Village Idiot Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. The problem with our system won't be that Schteve won't have the final say, but that we'll happily sell any player and then simply not bother replacing him, as well as our extreme penny pinching that won't see us pay the going rate for anyone. I disagree, ultimately each club employs a manager and supposedly trusts their opinion and knowledge of football, so back that trust by letting him have the final say on the players he will be working with day in day out. If you don't trust the managers opinions on football to that extent why the f*** are you employing him then. That's silly. Clubs trust their manager's opinion, and that's why a properly run club will have a manager's input on what are his perceived needs for the squad. But a specialised Football Director will have more time and knowledge to go and comb the market, and then come back with a list of players which the manager will again get to comment on. And no responsible DoF will ever sign a player that a manager doesn't want, it never works. That's how it works in Europe, and it's not like European clubs suck compared to English ones. Also, separating player recruitment from the figure of the manager allows the club to have a stability in footballing philosophy. Look at us, we have had several managers in the past 10 years, and all have put its stamp on the team, but the overall approach to how we play has been essentially the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 "final say" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I don't think final say is that important either TBH. It's a negotiation, sometimes the manager will get exactly the player he wants and sometimes he won't. Whatever, his job is to get the best out of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. The problem with our system won't be that Schteve won't have the final say, but that we'll happily sell any player and then simply not bother replacing him, as well as our extreme penny pinching that won't see us pay the going rate for anyone. I disagree, ultimately each club employs a manager and supposedly trusts their opinion and knowledge of football, so back that trust by letting him have the final say on the players he will be working with day in day out. If you don't trust the managers opinions on football to that extent why the fuck are you employing him then. It doesn't make sense having ONE man in charge of the entire running of the football side of things though. Let the manager be in charge of coaching and tactics and someone else handle transfers. It's not an issue whether you trust your manager or not, it's about sharing responsibilities between more people. Sure, a manager will have scouts under him that will do a lot of work, but ultimately, the more you have seen of a player, the better you will know him and a DOF will always have time to watch more players and study them more carefully than a manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. The problem with our system won't be that Schteve won't have the final say, but that we'll happily sell any player and then simply not bother replacing him, as well as our extreme penny pinching that won't see us pay the going rate for anyone. I disagree, ultimately each club employs a manager and supposedly trusts their opinion and knowledge of football, so back that trust by letting him have the final say on the players he will be working with day in day out. If you don't trust the managers opinions on football to that extent why the fuck are you employing him then. You're employing him because you trust his opinion on coaching, team selection and tactics. He's there to coach the team, select the players and work out the best way to beat whatever team we're playing. That doesn't mean he has to be ultimately responsible for absolutely everything. The most important thing is that the manager/head coach should be the one to tell people which positions need to be filled, if he wants a central defender and a striker we shouldn't be signing a left back and a right winger. But it should be up to the recruitment people to go out and look for the central defender and striker, report back to the head coach, discuss things and then come to a agreement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueview Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. The problem with our system won't be that Schteve won't have the final say, but that we'll happily sell any player and then simply not bother replacing him, as well as our extreme penny pinching that won't see us pay the going rate for anyone. I disagree, ultimately each club employs a manager and supposedly trusts their opinion and knowledge of football, so back that trust by letting him have the final say on the players he will be working with day in day out. If you don't trust the managers opinions on football to that extent why the f*** are you employing him then. Apart from Arsene Wenger I can´t say that there are any real managers left.. At all clubs there are transfer committees with 3-5 people all having their say about new players. At City as an example it´s the head coach, the DoF, the head scout, the CEO and someone else I forgot that decide on new players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I don't think final say is that important either TBH. It's a negotiation, sometimes the manager will get exactly the player he wants and sometimes he won't. Whatever, his job is to get the best out of them. Of course it is, it's the most important say of all in fact, it decides whether or now we're going to attempt to sign the player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I don't think final say is that important either TBH. It's a negotiation, sometimes the manager will get exactly the player he wants and sometimes he won't. Whatever, his job is to get the best out of them. I agree, as long as he is part of the process and has his input that's what counts, for example if they are targeting a striker, the manager says what he needs this or that characteristic/skill wise and then a list is drawn up each meeting the clubs demands for a certain age, fee, wages etc as long as the manager would be happy with any of the 2/3 on the list it isn't the end of the world he didn't get his number one pick. The issue has been we have just signed a player and said to the manager here he is make it work. Not saying its perfect as we no doubt will pick the cheaper not the best option but it will hopefully mean the manager is willing to play the person and not write them off the second they land on the training ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Austin would be a class signing and that's the bottom line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Austin would be a class signing and that's the bottom line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 There is no other sport in the world where a manager/coach leads player recruitment. And in football, where talent can come from anywhere on the planet, it's even more ridiculous to think it would be successful. There is absolutely nothing wrong with our setup on paper. The problem is we're run by a cheap prick and we do most of our shopping in the bargain aisle with an eye on a purely financial ROI, instead of filling needs and reaching for that extra bit of quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 There is no other sport in the world where a manager/coach leads player recruitment. And in football, where talent can come from anywhere on the planet, it's even more ridiculous to think it would be successful. There is absolutely nothing wrong with our setup on paper. The problem is we're run by a cheap prick and we do most of our shopping in the bargain aisle with an eye on a purely financial ROI, instead of filling needs and reaching for that extra bit of quality. Aye and we sell all of our good players quickly. We rarely give contract extensions to senior players. Just a merry-go-round. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Austin would be a class signing and that's the bottom line. That's a stone cold fact right there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 What? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/steven-universe/images/5/5f/I-see-what-you-did-there-rage-face-meme.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141129055134 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobS Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 What? :kasper: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Any excuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bobbyfisher Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 should be chasing this defender....<? http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/contract-rebel-ron-vlaar-eyes-5847819 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Absolutely not! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 There is no other sport in the world where a manager/coach leads player recruitment. And in football, where talent can come from anywhere on the planet, it's even more ridiculous to think it would be successful. There is absolutely nothing wrong with our setup on paper. The problem is we're run by a cheap prick and we do most of our shopping in the bargain aisle with an eye on a purely financial ROI, instead of filling needs and reaching for that extra bit of quality. i agree with this completely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-united-move-appeals-charlie-9430352 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillClinton Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Only the whole "agreeing to a fee" part remains. Practically a done deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Micah Richards is surely worth a punt on a free?! He's been around for years but he only 26! Good cover at RB too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I'm not to keen on Richards him a Saylor have a combined iq of about 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Shame about his constant injuries and cauliflower instead of a brain! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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