a tight ship, that helps us discount point 2). Therefore if the club claim they're not making a profit, I'd suggest they're lying. Maybe he's not got all his money back, but there's a hell of a lot he can help himself to if he wants. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Lee Ryder @lee_ryder 2m Can understand #nufc fan frustration but club have briefed members of media that there's no more business. No need for the "but" in that sentence .................FFS newcastle have wrecked Ryders career as a north east journalist and he still kisses ass him and pardew are welcome to each other I have just wiped Ryder from my digital life Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Not defending us but look at the three clubs above us, the table doesn't tell the full story, a couple of overpriced sales skew it a little. Still an utter disgrace that we have made no attempt to push on, with the money we've generated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Ashely won't sell a profit-making club that's generating lots of cash for him. That's crazy talk. Some people really need to think things through properly before pressing the "post" button. Not being sarcy or anything but is the club generating lots of cash for him? Or to put it another way has he got his money back yet? Again: Nett last 5 seasons: 1 Manchester City £479,950,000 2 Chelsea £269,759,000 3 Manchester United £138,750,000 4 Stoke City £91,175,000 5 Liverpool £89,400,000 6 Aston Villa £86,000,000 7 Southampton £60,750,000 8 Hull City £47,775,000 9 Sunderland £46,930,000 10 Cardiff City £40,470,000 11 West Ham £30,550,000 12 Norwich City £21,650,000 13 Swansea £18,745,000 14 West Bromwich Albion £14,726,000 15 Crystal Palace £11,950,000 16 Fulham £10,880,000 17 Tottenham £3,850,000 18 Arsenal -£4,125,000 19 Everton -£12,315,500 20 Newcastle -£45,000,000 Add to that the third biggest ground in the country, which is always pretty much full. Now we've raked in £33 million more than the second bottom club, £85m more than the club in 10th. I VERY much doubt that every club ablve 15th place is making tens of millions of pounds worth of loss every year, I find that impossible to believe. And many of these are smaller clubs with less earning potental, smaller grounds and no European football. Therefore the way I see it there are 2 possibilities here: 1) Newcastle United are generating vast amounts of money for Mike Ashley or 2) The people in charge of the finances are such incompetent retards that they need locking up. One of those simply has to be true. Given that Ashley is an acknowledged astute businessman who runs a tight ship, that helps us discount point 2). Therefore if the club claim they're not making a profit, I'd suggest they're lying. Maybe he's not got all his money back, but there's a hell of a lot he can help himself to if he wants. Are you saying that Ashley has pocketed £45m for himself over the last 5 years? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I'm not saying anything of the sort. I'm saying the club has almost certainly made a massive profit in that time. I have no idea whether that money is in the bank or in his trousers, but it's there for him to take if and when he wants as he owns the club lock and stock. I find it impossible to believe we have not made a significant profit given the massive disparity between our income and others from transfers and the fact that we're not a small club in the league either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Ashely won't sell a profit-making club that's generating lots of cash for him. That's crazy talk. Some people really need to think things through properly before pressing the "post" button. Not being sarcy or anything but is the club generating lots of cash for him? Or to put it another way has he got his money back yet? Again: Nett last 5 seasons: 1 Manchester City £479,950,000 2 Chelsea £269,759,000 3 Manchester United £138,750,000 4 Stoke City £91,175,000 5 Liverpool £89,400,000 6 Aston Villa £86,000,000 7 Southampton £60,750,000 8 Hull City £47,775,000 9 Sunderland £46,930,000 10 Cardiff City £40,470,000 11 West Ham £30,550,000 12 Norwich City £21,650,000 13 Swansea £18,745,000 14 West Bromwich Albion £14,726,000 15 Crystal Palace £11,950,000 16 Fulham £10,880,000 17 Tottenham £3,850,000 18 Arsenal -£4,125,000 19 Everton -£12,315,500 20 Newcastle -£45,000,000 Add to that the third biggest ground in the country, which is always pretty much full. Now we've raked in £33 million more than the second bottom club, £85m more than the club in 10th. I VERY much doubt that every club ablve 15th place is making tens of millions of pounds worth of loss every year, I find that impossible to believe. And many of these are smaller clubs with less earning potental, smaller grounds and no European football. Therefore the way I see it there are 2 possibilities here: 1) Newcastle United are generating vast amounts of money for Mike Ashley or 2) The people in charge of the finances are such incompetent retards that they need locking up. One of those simply has to be true. Given that Ashley is an acknowledged astute businessman who runs a tight ship, that helps us discount point 2). Therefore if the club claim they're not making a profit, I'd suggest they're lying. Maybe he's not got all his money back, but there's a hell of a lot he can help himself to if he wants. How much of that total was from when we were in the Championship?, over half of it I'm sure. Which was used to cover the losses for that season. Before you say it yes it was his fault we were in the Championship to begin with. But that doesnt change the financial situation. We should have £20m to spend right now if the club is to be ran on a break even basis (but a lot more than that next summer). If a significant portion doesnt get spent by the summer I think 100% of the fanbase will have the knives out for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Pete O'Rourke @SkySportsPeteO 32s Cardiff are eyeing a move for Newcastle striker Papiss Cisse. #nufc #cardiffcity #SkyDeadlineDay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Ashely won't sell a profit-making club that's generating lots of cash for him. That's crazy talk. Some people really need to think things through properly before pressing the "post" button. Not being sarcy or anything but is the club generating lots of cash for him? Or to put it another way has he got his money back yet? Again: Nett last 5 seasons: 1 Manchester City £479,950,000 2 Chelsea £269,759,000 3 Manchester United £138,750,000 4 Stoke City £91,175,000 5 Liverpool £89,400,000 6 Aston Villa £86,000,000 7 Southampton £60,750,000 8 Hull City £47,775,000 9 Sunderland £46,930,000 10 Cardiff City £40,470,000 11 West Ham £30,550,000 12 Norwich City £21,650,000 13 Swansea £18,745,000 14 West Bromwich Albion £14,726,000 15 Crystal Palace £11,950,000 16 Fulham £10,880,000 17 Tottenham £3,850,000 18 Arsenal -£4,125,000 19 Everton -£12,315,500 20 Newcastle -£45,000,000 Add to that the third biggest ground in the country, which is always pretty much full. Now we've raked in £33 million more than the second bottom club, £85m more than the club in 10th. I VERY much doubt that every club ablve 15th place is making tens of millions of pounds worth of loss every year, I find that impossible to believe. And many of these are smaller clubs with less earning potental, smaller grounds and no European football. Therefore the way I see it there are 2 possibilities here: 1) Newcastle United are generating vast amounts of money for Mike Ashley or 2) The people in charge of the finances are such incompetent retards that they need locking up. One of those simply has to be true. Given that Ashley is an acknowledged astute businessman who runs a tight ship, that helps us discount point 2). Therefore if the club claim they're not making a profit, I'd suggest they're lying. Maybe he's not got all his money back, but there's a hell of a lot he can help himself to if he wants. I might be reading this wrong but we have made a profit of £45m in the last 5 years, Ashley spent around £200m buying the club (and taking on its existing debt). I am probably being thick here but that still leaves him around £155m down on the deal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 How much of that total was from when we were in the Championship?, over half of it I'm sure. Which was used to cover the losses for that season. Before you say it yes it was his fault we were in the Championship to begin with. But that doesnt change the financial situation. We should have £20m to spend right now if the club is to be ran on a break even basis (but a lot more than that next summer). If a significant portion doesnt get spent by the summer I think 100% of the fanbase will have the knives out for him. 6 or 7 of the clubs with a better spend than us have probably been in the Championship during that time frame as well. OK, without our massive earners, admittedly, but without 52000 bums on seats either. But either way, there's arguments and counter arguments over exactly what our profit is or should be, but ultimately that league table is a fucking disgrace for a club of our size. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Rory Smith @RorySmithTimes 49s Newcastle were one of five clubs who wanted to take Rodwell on loan for the rest of the season. Fernando falling through means it's off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I might be reading this wrong but we have made a profit of £45m in the last 5 years, Ashley spent around £200m buying the club (and taking on its existing debt). I am probably being thick here but that still leaves him around £155m down on the deal? That profit is just on transfers. There's other things to consider (TV money, gate revenues, player wages etc) that may make that £45m larger or smaller. But given that other clubs without rich benefactors can splash out way more than us on transfers without going bust, I'd suggest that it will be larger than £45m. But that's irrelevant. I'm not saying he's had his money back, I'm just saying we're very profitable the way we're being run at the moment. And that this will be appealing to someone like Ashley. I actually think he should take his money back, that he should be repaid. I certainly don't expect him to plough endless funds into us like some do just because he's rich. But he shows an astonishing lack of ambition and is putting profit before literally everything else. That is not only s*** to us as fans, it's unnecessary because if we're just properly run rather than run into the ground, he'll get his money back anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaron Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 If we look at the last three transfer windows - Summer 2012-awful transfer window.after finishing 5th.Anita and couple of development players Jan 2013-only because of our situation we spent and after Ba sale it was only 10 million Summer 2013-one loan signing Jan 2014-selling best player and one loan signing. Nothing positive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Pete O'Rourke @SkySportsPeteO 32s Cardiff are eyeing a move for Newcastle striker Papiss Cisse. #nufc #cardiffcity #SkyDeadlineDay If true and happens, another few quid in the sky rocket Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I might be reading this wrong but we have made a profit of £45m in the last 5 years, Ashley spent around £200m buying the club (and taking on its existing debt). I am probably being thick here but that still leaves him around £155m down on the deal? That profit is just on transfers. There's other things to consider (TV money, gate revenues, player wages etc) that may make that £45m larger or smaller. But given that other clubs without rich benefactors can splash out way more than us on transfers without going bust, I'd suggest that it will be larger than £45m. But that's irrelevant. I'm not saying he's had his money back, I'm just saying we're very profitable the way we're being run at the moment. And that this will be appealing to someone like Ashley. I actually think he should take his money back, that he should be repaid. I certainly don't expect him to plough endless funds into us like some do just because he's rich. But he shows an astonishing lack of ambition and is putting profit before literally everything else. That is not only s*** to us as fans, it's unnecessary because if we're just properly run rather than run into the ground, he'll get his money back anyway. He's a tight cunt, no doubt about it. I just don't see him being back in the black 5 years after buying the club and this gives me some hope if the right offer comes in to break even or even make a little out of the deal he will decide the club doesn't bring in enough money quickly enough to be a worthwhile investment so will call it quits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Well I agree he's not back in the black yet. Certainly not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Pete O'Rourke @SkySportsPeteO 32s Cardiff are eyeing a move for Newcastle striker Papiss Cisse. #nufc #cardiffcity #SkyDeadlineDay If true and happens, another few quid in the sky rocket Skirgey style Mutch & a few quid swap deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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