The Managerial Merry Go Round™ - Will Still Southampton manager

[B-more Mag]

I’d hope I’d be a bit patient if I were Potter. Not like other top positions won’t be open before too long. 

[TRon]

24 minutes ago, McCormick said:

 

He'd be mad not to take it imho. Not denying his talent, but how much bigger a club could Potter realistically get? Say he says no, and Brighton fall off spectacularly this or next season. He could get sacked and then that's it, done, it's over for him in terms of getting that top top job (which Chelsea is). The job security of any PL manager is incredibly volatile, you need to cash out when your stock is high.

 

Regardless of Chelsea's proclivity towards sacking managers, he'll be paid well, have a huge budget to play with and actually have a chance to win things. More celebrated managers than Potter have "failed" there and their reputations remained largely intact. 

 

 

Agree 100%. I don't really get this idea that he'd be mad to go there. Managers of his calibre will have ambitions to be the best of the best, that's not going to happen at Brighton where he'll always be restricted by budget. Chelsea is a very natural progression for Potter, and tbh he seems like such a good manager that he should succeed.

[Stottie]

This smacks of Chelsea buying into Moneyball, especially if Chelsea bought players on metrics and not who Tuchel wanted. The thing with Moneyball and managers is that the higher a manager goes, the more it seems to be about controlling and motivating big egos and less about simple tactics.

 

Potter may be the best tactical manager in the league, I couldn't tell you, but he won't have worked with this level of ego. Howe with us keeps insisting he wants no arseholes in the dressing room. That is not going to show up in a player's passing stats or expected goals.

[The College Dropout]

27 minutes ago, McCormick said:

 

He'd be mad not to take it imho. Not denying his talent, but how much bigger a club could Potter realistically get? Say he says no, and Brighton fall off spectacularly this or next season. He could get sacked and then that's it, done, it's over for him in terms of getting that top top job (which Chelsea is). The job security of any PL manager is incredibly volatile, you need to cash out when your stock is high.

 

Regardless of Chelsea's proclivity towards sacking managers, he'll be paid well, have a huge budget to play with and actually have a chance to win things. More celebrated managers than Potter have "failed" there and their reputations remained largely intact. 

Aye.

In England what are the other options? Pep & Klopp might leave but you're not going to do better than they did. Spurs? Conte will take them as far as is possible imo and the money might not be there. Otherwise that's a solid job.

 

Chelsea is as good a job as any imo. He must take it.

[Kid Icarus]

Of course it might be a bit mad to go to a club that's pissed off, ostracised, and sacked like 8 managers in the last 10 years.  Especially when it means leaving one that you've been given the time, resources, and trust to flourish at for the last 3 years and you're sitting 4th in the table. 

 

 

Edited September 7, 2022 by Kid Icarus

[The College Dropout]

2 minutes ago, Stottie said:

This smacks of Chelsea buying into Moneyball, especially if Chelsea bought players on metrics and not who Tuchel wanted. The thing with Moneyball and managers is that the higher a manager goes, the more it seems to be about controlling and motivating big egos and less about simple tactics.

 

Potter may be the best tactical manager in the league, I couldn't tell you, but he won't have worked with this level of ego. Howe with us keeps insisting he wants no arseholes in the dressing room. That is not going to show up in a player's passing stats or expected goals.

I think the bolded depends on the club but Chelsea is one of those where the cultural fit and ego management seems a massive component. It suits the A List type manager that understand you probaby get 24-36 months - your Carlo's, Conte's and Tuchel's.

 

Funny thing is Tuchel is not the best at managing ego's but he's on the elite club merry-go-round anyway. He'll get results.

[GeordieDazzler]

Liverpool and City job available in the not too distant future. Best not to stain his reputation at Chelsea.

[Big Geordie]

Potter would be better off staying at Brigton, which he seems to be building a very decent club.

[gazzatoon]

2 minutes ago, Big Geordie said:

Potter would be better off staying at Brigton, which he seems to be building a very decent club.

Agree, I hope he stays there. Probably be the next England manager. 

[The Butcher]

Potter would be mental to turn down Chelsea to stay at Brighton imo.

[Segun Oluwaniyi]

1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Is this sacking in any way reasonable? I know they’ve had a bad start like, but they’ve just backed him with billions. Like, last week. 

Chelsea have played rubbish football for a good while now, and every single attacking player at that club has regressed or under-performed with Tuchel. The only one that has looked capable this season is Sterling, who Tuchel has not had time to ruin yet.

 

So, in a sense, it is unreasonable as a manager who won the Champions League 1.5 years ago should have earned a chance to build a team with some stability, but the reality is that no Chelsea fan will miss him. It did not seem like he had any idea of how to fix the issues they were going through this season.

[prefabtoon]

Pleased we didn't go for Fofana, £75 million He was the deepest defender but was absolutely roasted by Orsic, who headed the ball past the 21-year-old and sped away towards goal before dinking the ball over Kepa Arrizabalaga.

[The College Dropout]

Chelsea have won a dozen trophies in the last 10 years including 2 CL's, 2 FA Cups, 2 premier leagues, 2 europa leagues etc. Potter should get in on that.

 

Most elite managers - a good career is spending 2-3 years at a top club and winning trophies while the going is good. Top managers don't need to have a career like Klopp or Wenger and spend 5+ years at a single club.

[toontownman]

Can see Brighton going for Bielsa. Think that would be a good fit.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

3 minutes ago, toontownman said:

Can see Brighton going for Bielsa. Think that would be a good fit.

Big call to subject your team to that intensity. Not that I know all that much about his style. 

[Yorkie]

I wonder what the ultimate goal is for someone like Graham Potter. Is it just to manage one of the so-called Big 6 clubs because 'elite' = desirable? The England job? Getting major club honours with someone regardless of who? As lucrative a job as possible? A 'project'? To be loved by a fanbase? 

 

I don't know what the motivation is for young talented managers in football these days when the concept of success is so compartmentalised, with clubs seemingly assigned ceilings dependent on wealth or 'bigness.' 

 

I just find it depressing as fuck; you look at the fantastic job he's doing at Brighton - which seems like a great club to work for and is very much on an upward trajectory... and rather than try and do something remarkable, he'd rather bin that off to go to one of the clubs who - unlike his current club - are 'supposed to' win stuff. 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

I wonder what the ultimate goal is for someone like Graham Potter. Is it just to manage one of the so-called Big 6 clubs because 'elite' = desirable? The England job? Getting major club honours with someone regardless of who? As lucrative a job as possible? A 'project'? To be loved by a fanbase? 

 

I don't know what the motivation is for young talented managers in football these days when the concept of success is so compartmentalised, with clubs seemingly assigned ceilings dependent on wealth or 'bigness.' 

 

I just find it depressing as fuck; you look at the fantastic job he's doing at Brighton - which seems like a great club to work for and is very much on an upward trajectory... that he might bin that off to go to one of the clubs who - unlike his current club - are 'supposed to' win stuff. 

 

It's a shame but if you're going to get paid 2-3 times as much to do the same role with world class facilities and players, you go for it like. I think he'll be class there.

[Kid Icarus]

8 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

I wonder what the ultimate goal is for someone like Graham Potter. Is it just to manage one of the so-called Big 6 clubs because 'elite' = desirable? The England job? Getting major club honours with someone regardless of who? As lucrative a job as possible? A 'project'? To be loved by a fanbase? 

 

I don't know what the motivation is for young talented managers in football these days when the concept of success is so compartmentalised, with clubs seemingly assigned ceilings dependent on wealth or 'bigness.' 

 

I just find it depressing as fuck; you look at the fantastic job he's doing at Brighton - which seems like a great club to work for and is very much on an upward trajectory... and rather than try and do something remarkable, he'd rather bin that off to go to one of the clubs who - unlike his current club - are 'supposed to' win stuff. 

 

It's the fans buying into it that gets to me the most. You'd think people would want to see teams upsetting the apple cart rather than being eager for its managers to jump on it and uphold the status quo. 

 

 

Edited September 7, 2022 by Kid Icarus

[The College Dropout]

15 minutes ago, hakka said:

 

Eh? Klopp took 4 years to win something at Liverpool. Pep and Conte walked in to a side already winning the league before hand and with better squads and star players.

 

Potter is a very different type of coach comapred to what Chelsea are used to. He isn't a star man motivator with a big ego and trophy cabinet of mangerial success. Not convinced Potter can win the league or CL by end of this season simply from being backed in January. He will need next summers window and look for winning something end of 23/24.

In his first part season he got the Europa League final.

In his first full season he qualified for the CL which was the aim of that season and was massive progress.

 

Within 18 months he showed clear progress. Linear progress year-on-year for 5 years.

 

A good job for Potter this season is finishing in the top 4. Depending on how the team looks - they may give him grace for finishing 5th/6th but looking like he's building something. 

 

 

Edited September 7, 2022 by The College Dropout

[The College Dropout]

10 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

I wonder what the ultimate goal is for someone like Graham Potter. Is it just to manage one of the so-called Big 6 clubs because 'elite' = desirable? The England job? Getting major club honours with someone regardless of who? As lucrative a job as possible? A 'project'? To be loved by a fanbase? 

 

I don't know what the motivation is for young talented managers in football these days when the concept of success is so compartmentalised, with clubs seemingly assigned ceilings dependent on wealth or 'bigness.' 

 

I just find it depressing as fuck; you look at the fantastic job he's doing at Brighton - which seems like a great club to work for and is very much on an upward trajectory... and rather than try and do something remarkable, he'd rather bin that off to go to one of the clubs who - unlike his current club - are 'supposed to' win stuff. 

Realistically there is a ceiling for Brighton.

 

If he performs miracles - he might finish 4th. Then the bigger clubs will take him and/or the star players from Brighton. They go again. I mean, that's basically what happened to Leciester, Ajax, Monaco, Dortmind - every club that does a fantastic job outside of the biggest clubs - gets torn to shreds. That's the modern game. Leicester did nearly everything right for 15 years straight. Look at them now. That's the reality of the modern game.

 

It's grim.

[Conjo]

No brainer for Potter unless he has a special sentimental connection with Brighton, their players, staff and fans. I assume his personal goal is to win trophies, and that will be very difficult to achieve at Brighton when they lose their best player to the top teams every season. Chelsea has quite similar players to Brighton, only with more quality so if the players buy into the way he want them to play I think he'll do exceptionally well there.

 

 

Edited September 7, 2022 by Conjo

[The College Dropout]

5 minutes ago, hakka said:

 

Do you think Chelsea will settle for 4 years of winning nothing?

Whats's the relevance of the question?

 

If Potter does a good job it will become evident within 12-18 months. He won't need at least 2 years to prove his ability. In the modern era, good managers get results pretty quickly.

 

That's my only point.

 

 

Edited September 7, 2022 by The College Dropout

[gbandit]

I love Bielsa but has he ever shown he can make it to three seasons without burning his teams out?

[St1pe]

30 minutes ago, toontownman said:

Can see Brighton going for Bielsa. Think that would be a good fit.

Potter’s possession and build-up style play is polar opposite to Bielsa’s high intensity, high pressing, countering style. I don’t think it would be an easy transition given they’ve just really found their feet with Potter’s style over the last 12 months. 

[Guest]

Hassnhuttl probably a good fit.