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Surely any debate about the players that Pardew has at his disposal has to take into account the relative strengths of the other teams in the league (and at the time that each of the previous NUFC managers were in charge)?  I dare say that Pardew does have our best team since Robson, but relative to the other teams in the league?  Not sure about that.

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Surely any debate about the players that Pardew has at his disposal has to take into account the relative strengths of the other teams in the league (and at the time that each of the previous NUFC managers were in charge)?  I dare say that Pardew does have our best team since Robson, but relative to the other teams in the league?  Not sure about that.

 

No, we dont need context, we have stats. Yay for us.

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Tricky to say, I think the top 6 or 7 are now well established whereas that used to be 4 or 5 teams but there is a lot of absolute shite in the bottom half.  Not sure whether more than usual but it seems so.  It all stacks up as an argument against comparing bland managerial statistics directly without taking into account any context or subjective factors whatsoever.

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Booo. 

 

Don't let him put you off your statting Dave.  I appreciated the "comfortabe win" discussion you generated.

 

Im afraid that post was only 94.44% correct with 17/18 words spelt properly.

 

But in comparison to the previous 7 posters that record isn't so shit.

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The whole thing about winning comfortably came from a discussion about how enjoyable it is to watch us. The previous managers had nothing to do with it until they were introduced in an attempt to make Pardew's record look better.

 

He's been here almost three years now, it should be possible and reasonable to judge him.

 

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The whole thing about winning comfortably came from a discussion about how enjoyable it is to watch us. The previous managers had nothing to do with it until they were introduced in an attempt to make Pardew's record look better.

 

He's been here almost three years now, it should be possible and reasonable to judge him.

 

Deffo reasonable to judge him.  But just saying he has won 17 out of 112 by 2 or more offers nothing to judge him by does it?

 

It needs that comparison to have any idea if that frequency is necessarily good or bad.

 

I never made that comparison to make him look better at all.  i made the comparison out of genuine interest to see how he stacks up.

 

Perhaps a better comparison, rather than the singular example of Newcastle's recent history, would be to see how many games across the entire league usually end with a deficit of 2 or more...

 

http://espnfc.com/grid?league=eng.1&season=2012&view=n&cc=5739

 

Out of 380 games in 12/13, 112 were won by 2 or more. Which is 29%.  Despite being an improvement on our previous managers, for the league on the whole, Pardew's 15% is well below average.

 

Highlights how miserable the football we've had for the past decade has been.

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Ive done a proper statty comparison of how games play out for us & our rivals depending on who has scored first in a game. As it should show quite a lot about each side. Only Prem + cup games & 0-0's taken out.

 

Results

 

Newcastle                                Everton                              Liverpool                                Tottenham

We score first                         Score first                          Score first                                Score first

 

West Brom (H) - win              Man United (A) - win          Norwich (H)    - win              Man United (H) - draw

Norwich (H)      - win              Stoke (H)        - win          Fulham (H)      - win              Hull (H)            - draw

Tottenham (A)  - win              Aston Villa (A) - win            West Brom (H) - win            Hull (H)            - win

Chelsea (H)      - win              Hull (H)          - win          C Palace (H)      - win              Aston Villa (A)  - win

Liverpool (H)    - draw            Man City (A)    - lose          Sunderland (A) - win              Chelsea (H)      - draw

Cardiff (A)        - win              Newcastle (H)  - win          Man United (H) - win              Aston Villa (A)    - win

Leeds (H)          - win              Fulham (A)      - lose          Notts county(H)- win            Cardiff (A)          - win

Hull (H)              - lose            Chelsea (H)    - win          Aston Villa (A)  - win            Norwich (H)        - win

Aston Villa (A)    - win                                                        Stoke (H)          - win            Swansea (H)      - win

Fulham (H)        - win                                                                                                   

Morecombe (A)  - win

 

They score first                   Opposition scores first        Opposition scores first        Opposition scores first

 

Swansea (A)      - lose          Liverpool (A) - Draw          Hull (A)              - lose            Fulham (A)      - win

Man City (A)        - lose            West Ham (A) - win          Arsenal (A)        - lose            Man City (A)    - lose

Sunderland (H)    - lose          Stevenage (H) - win          Newastle (A)    - draw            Newcastle (H) - lose

Everton (A)          - lose          Norwich (A)  - Draw        Man United (A)    - lose            West Ham (H) - lose

Man City (A)        - lose                                                    Southampton (A) - lose            Arsenal (A)      - lose

                                                                                        Swansea            - draw

 

Results

Newcastle - We've taken the lead the most of the 4 sides & we're holding onto our leads mostly atm, as stressful as it seems to be we're pretty consistant. Hull game showed the weakness of our holding on style. We're the worst at getting anything when we go behind.

 

Everton - Main issue for them is they've had four 0-0's. They've only lost to Man City in the league once taking the lead (Fulham game was a cup match) & their mentality to fight to win a game from behind is the best of all four by far.

 

Liverpool - Best of the 4 at winning once in the lead clearly. Their main issue is going behind again, though thats better than us also.

 

Tottenham - Similar to us once in the lead, they dont make the easiest work of it. They've gone a point infront due to their first win coming from behind yesterday.

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We weren't really using a 'holding on style' against Hull at all. We were on top and we just switched off for their goals.

 

It was the goal they scored straight after half time from the freekick, like you said we just completley switched off for it and let them back in the game at a crucial point.

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Pards on Hull game: "We started really, really well but then we dropped down a gear after our goal and that caused us problems for the rest of the game. Third gear is not enough in this league against any side.

 

 

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He needs a proper plan for when we go two ahead, he's never going to go for it but there's no reason why we can't properly pick teams off. We always sit far too deep and let the opposition have the ball wherever, rather than letting them have the ball where we should want it. Even if he just had some pressing instructions (depending on the team), that would see an improvement. Right now, it's very much contain and wing it, but, with the players we've got, we could be a ruthless team, quickly squeezing sides in the right areas and catching them out.

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He needs a proper plan for when we go two ahead, he's never going to go for it but there's no reason why we can't properly pick teams off. We always sit far too deep and let the opposition have the ball wherever, rather than letting them have the ball where we should want it. Even if he just had some pressing instructions (depending on the team), that would see an improvement. Right now, it's very much contain and wing it, but, with the players we've got, we could be a ruthless team, quickly squeezing sides in the right areas and catching them out.

 

I think most of the haters have said that almost from day 1, it's not going to happen.

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He needs a proper plan for when we go two ahead, he's never going to go for it but there's no reason why we can't properly pick teams off. We always sit far too deep and let the opposition have the ball wherever, rather than letting them have the ball where we should want it. Even if he just had some pressing instructions (depending on the team), that would see an improvement. Right now, it's very much contain and wing it, but, with the players we've got, we could be a ruthless team, quickly squeezing sides in the right areas and catching them out.

 

I think most of the haters have said that almost from day 1, it's not going to happen.

 

There have been brief signs of it in his tenure, it's more likely to evolve into the above rather than properly going for it. But, you're right, unless it becomes highlighted in the media, it most likely won't ever change while he's around.

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