The Managerial Merry Go Round™

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, Paully said:

Absolutely outrageous how they've treated Ten Haag mind - he must be embarressed by it

 

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5543044/2024/06/12/erik-ten-hag-manchester-united-why-not-sacked/

 

New contract for the bald magician. He'll be happy.

[Dr.Spaceman]

Imagine going to Ibiza for a 1-2-1 with your boss 

[Tiresias]

7 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

When people say this, who are they talking about? Sancho and Ronaldo? Fans are 100% behind him with both. We're delighted with how he's handled them.

 

Ronaldo looked spot on, the Sancho thing looked like Sancho was being unprofessional but also like it got blown up into a massive standoff that i think a better manager would have found a way to defuse and got some performance out of him who may need different management to get back to his best. 

 

It's difficult to know if there is a lot of drama because of the manager or just because of the clown show behind the scenes where everything gets leaked. So will retract partially.

[Checko]

Dunno what happened with Sancho, but the flip in blaming Ten Hag is to say maybe Eddie should have found a way to integrate Ryan Fraser back into the squad instead of banishing him. Could have done with his little legs at times last season.

 

Obviously Sancho is a much more valuable asset, but sometimes you've just got to put a red line in the sand to avoid crossing the rubicon to the tipping point of no return.

 

 

 

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, Tiresias said:

Ronaldo looked spot on, the Sancho thing looked like Sancho was being unprofessional but also like it got blown up into a massive standoff that i think a better manager would have found a way to defuse and got some performance out of him who may need different management to get back to his best. 

 

It's difficult to know if there is a lot of drama because of the manager or just because of the clown show behind the scenes where everything gets leaked. So will retract partially.

 

The Sancho situation is essentially this:

 

He was given three months off to go and get his head right and put on a specialised training program for his fitness after Ten Hag expressed concern over the way he was acting and training. He came back and when he was brought on as a sub and you could see Ten Hag essentially congratulating him and telling him to go and enjoy himself. It was all smiles, all positive body language.

 

Fast forward a few months and he's late to training again, sleeping in and staying up playing the playstation all night. His committment levels dropped as did his fitness, which was really poor after what the club had done for him. Ten Hag was asked about why he was dropped in a post match interview after a defeat against Arsenal, and told the truth that he wasn't fit enough to be in the squad. I won't argue with anyone who believes this was the wrong approach, but it was the truth and the club had protected him enough at this point. Sancho obviously took issue with being publicly called out and went straight on to social media to have a little moan and claim he's being made to be a scapegoat.

 

The worst thing of all, is that all Ten Hag has asked for is an apology, and he'd be straight back into the team. Sancho has refused. Ten Hag won't budge.

 

Ten Hag in my opinion is 100% right not to give in to player power. If Rashford hadn't apologised after the Belfast fiasco then he'd be out on loan or rotting in the reserves as well. I know I give Rashford a lot of stick as well, but three times he's dropped by Ten Hag for various reasons like being late or going out in bars when he shouldn't have. He's apologised each time, and they've moved on and he's been straight back into the team. It's a simple case of the manager demanding respect. Sancho doesn't have any respect.

 

It was the same at Dortmund as well, but he was performing to an extremely high level (that he isn't capable of at Premier League level IMO) so it wasn't as publicised. He was fined and made to train with the youth multiple times in Germany though. He's a waste of space.

[Cronky]

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

 

The Glazers have absolutely nothing to do with the footballing side anymore. 

 

 

It was reported that the plan was for Ratcliffe, Brailsford and Joel Glazer to form a three-man football committee to have the ultimate responsibility for football matters. 

 

I'd be very surprised if that's changed. The Glazers own 75% of the club. To allow a 25% shareholder to have completely free rein over a major part of the business seems absurd and unworkable.

 

The whole thing looks like an uneasy compromise. The Glazers wanted to maintain control of the club but also to attract investment from outside. Ratcliffe wanted to buy the club but settled for a minority stake with the carrot of being able to play at real-life Football Manager. That looks inherently unstable.

[Jack27]

 

[Cronky]

1 hour ago, Checko said:

Dunno what happened with Sancho, but the flip in blaming Ten Hag is to say maybe Eddie should have found a way to integrate Ryan Fraser back into the squad instead of banishing him. Could have done with his little legs at times last season.

 

Obviously Sancho is a much more valuable asset, but sometimes you've just got to put a red line in the sand to avoid crossing the rubicon to the tipping point of no return.

 

 

 

 

Eddie has made it clear that he only wants players who are prepared to give 100%. He would rather play an inferior player who gives his all, than pick a star who thinks he only has to give 80% to stay in the team.

 

There's no way back for Sancho, but they still have a similar issue with Rashford IMO. 

[Froggy]

17 minutes ago, Cronky said:

 

It was reported that the plan was for Ratcliffe, Brailsford and Joel Glazer to form a three-man football committee to have the ultimate responsibility for football matters. 

 

I'd be very surprised if that's changed. The Glazers own 75% of the club. To allow a 25% shareholder to have completely free rein over a major part of the business seems absurd and unworkable.

 

The whole thing looks like an uneasy compromise. The Glazers wanted to maintain control of the club but also to attract investment from outside. Ratcliffe wanted to buy the club but settled for a minority stake with the carrot of being able to play at real-life Football Manager. That looks inherently unstable.

 

It was Ratcliffe, Brailsford, Wilcox and Blanc in Monaco. The Glazers just want the paycheck. The stipulation of the Ratcliffe investment was that they'd gain full control over the footballing side of things.

[AJ9]

17 minutes ago, Jack27 said:

 

Would be a good fit here if Howe went to England.

[Ketsbaia]

Will Terzic go where Still and Rosenior wouldn't dare?

[TRon]

4 minutes ago, AJ9 said:

Would be a good fit here if Howe went to England.

 

He'd be a good fit anywhere, his team ouptlayed us twice. I have a feeling he's going places.

[LFEE]

 

[Geogaddi]

1 minute ago, LFEE said:

 

They have basically kept him because nobody else wanted the job.

[joeyt]

I don't think I had remember a summer with so many managerial changes and speculation 

[80]

16 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

He'd be a good fit anywhere, his team ouptlayed us twice. I have a feeling he's going places.

Same. I wasn't surprised they got to the final after seeing them against us. Sounds like they've had internal power struggles?

[GeordieDazzler]

They were pretty poor in the league, given their relative financial advantage over everyone other than Bayern.

[Froggy]

25 minutes ago, LFEE said:

 

 

This bloody article again. Spencer Morgan and his bottom of the barrel nonsense will be the death of me.

[Disco]

De Zerbi to OM

[Jack27]

1 minute ago, Disco said:

De Zerbi to OM

Next PIF club too (I reckon)

[TRon]

1 hour ago, GeordieDazzler said:

They were pretty poor in the league, given their relative financial advantage over everyone other than Bayern.

 

I think they didn't have natural goalscorers, I remember that being mentioned before our ties as well. They played really effectively against us, and they must have done something right to get to the CL final.

[Kanji]

2 hours ago, AJ9 said:

Would be a good fit here if Howe went to England.

 

This man absolutely dismantled us home and away. 

[Tiresias]

5 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

The Sancho situation is essentially this:

 

He was given three months off to go and get his head right and put on a specialised training program for his fitness after Ten Hag expressed concern over the way he was acting and training. He came back and when he was brought on as a sub and you could see Ten Hag essentially congratulating him and telling him to go and enjoy himself. It was all smiles, all positive body language.

 

Fast forward a few months and he's late to training again, sleeping in and staying up playing the playstation all night. His committment levels dropped as did his fitness, which was really poor after what the club had done for him. Ten Hag was asked about why he was dropped in a post match interview after a defeat against Arsenal, and told the truth that he wasn't fit enough to be in the squad. I won't argue with anyone who believes this was the wrong approach, but it was the truth and the club had protected him enough at this point. Sancho obviously took issue with being publicly called out and went straight on to social media to have a little moan and claim he's being made to be a scapegoat.

 

The worst thing of all, is that all Ten Hag has asked for is an apology, and he'd be straight back into the team. Sancho has refused. Ten Hag won't budge.

 

Ten Hag in my opinion is 100% right not to give in to player power. If Rashford hadn't apologised after the Belfast fiasco then he'd be out on loan or rotting in the reserves as well. I know I give Rashford a lot of stick as well, but three times he's dropped by Ten Hag for various reasons like being late or going out in bars when he shouldn't have. He's apologised each time, and they've moved on and he's been straight back into the team. It's a simple case of the manager demanding respect. Sancho doesn't have any respect.

 

It was the same at Dortmund as well, but he was performing to an extremely high level (that he isn't capable of at Premier League level IMO) so it wasn't as publicised. He was fined and made to train with the youth multiple times in Germany though. He's a waste of space.

 

Fair enough. I agree with all that, I do think making it a bit public maybe didn't help. I think i have got the impression from the man management from all the constant stories but thinking it over may just be the mad media around the club blowing everything out of proportion. I retract my argument

[Elephant]

1 hour ago, Kanji said:

 

This man absolutely dismantled us home and away. 

As a BVB fan I absolutely love Terzic and at the same time I’m really happy he stepped down. Dortmund lacked general idea the whole season and only turned on during UCL games. There was lot of senior players that did not like his approach (or lack of it), but he was still well-respected in the club because he is great person and long-term fan of the club. However Hummels refused to negotiate extension if Terzic had stayed. He’s been good as assistant coach and did brilliantly at the club as a manager but still lacked the depth to develop the play further. Local hero that gave the club all he can but now it’s time to get more tactical approach on the game.

 

The fact that he stepped down knowing it’s the right decision to benefit the club makes him even more hero.

 

Nuri Sahin has been praised as assistant coach and probably will be the next BVB manager.

 

 

Edited June 13 by Elephant

[GideonShandy]

Pretty wild stuff at Dortmund.  Terzic quits because of a "physical confrontation" with Mats Hummels. A few hours later, the club releases Hummels on a free.