DJ_NUFC Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I don't understand the militant element of the anti-Pardew support that will willfully distort an event just to avoid giving the man any credit. This season he's done little wrong yet I've seen posters on here slag him off for being overly defensive at White Hart Lane, suggest that winning at Old Trafford ain't no ting, complain about the 5-1 against Stoke and more. He's not a particularly likeable bloke, he's an Ashley shill, he's a gobshite and I get that but this attitude of laying the blame for anything at Pardew's door while giving him pelters for every little thing is pathetic and makes it hard to take anything said about him seriously. Perspective lads. Get some. There extremists and trolls at either end of the spectrum. I think Pardew has rightfully been praised on here when he has deserved it. It is always going to be harder to see the positives, as the positives are what he is paid to do. Positives aren't always success as much as meeting expectations. With the talent he has at his disposal he should be meeting those expectations and surpassing them. The manure game was one example of that and he was rightfully praised. Meeting expectations would be: - getting positive results against lower opposition and being competitive against higher - setting a team up to play effective football. - Instilling belief and positivity and getting the best out of players. - improving the clubs standing Pardew has exceeded expectations a few times this season against Chelsea, spurs, manure and possibly Liverpool. However with his constant boasts about our first eleven being able to match any team he doesn't help his cause. We also consistently struggle against lower opposition home and away, which takes any gloss off our hard earned results. Not to mention his gutless approach and results in derby games. In this category for me he fails. Effective football doesn't have to be attractive and god knows we can rarely claim to play attractive football under Pardew. As I mentioned earlier I haven't seen us play consistent fluid attacking football under Pardew, we had started to get that under Hughton...but maybe it wouldn't have come with consistent effective results had he stayed. On paper he probably meets expectations during his tenure. His first season he met expectations, absolutely exceeded in his second year then absolutely failed last season. This season is certainly make or break for him and he looks to be meeting a top ten or top eight (in his words) target. What stats do is support Pardew but ignore the fact we played some truly awful football, had Lady Luck firmly onside and some rarely in form strikers. It can be argued either way but facts don't lie. As for Instilling belief in players Pardew and our coaching team fall woefully short. We rarely come out looking to win, we rarely look fluid in attack or hungry enough to get into the right positions. Players heads go down very easily and we look sacred much of the time. Does he get the best out of players? We have seen krul, gouffran and colocinni solid, although the latter certainly was before. Williamson has been solid at times. The rest are inconsistent like the team. Cabaye and Titote have peaked and dipped. More worryingly are the players that have come in and looked great then wained, which is sometimes natural, Pardew doesn't show he knows how to get the. Back though.. Both Titote and Cabaye clearly just worked it out themselves as a season long poor form yet consistent starting places made no difference. What of Cisse, Ben Arfa, Sissoko, marveaux his refusal to play Anita and in the past Ben Arfa and marveaux when they were clearly better than those on the pitch. Also his high praise of youngsters only for their appearances to be reduced to reserve team football. I would say there are very few in our team laying to their potential. The biggest problem is where our expectation as fans differs from the above. Things like cup runs, derby victories and playing with attacking intent and style are clearly not club priorities. That doesn't mean they should be ignored either. A couple of things I think we have improved upon this season is our defending and possession football in the middle of the park, our short passing has improved from sloppy to tighter too. We still lack so much coming forward due to Pardews insistent negativity. The most measured, insightful and rational response one could've given to those questions and accusations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Pardew; Reckons we were 'in control for 70 mins'. 'Wonder goal out of nothing for the winner and then a set play' 'Questioning the referee in the run up to the equaliser' 'Disappointed with the players - players were up for it. We played well and contained them first half' 'Effort and commitment was there' 'At home - you cannot back off against quality sides - you cannot be negative' (he seriously said that!) Genuine trolling attempt to end there? Got so sick of him saying that s***, it was a second string Cardiff ffs. Hows about attacking them and standing on their neck and battering the life out of them..........god i hate him. Wow are those quotes real? Seriously couldn't be more wrong about virtually every point he has made there. Unbelievably deluded. What pisses me off the most is how the press could care less and never call Pardew on his bullshit. They are real yes, just read them in the chronicle. He's like Fat Sam in the fact the media love him. They fail to see what shit football his teams play at times. And that shit of his about Front foot football, that's the one thing we don't resemble in any way at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Love this 'front foot' stuff In cricket he'd be the wanker test opener who gets 20 runs defending all and sundry while his teammates reach double-hundreds, but keeps getting picked because he provides 'stability' up the order. Everyone hates that guy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Love this 'front foot' stuff In cricket he'd be the wanker test opener who gets 20 runs defending all and sundry while his teammates reach double-hundreds, but keeps getting picked because he provides 'stability' up the order. Everyone hates that guy. That's the first 5 England batsmen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 It's his mentality which pisses me off. The quote before the Arsenal game was shocking. He can get results by doing his "score early and sitback" approach but it can also bite him on the arse equally. Surely he can see the benefit of going for the kill? I know Stoke was 9-men but when he took off Anita for Shola, it was at least a sign and a change from his usual, he actually went for it. We probably would finish a similar position whether we take either approach, but the fans would be a helluva lot happier with a bit of entertainment. I just don't understand why he doesn't stick with it because he's shown, albeit far too infrequently, that he's capable of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Anybody who still supports Pardew deserves days like today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Love this 'front foot' stuff In cricket he'd be the wanker test opener who gets 20 runs defending all and sundry while his teammates reach double-hundreds, but keeps getting picked because he provides 'stability' up the order. Everyone hates that guy. That's the first 5 England batsmen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 It was a bit like watching England today to be fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Any waving today? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Some 'Alan Pardew's Black and White Army' from The Gallowgate/East Stand corner. And the usual feckin smoke bomb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Who hacked into www.nufc.co.uk's account? https://twitter.com/FootballAgent31/status/419551748974727169/photo/1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Anybody who still supports Pardew deserves days like today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Who hacked into www.nufc.co.uk's account? https://twitter.com/FootballAgent31/status/419551748974727169/photo/1 As if he's got nearly 5k followers, look at the clip of his tweets Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chizzletooth Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Anybody who still supports Pardew deserves days like today. Why even post that? Make yourself feel better? Take the sting out of a defeat does it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I don't understand the militant element of the anti-Pardew support that will willfully distort an event just to avoid giving the man any credit. This season he's done little wrong yet I've seen posters on here slag him off for being overly defensive at White Hart Lane, suggest that winning at Old Trafford ain't no ting, complain about the 5-1 against Stoke and more. He's not a particularly likeable bloke, he's an Ashley shill, he's a gobshite and I get that but this attitude of laying the blame for anything at Pardew's door while giving him pelters for every little thing is pathetic and makes it hard to take anything said about him seriously. Perspective lads. Get some. Can you defend his record in the FA Cup? That's what I'm pissed off about right now, nothing to do with the league. No, that's a major black mark against his name however I don't know how much those above him are influencing things. I'm sure he wants trophies if only for Brand Pardew because managers aren't judged on eighth place finishes, they're judged on trophies won. I doubt Mike Ashley was phoning down to the bench telling him to send on Obertan. Probably not, however I'm sure he'll have been reminded by his paymasters that the cup is not a priority. Is that your idea of "perspective"? Ashley might be a skinflint but he has provided this dunderhead of a manager with a squad better than 90% of the English league to make a fist of it in the cups, even if he wants to rest some players. Pardew could have played a 2nd 11 that would be worth 3 times Cardiff's team that was out there today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Why even post that? Make yourself feel better? Take the sting out of a defeat does it? It's true, that's why I posted it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 To those saying the players need to take their share of the blame for the result and performance, as is the case in the league this is of course true. However when people say that the players need to share the blame for certain hallmarks of Pardew's regime so far such as negative football, shitting ourselves and holding on to leads for dear life, lack of movement off the ball and also this repeated surrender in the early stages of the cups, it doesn't seem to take into account the change in personnel over the last 3 years. Pardew's a really unlucky chap if he keeps getting given these negative, rout-averse, non-moving cup bottlers as players. Our lineups in the last 4 years of this competition, all against lesser opposition: Stevenage (a) 2011 - lost 2-1 Krul Simpson Perch Coloccini Williamson Barton Smith Nolan Best Routledge Lovenkrands Subs: Ranger Tiote Airey Brighton (a) 2012 - lost 1-0 Krul Simpson Williamson Perch Santon Ben Arfa Guthrie Cabaye Best Shola Ameobi Gutierrez Subs: Ryan Taylor Gosling Ferguson Brighton (a) 2013 - lost 2-0 Elliot Tavernier Perch Williamson Santon Anita Abeid Bigirimana Obertan Shola Ameobi Sammy Ameobi Subs: Dummett Ranger Marveaux Cardiff (h) 2014 - lost 2-1 Elliot Santon Haidara Steven Taylor Yanga-Mbiwa Tiote Sissoko Anita Ben Arfa Gouffran Cisse Subs: Remy Shola Ameobi Obertan By my reckoning that's 40 separate players who haven't been able to get us past the 3rd/4th round against opposition we should be beating under Pardew's leadership, and again we're hearing that another one of these Pardew trends is considerably influenced by the players or in the manager's words after today's game "The cup seems to elude us, in terms of getting a win". It's not the same set of players but it is the same manager, so this is another trend that you have to lay mostly at the manager's door IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 To those saying the players need to take their share of the blame for the result and performance, as is the case in the league this is of course true. However when people say that the players need to share the blame for certain hallmarks of Pardew's regime so far such as negative football, shitting ourselves and holding on to leads for dear life, lack of movement off the ball and also this repeated surrender in the early stages of the cups, it doesn't seem to take into account the change in personnel over the last 3 years. Pardew's a really unlucky chap if he keeps getting given these negative, rout-averse, non-moving cup bottlers as players. Our lineups in the last 4 years of this competition, all against lesser opposition: Stevenage (a) 2011 - lost 2-1 Krul Simpson Perch Coloccini Williamson Barton Smith Nolan Best Routledge Lovenkrands Subs: Ranger Tiote Airey Brighton (a) 2012 - lost 1-0 Krul Simpson Williamson Perch Santon Ben Arfa Guthrie Cabaye Best Shola Ameobi Gutierrez Subs: Ryan Taylor Gosling Ferguson Brighton (a) 2013 - lost 2-0 Elliot Tavernier Perch Williamson Santon Anita Abeid Bigirimana Obertan Shola Ameobi Sammy Ameobi Subs: Dummett Ranger Marveaux Cardiff (h) 2014 - lost 2-1 Elliot Santon Haidara Steven Taylor Yanga-Mbiwa Tiote Sissoko Anita Ben Arfa Gouffran Cisse Subs: Remy Shola Ameobi Obertan By my reckoning that's 40 separate players who haven't been able to get us past the 3rd/4th round against opposition we should be beating under Pardew's leadership, and again we're hearing that another one of these Pardew trends is considerably influenced by the players or in the manager's words after today's game "The cup seems to elude us, in terms of getting a win". It's not the same set of players but it is the same manager, so this is another trend that you have to lay mostly at the manager's door IMO. Obvious to those who don't wear Pardew coloured shades of course Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMcQuillan Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 To those saying the players need to take their share of the blame for the result and performance, as is the case in the league this is of course true. However when people say that the players need to share the blame for certain hallmarks of Pardew's regime so far such as negative football, shitting ourselves and holding on to leads for dear life, lack of movement off the ball and also this repeated surrender in the early stages of the cups, it doesn't seem to take into account the change in personnel over the last 3 years. Pardew's a really unlucky chap if he keeps getting given these negative, rout-averse, non-moving cup bottlers as players. Our lineups in the last 4 years of this competition, all against lesser opposition: Stevenage (a) 2011 - lost 2-1 Krul Simpson Perch Coloccini Williamson Barton Smith Nolan Best Routledge Lovenkrands Subs: Ranger Tiote Airey Brighton (a) 2012 - lost 1-0 Krul Simpson Williamson Perch Santon Ben Arfa Guthrie Cabaye Best Shola Ameobi Gutierrez Subs: Ryan Taylor Gosling Ferguson Brighton (a) 2013 - lost 2-0 Elliot Tavernier Perch Williamson Santon Anita Abeid Bigirimana Obertan Shola Ameobi Sammy Ameobi Subs: Dummett Ranger Marveaux Cardiff (h) 2014 - lost 2-1 Elliot Santon Haidara Steven Taylor Yanga-Mbiwa Tiote Sissoko Anita Ben Arfa Gouffran Cisse Subs: Remy Shola Ameobi Obertan By my reckoning that's 40 separate players who haven't been able to get us past the 3rd/4th round against opposition we should be beating under Pardew's leadership, and again we're hearing that another one of these Pardew trends is considerably influenced by the players or in the manager's words after today's game "The cup seems to elude us, in terms of getting a win". It's not the same set of players but it is the same manager, so this is another trend that you have to lay mostly at the manager's door IMO. Precisely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Did he really say Science was against him?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Did he really say Science was against him?? http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alan-pardew-admits-newcastle-united-6468956 Pardew suffered his third exit in the third round stage of his tenure. And Pardew reflected: “I am disappointed with my group. “We’ve managed to lose a game that we were in control of. “We don’t seem to be able to get through this tie (third round day) “For the last three years I don’t know, it’s science against me. “As a group we were up for the game. “The first half was difficult because there wasn’t 50,000 in here to assess, I thought we played quite well. “We contained them and controlled the game. “The start of the second half was terrific and we looked OK. “But the last 20 minutes we didn’t play well and it lost us the game.” Pick the bones out of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 wtf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 “For the last three years I don’t know, it’s science against me. “As a group we were up for the game. “The first half was difficult because there wasn’t 50,000 in here to assess, I thought we played quite well. :lol: Blames 'science' then blames a low crowd for the first half? Is the excuses thread still about?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Ramblings of a moron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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