Miercoles Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 When someone says: ‘Does he have any say (in transfers)?’ Yes. Does he have the final say? No he doesn’t. There’s a difference there. It’s trying to find that balance but also an individual in a head coach that trusts us. If we say ‘You aren’t going to get that now but you will in the summer’, it’s someone who is prepared to say ‘OK’ and trusts us to do that. It’s also someone that for example, if we were to get an offer for a player that is at a value that we want to take, isn’t nervous about getting a replacement. There has to be a trust. trust us and believe in what we do. :anguish: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Apparently press conference at 3:16 Why not just have it at quarter past? Fucking brilliant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. The problem with our system won't be that Schteve won't have the final say, but that we'll happily sell any player and then simply not bother replacing him, as well as our extreme penny pinching that won't see us pay the going rate for anyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. Yep, I don't get the problem with it at all, much better to have a recruitment policy that persists over the long term. It's hilarious to hear dense pundits try to get their heads around how Rodgers can't be held 100% responsible for transfers at Liverpool. It's like their brains can't comprehend people working as a team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. The problem with our system won't be that Schteve won't have the final say, but that we'll happily sell any player and then simply not bother replacing him, as well as our extreme penny pinching that won't see us pay the going rate for anyone. Well said. Sick of hearing people make out like its completely alien in all of football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. The problem with our system won't be that Schteve won't have the final say, but that we'll happily sell any player and then simply not bother replacing him, as well as our extreme penny pinching that won't see us pay the going rate for anyone. As long as they're not forcing players on a manager then it's a good system IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Steve and Austin to turn up today?.. Would be a good start at least Over the head of the young ones on here i think! Maybe it went over your head too if you are that old Rehire Stone and sign Ryan Gauld from Sporting Lisbon and we're sorted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. The problem with our system won't be that Schteve won't have the final say, but that we'll happily sell any player and then simply not bother replacing him, as well as our extreme penny pinching that won't see us pay the going rate for anyone. As long as they're not forcing players on a manager then it's a good system IMO. That's exactly what they would be doing by default though if the manager hasn't got the final say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Would open up a can. Stifler just opened a can of dumbass on this thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. The problem with our system won't be that Schteve won't have the final say, but that we'll happily sell any player and then simply not bother replacing him, as well as our extreme penny pinching that won't see us pay the going rate for anyone. As long as they're not forcing players on a manager then it's a good system IMO. That's exactly what they would be doing by default though if the manager hasn't got the final say. We don't know the setup but what I would see as being ideal is that we don't sign anyone unless both McClaren and Carr are in agreement that he is both good enough to improve the squad and is a good fit for the way the manager wants to play. As long as McClaren and Carr have a good relationship I'd guess they'll work together well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 People just need to be more grown up about it. No manager has exactly the squad they want, it's part of their job to use the tools they're given. Obviously the press need to wake up to this situation as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Apparently press conference at 3:16 Why not just have it at quarter past? What? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. The problem with our system won't be that Schteve won't have the final say, but that we'll happily sell any player and then simply not bother replacing him, as well as our extreme penny pinching that won't see us pay the going rate for anyone. As long as they're not forcing players on a manager then it's a good system IMO. That's exactly what they would be doing by default though if the manager hasn't got the final say. We don't know the setup but what I would see as being ideal is that we don't sign anyone unless both McClaren and Carr are in agreement that he is both good enough to improve the squad and is a good fit for the way the manager wants to play. As long as McClaren and Carr have a good relationship I'd guess they'll work together well. Yeah, we cannot have it like it was under Pardew where he was just refusing to play anyone he didn't want Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. The problem with our system won't be that Schteve won't have the final say, but that we'll happily sell any player and then simply not bother replacing him, as well as our extreme penny pinching that won't see us pay the going rate for anyone. As long as they're not forcing players on a manager then it's a good system IMO. That's exactly what they would be doing by default though if the manager hasn't got the final say. We don't know the setup but what I would see as being ideal is that we don't sign anyone unless both McClaren and Carr are in agreement that he is both good enough to improve the squad and is a good fit for the way the manager wants to play. As long as McClaren and Carr have a good relationship I'd guess they'll work together well. Yeah, we cannot have it like it was under Pardew where he was just refusing to play anyone he didn't want The absolute worst way that this system could have worked with A stubborn, smug prick of a manager that prefers old fashioned British players and a "head scout" that seems to prefer flair players being instructed by the those above him to find cheap as chips players from around Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Pardew was the wrong manager for the club but giving him players he didn't want was still a stupid idea. Fair enough having a hands off role in scouting and transfer dealings but to have players brought in that he doesn't want will never work, I'm not sure this is as prevalent in the footballing world as you think it is tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. The problem with our system won't be that Schteve won't have the final say, but that we'll happily sell any player and then simply not bother replacing him, as well as our extreme penny pinching that won't see us pay the going rate for anyone. I disagree, ultimately each club employs a manager and supposedly trusts their opinion and knowledge of football, so back that trust by letting him have the final say on the players he will be working with day in day out. If you don't trust the managers opinions on football to that extent why the fuck are you employing him then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. The problem with our system won't be that Schteve won't have the final say, but that we'll happily sell any player and then simply not bother replacing him, as well as our extreme penny pinching that won't see us pay the going rate for anyone. I disagree, ultimately each club employs a manager and supposedly trusts their opinion and knowledge of football, so back that trust by letting him have the final say on the players he will be working with day in day out. If you don't trust the managers opinions on football to that extent why the f*** are you employing him then. That's silly. Clubs trust their manager's opinion, and that's why a properly run club will have a manager's input on what are his perceived needs for the squad. But a specialised Football Director will have more time and knowledge to go and comb the market, and then come back with a list of players which the manager will again get to comment on. And no responsible DoF will ever sign a player that a manager doesn't want, it never works. That's how it works in Europe, and it's not like European clubs suck compared to English ones. Also, separating player recruitment from the figure of the manager allows the club to have a stability in footballing philosophy. Look at us, we have had several managers in the past 10 years, and all have put its stamp on the team, but the overall approach to how we play has been essentially the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 "final say" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I don't think final say is that important either TBH. It's a negotiation, sometimes the manager will get exactly the player he wants and sometimes he won't. Whatever, his job is to get the best out of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. The problem with our system won't be that Schteve won't have the final say, but that we'll happily sell any player and then simply not bother replacing him, as well as our extreme penny pinching that won't see us pay the going rate for anyone. I disagree, ultimately each club employs a manager and supposedly trusts their opinion and knowledge of football, so back that trust by letting him have the final say on the players he will be working with day in day out. If you don't trust the managers opinions on football to that extent why the fuck are you employing him then. It doesn't make sense having ONE man in charge of the entire running of the football side of things though. Let the manager be in charge of coaching and tactics and someone else handle transfers. It's not an issue whether you trust your manager or not, it's about sharing responsibilities between more people. Sure, a manager will have scouts under him that will do a lot of work, but ultimately, the more you have seen of a player, the better you will know him and a DOF will always have time to watch more players and study them more carefully than a manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. The problem with our system won't be that Schteve won't have the final say, but that we'll happily sell any player and then simply not bother replacing him, as well as our extreme penny pinching that won't see us pay the going rate for anyone. I disagree, ultimately each club employs a manager and supposedly trusts their opinion and knowledge of football, so back that trust by letting him have the final say on the players he will be working with day in day out. If you don't trust the managers opinions on football to that extent why the fuck are you employing him then. You're employing him because you trust his opinion on coaching, team selection and tactics. He's there to coach the team, select the players and work out the best way to beat whatever team we're playing. That doesn't mean he has to be ultimately responsible for absolutely everything. The most important thing is that the manager/head coach should be the one to tell people which positions need to be filled, if he wants a central defender and a striker we shouldn't be signing a left back and a right winger. But it should be up to the recruitment people to go out and look for the central defender and striker, report back to the head coach, discuss things and then come to a agreement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueview Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. The problem with our system won't be that Schteve won't have the final say, but that we'll happily sell any player and then simply not bother replacing him, as well as our extreme penny pinching that won't see us pay the going rate for anyone. I disagree, ultimately each club employs a manager and supposedly trusts their opinion and knowledge of football, so back that trust by letting him have the final say on the players he will be working with day in day out. If you don't trust the managers opinions on football to that extent why the f*** are you employing him then. Apart from Arsene Wenger I can´t say that there are any real managers left.. At all clubs there are transfer committees with 3-5 people all having their say about new players. At City as an example it´s the head coach, the DoF, the head scout, the CEO and someone else I forgot that decide on new players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I don't think final say is that important either TBH. It's a negotiation, sometimes the manager will get exactly the player he wants and sometimes he won't. Whatever, his job is to get the best out of them. Of course it is, it's the most important say of all in fact, it decides whether or now we're going to attempt to sign the player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I don't think final say is that important either TBH. It's a negotiation, sometimes the manager will get exactly the player he wants and sometimes he won't. Whatever, his job is to get the best out of them. I agree, as long as he is part of the process and has his input that's what counts, for example if they are targeting a striker, the manager says what he needs this or that characteristic/skill wise and then a list is drawn up each meeting the clubs demands for a certain age, fee, wages etc as long as the manager would be happy with any of the 2/3 on the list it isn't the end of the world he didn't get his number one pick. The issue has been we have just signed a player and said to the manager here he is make it work. Not saying its perfect as we no doubt will pick the cheaper not the best option but it will hopefully mean the manager is willing to play the person and not write them off the second they land on the training ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Austin would be a class signing and that's the bottom line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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