Alan '48 points' Pardew

[mrmojorisin75]

I don't know what people expect from Pardew? Ignoring his off the pitch antics,  he hasn't actually done that bad a job really

 

11/12: 5th place out of nowhere

12/13: Europa League QFs with a thin squad picking up countless injuries

13/14: Top 10 finish last season while having his best player Cabaye sold and not replaced

 

But that doesn't go down well because the reality of NUFC not having the resources to compete is so depressing.

 

If you want to blame someone, blame Ashley for not freeing up more funds. Blame Kinnear for being useless. Blame the marketing team for not being able to secure more lucrative sponsorships to compete with the big boys.

Pardew, while not perfect, has done what is expected of him in my eyes

 

Okay, let's make things interesting.

 

What would constitute Pardew failing in your eyes? Not in Ashley's eyes, in your's.

 

Being amongst those in contention for the drop. The situation 2 years ago was forgivable because of a paper thin squad riddled with injuries and a lengthy European run but wouldn't be now. With the likes of Villa, West Brom, Sunderland, Burnley and Palace not pulling up any trees in the transfer market, it would be significant underachievement to be near the bottom.

 

the bit i've bolded is what's got me about pardew ever since he pitched up at the club - nothing is ever anything to do with him when it goes badly and this is the prime example of that; go on one of the worst runs in the clubs entire top flight history because one player is sold?  get to fuck man...it's his job not to make that happen ffs...he was totally and utterly responsible for what happened after cabaye was sold just as he was largely responsible for us almost getting relegated the season before with his fucking awful team selections and cowardly tactics

 

said it months ago and i stand by it, he's the worst manager i've seen at the club bar none

 

 

[Guest]

Everton don't even look to spend reasonably. Everton have spent nothing more than the giant truck full of cash that Sky parked outside their ground, after years of penny pinching. That's perfectly reasonable.

 

It's true that Ashley won't even spend that. What's also true however is that Martinez has shown he can get excellent performances and results with a squad that was cheaply assembled and wasn't even his, so your point is worth little. Ashley's main problem with cost is the bizarre refusal to pay a real manager.

 

How much was Atletico's squad btw?

 

Can't stand this new breed of football fan that believes all the results are somehow pre-determined by the wage bill of each club. Awful defeatism before even getting on the field.

Their net spend over the last 3 years is about £2m. They've barely touched the Sky money. Looking on that transfer league website actually, out 'net spend' is pretty much the same as Everton since promotion.

[Guest]

This is one of the first times since we've came back up actually (apart from maybe after we finished 5th) where the media aren't expecting us to struggle. Most of the Pre Season prediction articles have us 8th, 9th worst, so can imagine he will come under pressure if we don't start well.

[AlanSkÃrare]

I don't know what people expect from Pardew? Ignoring his off the pitch antics,  he hasn't actually done that bad a job really

 

11/12: 5th place out of nowhere

12/13: Europa League QFs with a thin squad picking up countless injuries

13/14: Top 10 finish last season while having his best player Cabaye sold and not replaced

 

But that doesn't go down well because the reality of NUFC not having the resources to compete is so depressing.

 

If you want to blame someone, blame Ashley for not freeing up more funds. Blame Kinnear for being useless. Blame the marketing team for not being able to secure more lucrative sponsorships to compete with the big boys.

Pardew, while not perfect, has done what is expected of him in my eyes

 

Okay, let's make things interesting.

 

What would constitute Pardew failing in your eyes? Not in Ashley's eyes, in your's.

 

Being amongst those in contention for the drop. The situation 2 years ago was forgivable because of a paper thin squad riddled with injuries and a lengthy European run but wouldn't be now. With the likes of Villa, West Brom, Sunderland, Burnley and Palace not pulling up any trees in the transfer market, it would be significant underachievement to be near the bottom.

 

Paper thin? We signed five players in January, all of very good calibre. Europe? We played as many games as many other teams as we crashed out of both domestic cups almost immediately.

 

We hit more long-balls than any other team in Europe's top 5 leagues. Cissé and Shola were played on the wing. We won away from home twice. We conceded more goals in the Premier League than we've ever done before. We lost more Premier League games than when we went down.

 

It wasn't forgivable.

[Wullie]

I don't know what people expect from Pardew? Ignoring his off the pitch antics,  he hasn't actually done that bad a job really

 

11/12: 5th place out of nowhere

12/13: Europa League QFs with a thin squad picking up countless injuries

13/14: Top 10 finish last season while having his best player Cabaye sold and not replaced

 

But that doesn't go down well because the reality of NUFC not having the resources to compete is so depressing.

 

If you want to blame someone, blame Ashley for not freeing up more funds. Blame Kinnear for being useless. Blame the marketing team for not being able to secure more lucrative sponsorships to compete with the big boys.

Pardew, while not perfect, has done what is expected of him in my eyes

 

Okay, let's make things interesting.

 

What would constitute Pardew failing in your eyes? Not in Ashley's eyes, in your's.

 

Being amongst those in contention for the drop.

 

Not sure where you thought you were but this is a Newcastle United forum.

[HawK]

These last few pages 

 

Its pretty obvious to anyone who knows a decent amount about football that if we got our act together we should be at least a top 6 side and at least challenging for cups.

 

Forgot about this oh but we we were relegated 6 years ago crap, we still had a top squad and were in the top 5 in the UK for attendance's throughout the championship, strolling the championship accordingly. Again forgot about the myth that we can't compete with other clubs finances until very recently we were one of the worlds 20 richest clubs, in the richest league in the world and again getting some of the highest attendance's in the league.

 

Yes Ashley has to take a lot of the blame as he hasn't invested anywhere near enough but for whatever reason the level of players we can still attract is still high and we are still picking up some of the best european youth prospects. In fact each year (when we spend) we are actually picking up better and better players and yet this doesn't correspond on the pitch.

 

One of our player leaves and all of a sudden we have no creativity, can't score goals and can't defend, something doesn't add up. That something Pardew. We concede one goal and we are f***ed. In fact if we score before 70 minutes we are f***ed as we will sit back and hope we get the result "over the line". Pardew's sole tactic is get it in the mixer and hope for some magic, he belongs in league 1 at best (in fact he was pie'd off when he was in league 1).

 

 

Such as?

 

Like I have said, about 15 times, I do not defend his tactics or his style of play. We have spent pretty much +-0 pounds in the last 5 years so if you consider that we are somehow still in fricking EPL where eveyone is splashing cash left, right and center. And this sentence doesn't mean AP has done great job, but it is a fact that Mike doesn't want to spend.

 

At least a top 6 side?  on our better times under Sir Bobby yes, not with the current owner and the situation with the big clubs. They don't even look to spend reasonably. Ffs Everton paid about 30 million for Lukaku? We are not going to spend anywhere near that kind of money.

 

 

 

You're on the take mate. Arsenal had a net spend of 0 for the past 8 years before last seaons and were in the Champions League every season. What's your point?

[Guest Roger Kint]

Everton don't even look to spend reasonably. Everton have spent nothing more than the giant truck full of cash that Sky parked outside their ground, after years of penny pinching. That's perfectly reasonable.

 

 

About £20m of ther spending this summer was player sales the previous year. They are trousering the TV cash too

[Wullie]

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/big-toon-survey-newcastle-united-7610414

 

If these are any guide, we genuinely have some of the stupidest fans in the country making up a sizeable proportion of the support.

[Dave]

1 in 4 reckon he's great or good. Fucking hell.

[KaKa]

Man, people out there actually think Pardew is "great". Can't get my head around that one at all 

[Dave]

A top ten last season and but for the disruption mid-season, we could have finished top six comfortably.

 

Aye, we were only 20 points short.

[Flip]

A top ten last season and but for the disruption mid-season, we could have finished top six comfortably.

 

Aye, we were only 20 points short.

 

It's not even a laughing matter anymore. Can't believe there's people like this out there ffs.

[KaKa]

The disruption 

 

Man, the way they go on about that Cabaye sale is just embarrassing. The other players should be heavily offended by it.

[Guest Roger Kint]

1 in 4 reckon he's great or good. Fucking hell.

 

2/3 think he was average or better. Our fans are idiots

 

How is 4 wins from 20 anything but garbage?

[Interpolic]

Neil Cameron is such an atrotious writer.  Always know it's him writing even when I skim the article quickly, and I don't mean that in a good way.

[AY]

These last few pages 

 

Its pretty obvious to anyone who knows a decent amount about football that if we got our act together we should be at least a top 6 side and at least challenging for cups.

 

Forgot about this oh but we we were relegated 6 years ago crap, we still had a top squad and were in the top 5 in the UK for attendance's throughout the championship, strolling the championship accordingly. Again forgot about the myth that we can't compete with other clubs finances until very recently we were one of the worlds 20 richest clubs, in the richest league in the world and again getting some of the highest attendance's in the league.

 

Yes Ashley has to take a lot of the blame as he hasn't invested anywhere near enough but for whatever reason the level of players we can still attract is still high and we are still picking up some of the best european youth prospects. In fact each year (when we spend) we are actually picking up better and better players and yet this doesn't correspond on the pitch.

 

One of our player leaves and all of a sudden we have no creativity, can't score goals and can't defend, something doesn't add up. That something Pardew. We concede one goal and we are f***ed. In fact if we score before 70 minutes we are f***ed as we will sit back and hope we get the result "over the line". Pardew's sole tactic is get it in the mixer and hope for some magic, he belongs in league 1 at best (in fact he was pie'd off when he was in league 1).

 

 

Such as?

 

Like I have said, about 15 times, I do not defend his tactics or his style of play. We have spent pretty much +-0 pounds in the last 5 years so if you consider that we are somehow still in fricking EPL where eveyone is splashing cash left, right and center. And this sentence doesn't mean AP has done great job, but it is a fact that Mike doesn't want to spend.

 

At least a top 6 side?  on our better times under Sir Bobby yes, not with the current owner and the situation with the big clubs. They don't even look to spend reasonably. Ffs Everton paid about 30 million for Lukaku? We are not going to spend anywhere near that kind of money.

 

 

 

You're on the take mate. Arsenal had a net spend of 0 for the past 8 years before last seaons and were in the Champions League every season. What's your point?

 

So you are now comparing us to Arsenal? who has in the previous 20 years once finished outside top4? I think they are a bit stronger than us and their youth pool maybe a bit better.

 

Nevermind Wenger is 50 times better manager and better at developing young players than Pardew.

[Skeletor]

For many, including John Connolly, this season is his final chance. He said: “Pardew has got a lot of making- up to do. He’s started with bringing players in, now we have to perform.”

 

 

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[Guest Haris Vuckic]

It's amazing how many  haven't caught up to the fact the manager at most clubs has pretty much no say in transfers.

 

[Guest firetotheworks]

I've been writing a poem about him. It's come to that, here's a teaser to how much you're likely to cringe.

 

I'll take the blame, of course!

(in my choice of a lower chain)

Young players and Ben Arfa's flatpack track back,

When self blame reads name and shame.

[HawK]

These last few pages 

 

Its pretty obvious to anyone who knows a decent amount about football that if we got our act together we should be at least a top 6 side and at least challenging for cups.

 

Forgot about this oh but we we were relegated 6 years ago crap, we still had a top squad and were in the top 5 in the UK for attendance's throughout the championship, strolling the championship accordingly. Again forgot about the myth that we can't compete with other clubs finances until very recently we were one of the worlds 20 richest clubs, in the richest league in the world and again getting some of the highest attendance's in the league.

 

Yes Ashley has to take a lot of the blame as he hasn't invested anywhere near enough but for whatever reason the level of players we can still attract is still high and we are still picking up some of the best european youth prospects. In fact each year (when we spend) we are actually picking up better and better players and yet this doesn't correspond on the pitch.

 

One of our player leaves and all of a sudden we have no creativity, can't score goals and can't defend, something doesn't add up. That something Pardew. We concede one goal and we are f***ed. In fact if we score before 70 minutes we are f***ed as we will sit back and hope we get the result "over the line". Pardew's sole tactic is get it in the mixer and hope for some magic, he belongs in league 1 at best (in fact he was pie'd off when he was in league 1).

 

 

Such as?

 

Like I have said, about 15 times, I do not defend his tactics or his style of play. We have spent pretty much +-0 pounds in the last 5 years so if you consider that we are somehow still in fricking EPL where eveyone is splashing cash left, right and center. And this sentence doesn't mean AP has done great job, but it is a fact that Mike doesn't want to spend.

 

At least a top 6 side?  on our better times under Sir Bobby yes, not with the current owner and the situation with the big clubs. They don't even look to spend reasonably. Ffs Everton paid about 30 million for Lukaku? We are not going to spend anywhere near that kind of money.

 

 

 

You're on the take mate. Arsenal had a net spend of 0 for the past 8 years before last seaons and were in the Champions League every season. What's your point?

 

So you are now comparing us to Arsenal? who has in the previous 20 years once finished outside top4? I think they are a bit stronger than us and their youth pool maybe a bit better.

 

Nevermind Wenger is 50 times better manager and better at developing young players than Pardew.

 

Thank you.

[Yorkie]

It's absolutely exhausting talking to some of our fans. Amongst some of my friends out here - one of which is as Toon mad as I am - I'm a figure of fun due to my disdain of Pardew. "He's alright, man! Players were shit!"

 

It's staggering the effect a few signings has on fan mentality. This particular lad is absolutely ecstatic about our transfer business this summer. How, man? Have you learned nothing? We've signed some talented players that we can be excited and optimistic about on an individual level, sure, but, to me, all we've done is broken even - stood still. Both financially and from a squad point of view. Even then I'm not convinced that our team is better than it was a year ago. We need one of our strikers to go against the odds and hit the ground running immediately. There's absolutely zero PL pedigree in that part of the squad, as far as I'm concerned.

 

That Chronicle poll just proves it, like. The signings effect. After the Arsenal defeat, 80% wanted him out, according to the same voters on the same website. Now look. Optimism. It's ridiculous, man. Can't understand how people are so short-sighted. Clapping like seals cos the club's identified that we still need to name 18 players per match day.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I find it hard to criticise the fans too much for a bit of optimism, as far as I remember it's how football always has been. A majority of the fans are never going to dissect things like we do on here, they're going to be influenced by short-term things like signings. And even just the start of a new season.

 

In fact I think it's a good thing in a lot of ways, at least they can get some enjoyment out of NUFC.

[ScottishMagpie]

It's absolutely exhausting talking to some of our fans. Amongst some of my friends out here - one of which is as Toon mad as I am - I'm a figure of fun due to my disdain of Pardew. "He's alright, man! Players were s***!"

 

It's staggering the effect a few signings has on fan mentality. This particular lad is absolutely ecstatic about our transfer business this summer. How, man? Have you learned nothing? We've signed some talented players that we can be excited and optimistic about on an individual level, sure, but, to me, all we've done is broken even - stood still. Both financially and from a squad point of view. Even then I'm not convinced that our team is better than it was a year ago. We need one of our strikers to go against the odds and hit the ground running immediately. There's absolutely zero PL pedigree in that part of the squad, as far as I'm concerned.

 

That Chronicle poll just proves it, like. The signings effect. After the Arsenal defeat, 80% wanted him out, according to the same voters on the same website. Now look. Optimism. It's ridiculous, man. Can't understand how people are so short-sighted. Clapping like seals cos the club's identified that we still need to name 18 players per match day.

 

[Mick]

I don't know what people expect from Pardew? Ignoring his off the pitch antics,  he hasn't actually done that bad a job really

 

11/12: 5th place out of nowhere

12/13: Europa League QFs with a thin squad picking up countless injuries

13/14: Top 10 finish last season while having his best player Cabaye sold and not replaced

 

But that doesn't go down well because the reality of NUFC not having the resources to compete is so depressing.

 

If you want to blame someone, blame Ashley for not freeing up more funds. Blame Kinnear for being useless. Blame the marketing team for not being able to secure more lucrative sponsorships to compete with the big boys.

Pardew, while not perfect, has done what is expected of him in my eyes

 

Okay, let's make things interesting.

 

What would constitute Pardew failing in your eyes? Not in Ashley's eyes, in your's.

 

Being amongst those in contention for the drop. The situation 2 years ago was forgivable because of a paper thin squad riddled with injuries and a lengthy European run but wouldn't be now. With the likes of Villa, West Brom, Sunderland, Burnley and Palace not pulling up any trees in the transfer market, it would be significant underachievement to be near the bottom.

 

We were virtually fielding 2 different teams in Europe and the league. We had injuries but still lost games which we should have been able to win but the defeatist bastard had us going into games with excuses already peddled for why we were going to lose.

[Dr Venkman]

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/big-toon-survey-newcastle-united-7610414

 

If these are any guide, we genuinely have some of the stupidest fans in the country making up a sizeable proportion of the support.

 

Been saying this for years mate. Time to revive the general stupidity thread.