Mole_Toonfan Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I know forward planning isn't NUFC's forte - but if ( a big if) we were looking for a complete overhaul of playing style and personnel - wingers - talented midfielders - (a defence) with an ability to press and release balls quickly coupled with intelligent attacking play - would it be possible for Bas Dost to be the focal point of our team? I totally agree that in the current set up he would be redundant. Don't think our lot is smart enough to think ahead like that sadly, i would still want someone different but it would at least make logical sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Look, I'm not being negative for negativity's sake here unlike what some people might think. Think about it: why would a Dutch poster on a NUFC board with a history of defending Dutch and Eredivisie players when they have been (in my opinion) undervalued come out and express dismay at the arrival of a possible Dutch number 9 at Newcastle? I would love nothing more than to see a Dutch striker become a hero at this club. I wanted us to sign Dirk Kuyt back when we were supposedly after him. I have no ulterior motive here, I couldn't possible have. I hope we don't sign Bas Dost. That doesn't mean I'm writing him off before he's even kicked a ball for us or will not give him a chance because he's not our player yet, and whilst that is the case I sincerely hope we look elsewhere and aim higher. His record isn't all that bad and I will always defend any Eredvisie striker record against the likes of Ronaldo (the poster) who suggest the league is so weak that any striker could score over 30. That said, he scored 77 goals in 163 competitive games in Holland (one season in Jupiler League, 4 in Eredivisie), or slightly under one in two. Take out his "Pardew 5th place season" anomaly and it drops to in 39 in 124, or slightly under one in three. Wolfsburg shelled out for him when his stock was high (after the anomaly) and at the higher Bundesliga level you would expect a striker with these numbers in Holland to score maybe one in four in a stronger league, which proved to be the case in his first two seasons at Wolsburg (12 in 41 in Bundesliga), where he was a squad player at best despite the fact that they had paid just shy of 10m euros for him. His hot streak earlier this year for Wolfsburg was seriously impressive, but nobody saw it coming (a bit like Papiss Cisse's streak in his first few months here) and I think nobody who closely follows the German league can realistically see him replicating it, not least Wolsburg which explains why they want to cash in on him while his stock is (once again) high. Having said all that, his goalscoring record is not my biggest worry with Bas Dost. It is the fact that he is the type of player that needs the team to be built around him and quite frankly, he is not good enough for that to happen at the top level. Considering our current group of players, there is hardly anybody here at this point in time capable of providing him the service he would require to be even considered half decent. Bas Dost is more or less purely a box player, a luxury we sadly cannot afford as we are in deperate need (in my view) of a forward who can transform the way we play offensively, and by this I don't mean hoofing it at the big lump up top, but somebody with some pace, movement and intelligence about him. A wider criticism would be what this transfer represents, especially coming in the wake of Mike Ashley speaking of Champions League football and talking about the club finally pushing above its weight. Bas Dost is to the Newcastle number 9 shirt what Steve McClaren is to the Newcastle hot seat: utterly underwhelming and a sign not of renewed ambition, but of ingrained mediocrity. It is simply not good enough and ultimately all this penny penching and taking chances in the hope that some may come off will only continue to see us fall further down the footballing ladder. The club is absolutely raking it in from TV revenue, posting profit after profit and the most we have spent on a striker under Ashley (one of the richest people on the planet) is 10 million pounds or about half what a good lower Premier League/top Championship forward would set you back nowadays. Yes, I am negative about the direction of the club in general and this potential transfer in particular, but I don't f***ing want to be. I would much rather the club was run ambitiously with a striker capable of replicating the heroics of the best number 9's we've seen over the years. I'm sorry to say there is no way that Bas Dost will ever be that player, not ever. His goalscoring record as well as his all round play are nowhere near good enough. Preach it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Not Messi or Ronaldo, wnb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pont-toon Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Look, I'm not being negative for negativity's sake here unlike what some people might think. Think about it: why would a Dutch poster on a NUFC board with a history of defending Dutch and Eredivisie players when they have been (in my opinion) undervalued come out and express dismay at the arrival of a possible Dutch number 9 at Newcastle? I would love nothing more than to see a Dutch striker become a hero at this club. I wanted us to sign Dirk Kuyt back when we were supposedly after him. I have no ulterior motive here, I couldn't possible have. I hope we don't sign Bas Dost. That doesn't mean I'm writing him off before he's even kicked a ball for us or will not give him a chance because he's not our player yet, and whilst that is the case I sincerely hope we look elsewhere and aim higher. His record isn't all that bad and I will always defend any Eredvisie striker record against the likes of Ronaldo (the poster) who suggest the league is so weak that any striker could score over 30. That said, he scored 77 goals in 163 competitive games in Holland (one season in Jupiler League, 4 in Eredivisie), or slightly under one in two. Take out his "Pardew 5th place season" anomaly and it drops to in 39 in 124, or slightly under one in three. Wolfsburg shelled out for him when his stock was high (after the anomaly) and at the higher Bundesliga level you would expect a striker with these numbers in Holland to score maybe one in four in a stronger league, which proved to be the case in his first two seasons at Wolsburg (12 in 41 in Bundesliga), where he was a squad player at best despite the fact that they had paid just shy of 10m euros for him. His hot streak earlier this year for Wolfsburg was seriously impressive, but nobody saw it coming (a bit like Papiss Cisse's streak in his first few months here) and I think nobody who closely follows the German league can realistically see him replicating it, not least Wolsburg which explains why they want to cash in on him while his stock is (once again) high. Having said all that, his goalscoring record is not my biggest worry with Bas Dost. It is the fact that he is the type of player that needs the team to be built around him and quite frankly, he is not good enough for that to happen at the top level. Considering our current group of players, there is hardly anybody here at this point in time capable of providing him the service he would require to be even considered half decent. Bas Dost is more or less purely a box player, a luxury we sadly cannot afford as we are in deperate need (in my view) of a forward who can transform the way we play offensively, and by this I don't mean hoofing it at the big lump up top, but somebody with some pace, movement and intelligence about him. A wider criticism would be what this transfer represents, especially coming in the wake of Mike Ashley speaking of Champions League football and talking about the club finally pushing above its weight. Bas Dost is to the Newcastle number 9 shirt what Steve McClaren is to the Newcastle hot seat: utterly underwhelming and a sign not of renewed ambition, but of ingrained mediocrity. It is simply not good enough and ultimately all this penny penching and taking chances in the hope that some may come off will only continue to see us fall further down the footballing ladder. The club is absolutely raking it in from TV revenue, posting profit after profit and the most we have spent on a striker under Ashley (one of the richest people on the planet) is 10 million pounds or about half what a good lower Premier League/top Championship forward would set you back nowadays. Yes, I am negative about the direction of the club in general and this potential transfer in particular, but I don't f***ing want to be. I would much rather the club was run ambitiously with a striker capable of replicating the heroics of the best number 9's we've seen over the years. I'm sorry to say there is no way that Bas Dost will ever be that player, not ever. His goalscoring record as well as his all round play are nowhere near good enough. Not many people chin big baz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Not Messi or Ronaldo, wnb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Have seen next to nowt of him but his goalscoring record since he stopped playing for fictional teams is rather impressive. Unbelievable is clearly more knowledgeable on the subject of Bas but purely because he has a pleasant name I feel his goalscoring will transfer seamlessly to the Premier League. Hope we sign him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Look, I'm not being negative for negativity's sake here unlike what some people might think. Think about it: why would a Dutch poster on a NUFC board with a history of defending Dutch and Eredivisie players when they have been (in my opinion) undervalued come out and express dismay at the arrival of a possible Dutch number 9 at Newcastle? I would love nothing more than to see a Dutch striker become a hero at this club. I wanted us to sign Dirk Kuyt back when we were supposedly after him. I have no ulterior motive here, I couldn't possible have. I hope we don't sign Bas Dost. That doesn't mean I'm writing him off before he's even kicked a ball for us or will not give him a chance because he's not our player yet, and whilst that is the case I sincerely hope we look elsewhere and aim higher. His record isn't all that bad and I will always defend any Eredvisie striker record against the likes of Ronaldo (the poster) who suggest the league is so weak that any striker could score over 30. That said, he scored 77 goals in 163 competitive games in Holland (one season in Jupiler League, 4 in Eredivisie), or slightly under one in two. Take out his "Pardew 5th place season" anomaly and it drops to in 39 in 124, or slightly under one in three. Wolfsburg shelled out for him when his stock was high (after the anomaly) and at the higher Bundesliga level you would expect a striker with these numbers in Holland to score maybe one in four in a stronger league, which proved to be the case in his first two seasons at Wolsburg (12 in 41 in Bundesliga), where he was a squad player at best despite the fact that they had paid just shy of 10m euros for him. His hot streak earlier this year for Wolfsburg was seriously impressive, but nobody saw it coming (a bit like Papiss Cisse's streak in his first few months here) and I think nobody who closely follows the German league can realistically see him replicating it, not least Wolsburg which explains why they want to cash in on him while his stock is (once again) high. Having said all that, his goalscoring record is not my biggest worry with Bas Dost. It is the fact that he is the type of player that needs the team to be built around him and quite frankly, he is not good enough for that to happen at the top level. Considering our current group of players, there is hardly anybody here at this point in time capable of providing him the service he would require to be even considered half decent. Bas Dost is more or less purely a box player, a luxury we sadly cannot afford as we are in deperate need (in my view) of a forward who can transform the way we play offensively, and by this I don't mean hoofing it at the big lump up top, but somebody with some pace, movement and intelligence about him. A wider criticism would be what this transfer represents, especially coming in the wake of Mike Ashley speaking of Champions League football and talking about the club finally pushing above its weight. Bas Dost is to the Newcastle number 9 shirt what Steve McClaren is to the Newcastle hot seat: utterly underwhelming and a sign not of renewed ambition, but of ingrained mediocrity. It is simply not good enough and ultimately all this penny penching and taking chances in the hope that some may come off will only continue to see us fall further down the footballing ladder. The club is absolutely raking it in from TV revenue, posting profit after profit and the most we have spent on a striker under Ashley (one of the richest people on the planet) is 10 million pounds or about half what a good lower Premier League/top Championship forward would set you back nowadays. Yes, I am negative about the direction of the club in general and this potential transfer in particular, but I don't f***ing want to be. I would much rather the club was run ambitiously with a striker capable of replicating the heroics of the best number 9's we've seen over the years. I'm sorry to say there is no way that Bas Dost will ever be that player, not ever. His goalscoring record as well as his all round play are nowhere near good enough. There is no one I would trust more than unbelievable on players from the dutch league, if he has reservations then the wise thing to do is listen to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Have seen next to nowt of him but his goalscoring record since he stopped playing for fictional teams is rather impressive. Unbelievable is clearly more knowledgeable on the subject of Bas but purely because he has a pleasant name I feel his goalscoring will transfer seamlessly to the Premier League. Hope we sign him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I hope we don't sign him. I know we won't end up signing anyone but there's no point spending money on garbage either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 What happened to the Poll? I want to vote for UB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Think this Bas Dost argument is fucking stupid personally. Okay he's limited and won't contribute to play and under the Pardew/Carver axis of evil he'd be a waste of time. However whatever we think of McLaren in the big picture I'm confident he knows enough to understand that signing a limited big man without changing the way we play will fail. There's reasons to be negative, but let's not get carried away with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I'm not convinced by Dost's goal scoring ability by any means, based on what I've read about him and trusting the opinions of those posters who've seen him play with some regularity. But we do need another striker and Dost seems like a capable target forward, a guy who can come in and hold-up play. As much as it pains me to say to use this shitty phrase, I think de Jong is really "like a new signing", having missed most of last season...he seems like the perfect player to sit underneath a target forward and provide a goal scoring threat. I think Cisse could benefit from having a strike partner as well if we opt to go with two men up top. A front 4 of Dost Perez De Jong Cabella could work, IMO. Of course, the problem will arise when we sign Dost, ship out Cisse and don't get another striker in, leaving us in the same position as last year. I'd rather we man up and sign a well-rounded striker, but at this point, we're fucking desperate for bodies that aren't Rivière, Gouffran, or Obertan. As unbelievable said, signing Dost just further screams of a lack of ambition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Unless I've misinterpreted his abilities and Dost isn't at all capable of holding the ball up, in which case fuck that last post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Again I'll repeat for those who are so deeply ingrained in Pardewland that I have no doubt whatsoever McLaren is smart enough to realise a limited big man needs service, or conversely a quality tricky fucker needs less service. AP understood neither of these things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Again I'll repeat for those who are so deeply ingrained in Pardewland that I have no doubt whatsoever McLaren is smart enough to realise a limited big man needs service, or conversely a quality tricky f***er needs less service. AP understood neither of these things. No doubt but until i see evidence of McClaren impacting the team with my eyes, i'm rolling with negative cunt Mole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 We've not one good crosser of the ball - you are talking about a complete overhaul in the way we play to accommodate him. Not going to happen...we need a remy type to suit our squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I'd be fairly pleased about the signing of Dost, if we were pumping another £75 million into the team. But Dost, regardless of how good he is or isn't, plus another £7.5 million on some kid we hope might turn into Cabaye is how it'll pan out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 We need both. I'd be happy with Dost or Deeney if they came with someone like Remy or Austin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 It's always next week: http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-united-look-strengthen-defence-9492360 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 It's starting to get really exciting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest taps01 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Deja vu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Someone call the fire brigade, I can smell burning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Or something else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 I was at the phillipe Albert night last night and it was hosted by Pete graves from sky sports and he said that there is nothing doing on the transfer front at Newcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Bet it was a rip-roaring evening Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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