Ben Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 8 hours ago, Mike said: How is he watching the game live ? I hope it's not a firestick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SteV Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 https://x.com/joshuapsjones/status/1881104792698933347?s=46&t=OQLMckSuatbpqWF13Al4mQ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 8 minutes ago, SteV said: https://x.com/joshuapsjones/status/1881104792698933347?s=46&t=OQLMckSuatbpqWF13Al4mQ Shocking, but not surprising. State of that place! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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r0cafella Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 18 minutes ago, SteV said: https://x.com/joshuapsjones/status/1881104792698933347?s=46&t=OQLMckSuatbpqWF13Al4mQ This is the problem with a lot of automated systems. Absolutely no space for any form of exception and manually intervention is far too much trouble. Awful stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 @Froggywhat are your thoughts on how things are going on the pitch ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 I don't understand why the Manchester United fanbase is so rabid about yesterday. They've played Brighton, who are a good top-half of the table side. Even with home advantages, it was always going to be a tough game for someone in the lower reaches of the league. They gave it a good go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) 16 minutes ago, r0cafella said: @Froggywhat are your thoughts on how things are going on the pitch ? Meh. De Ligt, Maguire, Ugarte, Amad and Fernandes playing well. The rest not so much. Team is still riddled with mental midgets who can't keep concentration for 90 minutes. Wing backs are terrible. Mazraoui was brilliant first half of the season but has started to regress. Dalot out of position and playing awful on the left. Yoro was toasted by Sulemana but Mazraoui offered him zero protection, and he was destroyed by Mitoma again yesterday. Feels like this system needs 3-4 signings, which is only happening if Rashford and/or Garnacho are sold. The league is just one big training session for us now and it's all about the Europa League and FA Cup. EDIT: Sorry, harsh on Mazraoui with Sulemana. It was Amad who didn't give him help. Mazraoui was on the other side because Dalot was suspended. Edited January 20 by Froggy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Just now, Froggy said: Meh. De Ligt, Maguire, Ugarte, Amad and Fernandes playing well. The rest not so much. Team is still riddled with mental midgets who can't keep concentration for 90 minutes. Wing backs are terrible. Mazraoui was brilliant first half of the season but has started to regress. Dalot out of position and playing awful on the left. Yoro was toasted by Sulemana but Mazroaui offered him zero protection, and he was destroyed by Mitoma again yesterday. Feels like this system needs 3-4 signings, which is only happening if Rashford and/or Garnacho are sold. The league is just one big training session for us now and it's all about the Europa League and FA Cup. Where do you stand on the narrative about the system ? Surely a good manager has to adapt to his players? Nobody is saying he can't play his system when he has the players suited for it. It all seems very odd from the outside looking in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 54 minutes ago, Ben said: How is he watching the game live ? I hope it's not a firestick. Yeah I wondered that too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Just now, r0cafella said: Where do you stand on the narrative about the system ? Surely a good manager has to adapt to his players? Nobody is saying he can't play his system when he has the players suited for it. It all seems very odd from the outside looking in. Nope I agree with the manager. He's been brought in to play his way, so play it. No point adapting like Ten Hag did and gaining a false position and then trying to retrain players in pre-season. He can't bring in 11 new players. I think if he went back to Ole ball for the rest of the season it would leave him far too much to do in the summer. He's playing his way, and he's giving everyone a chance. Even Antony despite having one foot out the door has had multiple chances. He's just confirming who will be here next season and who won't be IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) 1 minute ago, Froggy said: Nope I agree with the manager. He's been brought in to play his way, so play it. No point adapting like Ten Hag did and gaining a false position and then trying to retrain players in pre-season. He can't bring in 11 new players. I think if he went back to Ole ball for the rest of the season it would leave him far too much to do in the summer. He's playing his way, and he's giving everyone a chance. Even Antony despite having one foot out the door has had multiple chances. He's just confirming who will be here next season and who won't be IMO. Fair enough Your owner doesn't seem like the patient type so this seems like a gamble on his part. Edited January 20 by r0cafella Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Pre Amorim era Spoiler Current Amorim era Spoiler Current stance Aka, please sack me Ratcliffe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, Ben said: How is he watching the game live ? I hope it's not a firestick. 20 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said: Yeah I wondered that too Cleary watching snide because of the delay. People telling him "it's a penalty" on his live chat and him waiting for it to come on his feed 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 58 minutes ago, SteV said: https://x.com/joshuapsjones/status/1881104792698933347?s=46&t=OQLMckSuatbpqWF13Al4mQ Need an "unlike" option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 11 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Fair enough Your owner doesn't seem like the patient type so this seems like a gamble on his part. That's on Ratcliffe if he wants to go that route. You can't bring in an exciting new manager who has a specific style then sack him after 10 weeks because it's not clicked immediately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Just now, Froggy said: That's on Ratcliffe if he wants to go that route. You can't bring in an exciting new manager who has a specific style then sack him after 10 weeks because it's not clicked immediately. Your a generous soul. Radcliffe would obviously have his share of blame but the way Manchester United fans are bending over backwards to absolve the manager of any responsibility is fascinating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Going to say it now, if that’s true then it’s very poor, however if his grandad has dementia and isn’t able to do basic things like scan in etc, then the club should be saying that he needs carer to go with him. Not a chance that I would want someone I know being in that position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 minute ago, r0cafella said: Your a generous soul. Radcliffe would obviously have his share of blame but the way Manchester United fans are bending over backwards to absolve the manager of any responsibility is fascinating. I think it makes perfect sense that Amorim doesn't get any blame. Yet. He's doing things we've been begging for for ages as well, i.e. binning the likes of Antony and Rashford and making players like Amad the focus. I find his honesty refreshing, even if opposition fans find it jarring. Ten Hag was full of excuses whereas Amorim just says it how it is. If the players can't handle that, then they're not up to it. I would expect a lot of movement around transfers in the summer, and he'll get another season to improve significantly. Not going to lie and say I expected it to be this bad when he came in though. It's worse than I expected, and we wouldn't put up with this next season after he gets a summer window to get some of his own players in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 7 minutes ago, Stifler said: Going to say it now, if that’s true then it’s very poor, however if his grandad has dementia and isn’t able to do basic things like scan in etc, then the club should be saying that he needs carer to go with him. Not a chance that I would want someone I know being in that position. I don't think, from reading the tweet, that the old fella's dementia is off a cliff. He may even go with others, it's not defined. My take on it is his paper ticket doesn't graft, regardless of his mental capacity. That's the issue. The dementia bit is probably thrown in for extra empathy. As you say, if he was that bad with it he would need support anyway. As a basic, customer support issue, it's poor. Maybees it's a thing now with box office mandarin 😔 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Froggy said: I think it makes perfect sense that Amorim doesn't get any blame. Yet. He's doing things we've been begging for for ages as well, i.e. binning the likes of Antony and Rashford and making players like Amad the focus. I find his honesty refreshing, even if opposition fans find it jarring. Ten Hag was full of excuses whereas Amorim just says it how it is. If the players can't handle that, then they're not up to it. I would expect a lot of movement around transfers in the summer, and he'll get another season to improve significantly. Not going to lie and say I expected it to be this bad when he came in though. It's worse than I expected, and we wouldn't put up with this next season after he gets a summer window to get some of his own players in. Yeah I get your point it's not one I can agree with but I understand your reasoning. If a manager wishes to pick and choose which players he's managing and be totally dogmatic it's fine as long as your winning. When you aren't it's hugely problematic. I think Ange at Spurs is a perfect example of this. To add on, one of the reasons Howe is very highly rated by most of our fans is his ability to get more from players than what people thought they were capable of, it's the mark of a good manager. On the face of it, we aren't seeing anything like this at your lot just people saying how terrible every player is. Edited January 20 by r0cafella Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) Honesty is one thing, but saying this is shit that is shit, and doing little about it isn’t some master manager because he says how it is. He’s a good coach because he produced at Sporting and you don’t get the heights he did by being average, but then certain coaches need the perfect environment and when it’s not that, they’re clueless and flap. That’s something fans can’t grasp. Narrative is ‘he’s finding out who’s staying here next season etc’. The XI he keeps putting out, have to all stay because there’s big money tied up in them. And we all know the manager is easier to replace than players which makesMan Utd are no different to any other club. The days of SAF are way in the distant past. He’s long way from being the first coach that’s been superb elsewhere and crash and burned in a different league because the environment hasn’t been right, and neither will he be the last. His blessing is the Europa is weak so should get something going if they avoid Bilbao till the final. Edited January 20 by Sibierski Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Froggy said: That's on Ratcliffe if he wants to go that route. You can't bring in an exciting new manager who has a specific style then sack him after 10 weeks because it's not clicked immediately. I agree, as he says the fans will have to live through all the memes for this season. It hurts, but it might be necessary. Next season will be the real test. No point in trying to fix this one, might aswell use it to implement the new style over time. Edited January 20 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 In all fairness, I do think it’s right Amorim gets given time to rebuild the club. I also think that the fact he hasn’t had a new manager bounce effect, just shows the fact that the majority of players have checked out. In saying that I think saying he’s not going to change and he’s only got 1 plan, makes him sound like Ange who is unwilling to change to fit games and is very limited. I understand his true meaning was he’s got a plan, and it’s going to take time to get everyone on board with it and for it to take effect, but he’s worded it badly. In saying this, I hope he is actually like Ange and will relentlessly make the same mistakes over and over again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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