Ikon Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Can't believe that Pardew goes into his fourth year with us, with me still alive! Fuck me, i must be Superman or something without knowing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I would agree with you, but there wasn't the usual relying on the opposition missing chances that we had against Chelsea and Spurs. In the second half they kept trying that diagonal ball into the striker, but they were always either offside (even if it wasn't called) or it was cut out. We definitely played shit in that period though, but on big chances I was pissed off that we didn't win. Fair enough, they hit the post, but Remy missed a clear cut chance that he should have buried and then somehow managed to miss an open goal by about 3 yards. I still find that ridiculous that he did that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Did they not have another very good chance where the guy fluffed it in the second half or was he offside? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Debuchy tackled him if it's the same chance that we're thinking about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Pardew can't legislate for Remy not burying the chance but Southampton can't for the keeper making a complete fuck up of his clearance. Can't claim it was unlucky when getting the chance in the first place was sheer fluke. We created very little on the day, even our goal was a complete howler by the defender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Remy chasing down a ball to panic the 'keeper into a rushed clearance isn't a fluke. A sheer fluke would have been Remy standing still and the 'keeper hitting it right at him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Pardew can't legislate for Remy not burying the chance but Southampton can't for the keeper making a complete f*** up of his clearance. Can't claim it was unlucky when getting the chance in the first place was sheer fluke. We created very little on the day, even our goal was a complete howler by the defender. I've never said any of those things aren't true tbf, I'm just pissed off that we didn't win because they did happen. I don't think we were unlucky because Remy missed, I simply think that the miss was inexcusable. I don't think that we were lucky not to concede/lose though, which puts it a notch above Spurs/Norwich/Chelsea. There are plenty of examples of Pardew being absolutely shit and negative, I just don't necessarily think that this is as big an example as the numerous others you could pick. I think we were worthy of the win in this one, regardless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Concede first and know you have next to no chance of turning it round, or score first and spend the rest of the game trying to play out the marginal victory. That is every single game summed up under Pardew, bar the odd anomaly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Not a foolproof way to create chances really though is it, closing down the goalkeeper? We certainly weren't unlucky not to win the game, which is what seems to be being claimed. We invited them on, they scored then we tried to score again, as is always our gameplan. Why we can't try and score another before they've levelled remains the eternal mystery. We did the same against West Brom and were grateful to Sissoko for lashing one in from range. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Going 2-0 up is unlikely. 3-0 is the impossible dream Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Not a foolproof way to create chances really though is it, closing down the goalkeeper? We certainly weren't unlucky not to win the game, which is what seems to be being claimed. We invited them on, they scored then we tried to score again, as is always our gameplan. Why we can't try and score another before they've levelled remains the eternal mystery. We did the same against West Brom and were grateful to Sissoko for lashing one in from range. I get your point Wullie and I agree with it, even in this match. I don't think we were unlucky not to win at all. There's nothing unlucky about Remy missing an open goal, it's unprofessional. I'm saying that I think we did just about enough to win and that, that even 'doing enough' as a debate aside, we still should have won with the glaringly clear chances that we had. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Remy chasing down a ball to panic the 'keeper into a rushed clearance isn't a fluke. A sheer fluke would have been Remy standing still and the 'keeper hitting it right at him. Happens every game, the goalkeeper usually never makes that mistake. So yes I'd call it a fluke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Going 2-0 up is unlikely. 3-0 is the impossible dream Feels like the players will get fined if they go for a third after scoring two. Can't wait for the day we do score three again, although I can see it being something lame like that Wigan game where we limped along against 10 men for most of the game, rather than win in style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Going 2-0 up is unlikely. 3-0 is the impossible dream http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/13444173 The one time we did it we f***ed it up. Err, Stoke? The point still stands like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Aye Stoke was the one strutting, comfortable 3-0 win I can remember. Lovely day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Remy chasing down a ball to panic the 'keeper into a rushed clearance isn't a fluke. A sheer fluke would have been Remy standing still and the 'keeper hitting it right at him. Happens every game, the goalkeeper usually never makes that mistake. So yes I'd call it a fluke. It's not a fluke. There's an element of fortune to it, of course, but when you're closing down opposition so they a) make a rubbish back pass, and b) rush their consequent clearance, you're very much in the realms of making your own luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Not a foolproof way to create chances really though is it, closing down the goalkeeper? We certainly weren't unlucky not to win the game, which is what seems to be being claimed. We invited them on, they scored then we tried to score again, as is always our gameplan. Why we can't try and score another before they've levelled remains the eternal mystery. We did the same against West Brom and were grateful to Sissoko for lashing one in from range. It really is a mystery as to what goes on. I don't know if he actively encourages sitting back or if he just doesn't give players enough direction which makes them withdraw, it really is strange. I think I read a stat the other day that said we were one of two teams that haven't scored more than 2 in a game this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Remy chasing down a ball to panic the 'keeper into a rushed clearance isn't a fluke. A sheer fluke would have been Remy standing still and the 'keeper hitting it right at him. Happens every game, the goalkeeper usually never makes that mistake. So yes I'd call it a fluke. It's not a fluke. There's an element of fortune to it, of course, but when you're closing down opposition so they a) make a rubbish back pass, and b) rush their consequent clearance, you're very much in the realms of making your own luck. Depends what defines fluke, I'd say something that wouldn't happen 99 times out of 100 is a fluke. But yes, I get your point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 How many Premier League managerial changes is that now since he was appointed? According to NUFC.com: Zero tolerance The latest name to be eliminated from the Premier League X Factor competition is Andre Villas-Boas, following his live TV rendition of "We Can't Stop" on Sunday. The latest top-flight managerial casualty leaves the current top 20 runners and riders looking like this: Arsenal - Arsene Wenger (Sep 1996) Aston Villa - Paul Lambert (Jun 2012) Cardiff - Malky Mackay (Jun 2011) Chelsea - Jose Mourinho (Jun 2013) Crystal Palace - Tony Pulis (Nov 2013) Everton - Roberto Martinez (Jun 2013) Fulham - Rene Muelensteen (Dec 2013) Hull City - Steve Bruce (Jun 2012) Liverpool - Brendan Rodgers (Jun 2012) Manchester City - Manuel Pellegrini (Jun 2013) Manchester United - David Moyes (May 2013) Newcastle United - Alan Pardew (Dec 2010) Norwich City - Chris Hughton (Jun 2012) Southampton - Mauricio Pochettino (Jan 2013) Stoke City - Mark Hughes (May 2013) mackems - Gus Poyet (Oct 2013) Swansea City - Michael Laudrup (Jun 2012) Tottenham - position vacant West Brom - position vacant West Ham - Sam Allardyce (Jun 2011) Who's next for the chop? Vote now! (probably) Longest serving manager in the Premiership except Wenger, if I'm reading that right... A number of those will have had multiple managers as well. Sunderland alone have sacked Bruce, O'Neill & Di Canio in that time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 16 of the 20 teams in our league will have appointed their manager in 2012 or later Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Allardyce (Blackburn) Hodgson (Liverpool) Di Matteo (WBA) Grant (West Ham) Ancelotti (Chelsea) Houllier (Aston Villa) Hughes (Fulham) Bruce (Sunderland) Warnock (QPR) McCarthy (Wolves) Villas-Boas (Chelsea) Hodgson (WBA) McLeish (Aston Villa) Dalglish (Liverpool) Rodgers (Swansea) Lambert (Norwich) Redknapp (Spurs) Di Matteo (Chelsea) Hughes (QPR) Adkins (Southampton) McDermott (Reading) O'Neill (Sunderland) Mancini (Man City) Moyes (Everton) Pulis (Stoke) Benitez (Chelsea) Ferguson (Man Utd) Di Canio (Sunderland) Holloway (Crystal Palace) Jol (Fulham) Clarke (WBA) Villas-Boas (Spurs) Obviously not all sacked. Some left for other clubs/jobs, retirements, etc....but 32 changes since we appointed him. Christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Getting more like Italy or Spain in that respect it seems. Clubs pull the trigger the first sign things are going South. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Getting more like Italy or Spain in that respect it seems. Clubs pull the trigger the first sign things are going South. Except us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Getting more like Italy or Spain in that respect it seems. Clubs pull the trigger the first sign things are going South. Except us Aye, we're a law unto ourselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Getting more like Italy or Spain in that respect it seems. Clubs pull the trigger the first sign things are going South. Except us He's not doing too bad though tbf, Southampton, Man Utd, Swansea, Spurs etc.. have all had more backing and managers who are apparently better but are currently behind us. Pardew annoys me a hell of a lot with some of the stuff he does, I have been pushed to the limit a few times over the last year or so but it could be worse. To me it is obvious the 'heir to the throne' is Kinnear so that in itself stops me desperately wanting Pardew gone at the moment but as said he isn't exactly doing the worst job even if our football can be frustrating as fuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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