Hughesy Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Surely any debate about the players that Pardew has at his disposal has to take into account the relative strengths of the other teams in the league (and at the time that each of the previous NUFC managers were in charge)? I dare say that Pardew does have our best team since Robson, but relative to the other teams in the league? Not sure about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Surely any debate about the players that Pardew has at his disposal has to take into account the relative strengths of the other teams in the league (and at the time that each of the previous NUFC managers were in charge)? I dare say that Pardew does have our best team since Robson, but relative to the other teams in the league? Not sure about that. No, we dont need context, we have stats. Yay for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Tricky to say, I think the top 6 or 7 are now well established whereas that used to be 4 or 5 teams but there is a lot of absolute shite in the bottom half. Not sure whether more than usual but it seems so. It all stacks up as an argument against comparing bland managerial statistics directly without taking into account any context or subjective factors whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Booo. Don't let him put you off your statting Dave. I appreciated the "comfortabe win" discussion you generated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Booo. Don't let him put you off your statting Dave. I appreciated the "comfortabe win" discussion you generated. Im afraid that post was only 94.44% correct with 17/18 words spelt properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Booo. Don't let him put you off your statting Dave. I appreciated the "comfortabe win" discussion you generated. Im afraid that post was only 94.44% correct with 17/18 words spelt properly. But in comparison to the previous 7 posters that record isn't so shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 The whole thing about winning comfortably came from a discussion about how enjoyable it is to watch us. The previous managers had nothing to do with it until they were introduced in an attempt to make Pardew's record look better. He's been here almost three years now, it should be possible and reasonable to judge him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 The whole thing about winning comfortably came from a discussion about how enjoyable it is to watch us. The previous managers had nothing to do with it until they were introduced in an attempt to make Pardew's record look better. He's been here almost three years now, it should be possible and reasonable to judge him. Deffo reasonable to judge him. But just saying he has won 17 out of 112 by 2 or more offers nothing to judge him by does it? It needs that comparison to have any idea if that frequency is necessarily good or bad. I never made that comparison to make him look better at all. i made the comparison out of genuine interest to see how he stacks up. Perhaps a better comparison, rather than the singular example of Newcastle's recent history, would be to see how many games across the entire league usually end with a deficit of 2 or more... http://espnfc.com/grid?league=eng.1&season=2012&view=n&cc=5739 Out of 380 games in 12/13, 112 were won by 2 or more. Which is 29%. Despite being an improvement on our previous managers, for the league on the whole, Pardew's 15% is well below average. Highlights how miserable the football we've had for the past decade has been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 We are about 70% not enjoyable to watch. I picked that stat out of my arse, so it's of equal worth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Sacked yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Ive done a proper statty comparison of how games play out for us & our rivals depending on who has scored first in a game. As it should show quite a lot about each side. Only Prem + cup games & 0-0's taken out. Results Newcastle Everton Liverpool Tottenham We score first Score first Score first Score first West Brom (H) - win Man United (A) - win Norwich (H) - win Man United (H) - draw Norwich (H) - win Stoke (H) - win Fulham (H) - win Hull (H) - draw Tottenham (A) - win Aston Villa (A) - win West Brom (H) - win Hull (H) - win Chelsea (H) - win Hull (H) - win C Palace (H) - win Aston Villa (A) - win Liverpool (H) - draw Man City (A) - lose Sunderland (A) - win Chelsea (H) - draw Cardiff (A) - win Newcastle (H) - win Man United (H) - win Aston Villa (A) - win Leeds (H) - win Fulham (A) - lose Notts county(H)- win Cardiff (A) - win Hull (H) - lose Chelsea (H) - win Aston Villa (A) - win Norwich (H) - win Aston Villa (A) - win Stoke (H) - win Swansea (H) - win Fulham (H) - win Morecombe (A) - win They score first Opposition scores first Opposition scores first Opposition scores first Swansea (A) - lose Liverpool (A) - Draw Hull (A) - lose Fulham (A) - win Man City (A) - lose West Ham (A) - win Arsenal (A) - lose Man City (A) - lose Sunderland (H) - lose Stevenage (H) - win Newastle (A) - draw Newcastle (H) - lose Everton (A) - lose Norwich (A) - Draw Man United (A) - lose West Ham (H) - lose Man City (A) - lose Southampton (A) - lose Arsenal (A) - lose Swansea - draw Results Newcastle - We've taken the lead the most of the 4 sides & we're holding onto our leads mostly atm, as stressful as it seems to be we're pretty consistant. Hull game showed the weakness of our holding on style. We're the worst at getting anything when we go behind. Everton - Main issue for them is they've had four 0-0's. They've only lost to Man City in the league once taking the lead (Fulham game was a cup match) & their mentality to fight to win a game from behind is the best of all four by far. Liverpool - Best of the 4 at winning once in the lead clearly. Their main issue is going behind again, though thats better than us also. Tottenham - Similar to us once in the lead, they dont make the easiest work of it. They've gone a point infront due to their first win coming from behind yesterday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 That Hull game i just can't let it go. Anyway good work Jayson our record from behind is just but expected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 We weren't really using a 'holding on style' against Hull at all. We were on top and we just switched off for their goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 We weren't really using a 'holding on style' against Hull at all. We were on top and we just switched off for their goals. It was the goal they scored straight after half time from the freekick, like you said we just completley switched off for it and let them back in the game at a crucial point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Pards on Hull game: "We started really, really well but then we dropped down a gear after our goal and that caused us problems for the rest of the game. Third gear is not enough in this league against any side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Which gear we were in during the entire second half against Norwich? Reverse, most likely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 He needs a proper plan for when we go two ahead, he's never going to go for it but there's no reason why we can't properly pick teams off. We always sit far too deep and let the opposition have the ball wherever, rather than letting them have the ball where we should want it. Even if he just had some pressing instructions (depending on the team), that would see an improvement. Right now, it's very much contain and wing it, but, with the players we've got, we could be a ruthless team, quickly squeezing sides in the right areas and catching them out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 He needs to quit football! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 6th gear, straight off a cliff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 He needs a proper plan for when we go two ahead, he's never going to go for it but there's no reason why we can't properly pick teams off. We always sit far too deep and let the opposition have the ball wherever, rather than letting them have the ball where we should want it. Even if he just had some pressing instructions (depending on the team), that would see an improvement. Right now, it's very much contain and wing it, but, with the players we've got, we could be a ruthless team, quickly squeezing sides in the right areas and catching them out. I think most of the haters have said that almost from day 1, it's not going to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 He needs a proper plan for when we go two ahead, he's never going to go for it but there's no reason why we can't properly pick teams off. We always sit far too deep and let the opposition have the ball wherever, rather than letting them have the ball where we should want it. Even if he just had some pressing instructions (depending on the team), that would see an improvement. Right now, it's very much contain and wing it, but, with the players we've got, we could be a ruthless team, quickly squeezing sides in the right areas and catching them out. I think most of the haters have said that almost from day 1, it's not going to happen. There have been brief signs of it in his tenure, it's more likely to evolve into the above rather than properly going for it. But, you're right, unless it becomes highlighted in the media, it most likely won't ever change while he's around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Which gear we were in during the entire second half against Norwich? Reverse, most likely. Neutral Both excellent punchlines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Manager of the month. Well done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Manager of the month. Well done. bet he cant hang on to it for December. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Fully deserved. He's still shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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