Ben Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, Geogaddi said: I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they still won a cup this season, no matter how bad they are it could still happen, it's what they do. Did Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Amorim could be a great coach. But it's a big decision and a summer move imo. Liverpool had the right idea, they didn't want to commit the first team squad to playing a back 5 which is a calculated decision. There's benefits to Man U to going against that but they actually need to give him the squad to make it happen. Giving him the job but an unsuitable squad may irrevocably damage his standing and reputation similar to Rangnick. Similar happened with Emery at Arsenal. He wasn't even that bad but he lost the confidence of the squad and fans and he was done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 31 minutes ago, The Fountain said: How long do you think he should have a free pass? This season. Would expect a huge improvement next season. Anything like what's happening now and he'd be gone by November IMO. 10 minutes ago, Ben said: Did We're literally the reigning FA Cup champions of the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 The problem Man Utd have (and Ashworth had) is that they need to overhaul their squad to play a 3-4-3. If Amorim does not work out, they've then got a squad wedded to that formation so his replacement needs to play that way too. If this works for them (and tbh i think it will), they're golden, if it doesn't, they'll be even more fucked than they are now imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 minute ago, lovejoy said: The problem Man Utd have (and Ashworth had) is that they need to overhaul their squad to play a 3-4-3. If Amorim does not work out, they've then got a squad wedded to that formation so his replacement needs to play that way too. If this works for them (and tbh i think it will), they're golden, if it doesn't, they'll be even more fucked than they are now imo. I think people are reading into this a bit much. The only specialised players for this system that don't fit into others are the wing backs. It's not like money is going to be spent on 11 players who won't be able to play 4-3-3 or 4-4-2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Yeah, as long as they get wing backs that can play full back then any other player should be fine playing any other formation So the midfielder he needs to give serious legs in the middle should still thrive in a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1 etc etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie_b Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 2 minutes ago, Froggy said: It's not like money is going to be spent on 11 players who won't be able to play 4-3-3 or 4-4-2. You've spent £1.5bn across the last decade on players who apparently can't... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 All 3 CB positions are specialist as well as the two 10s in his system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 3 minutes ago, Smal said: All 3 CB positions are specialist as well as the two 10s in his system. Any CB or #10 bought for a 3-4-3 will be able to play in any formation that requires CB's or #10's, which these days is all of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 3 minutes ago, Froggy said: I think people are reading into this a bit much. The only specialised players for this system that don't fit into others are the wing backs. It's not like money is going to be spent on 11 players who won't be able to play 4-3-3 or 4-4-2. Also need more players capable of playing CB. Different profiles for the wide CB roles too. From what I've seen De Ligt and Maguire might be your best CBs atm but neither is a wide CB (definitely not Maguire). Conte found workarounds though. He often played Azpi at RCB and a converted winger at RWB (Moses) so in essence a RB and RM squad profile wise. Tuchel was fortunate to have fullbacks that were also natural wingbacks. And both managers had a prime Kante which might've been the most important aspect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Froggy said: Any CB or #10 bought for a 3-4-3 will be able to play in any formation that requires CB's or #10's, which these days is all of them. the majority of CBs are too slow or not good enough at defending wide areas to play in the outside positions of a 3 at the top level. Edited January 20 by Smal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 16 minutes ago, Froggy said: I think people are reading into this a bit much. The only specialised players for this system that don't fit into others are the wing backs. It's not like money is going to be spent on 11 players who won't be able to play 4-3-3 or 4-4-2. Well that begs the question as to how you are struggling so badly now? Is it really just a lack of two wing backs? You look dogshit from front to back whenever i see you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 minute ago, lovejoy said: Well that begs the question as to how you are struggling so badly now? Is it really just a lack of two wing backs? You look dogshit from front to back whenever i see you I'm not saying we only need wing backs, I'm just saying they're the only specialised positions that might not fit into a future team without Amorim at the helm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 It’s fine to give Amorim a free pass this season but Froggy I really know a lot of fans started to lose faith on him and think might be Man Utd should hire someone else this summer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 36 minutes ago, Smal said: All 3 CB positions are specialist as well as the two 10s in his system. And a CM for me, because Ugarte / Mainoo just won't work. Amazes me how often I see Man Utd, how slow Mainoo is tracking back. I just don't think it's in his natural mindset to sprint back which makes him in a two an issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 3 minutes ago, Sibierski said: And a CM for me, because Ugarte / Mainoo just won't work. Amazes me how often I see Man Utd, how slow Mainoo is tracking back. I just don't think it's in his natural mindset to sprint back which makes him in a two an issue. We desperately need another CM to partner Ugarte. Mainoo is very good, but he still needs a lot of development and needs to be protected. Ugarte is doing all of that work himself in there at the minute, and Mainoo isn't offering enough going forward for that to be acceptable. In terms of importance I think it's the following: LWB - Doesn't need any explanation. We don't really have a suitable left back that can stay fit. CM - As mentioned above. Needs more depth to let Mainoo develop properly. Eriksen and Casemiro too old. CF - Hojlund is 21 and not yet ready to be the starting striker. Zirkzee is 23 and more of a #10 IMO. RWB - Dalot might be alright here as he has the pace, but would need depth either way as Mazraoui is too slow. Mazraoui would be more of a squad player for numerous positions. GK - Onana is SHIT. CAM - Someone to backup Bruno and Amad. It's going to take a few windows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 No chance Owld Jim is letting you plug all those holes any time soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Just now, Dr.Spaceman said: No chance Owld Jim is letting you plug all those holes any time soon Can't argue. It's totally reliant on sales. If we sell Rashford or Garnacho for anything significant we'll be able to spend a fortune though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The College Dropout Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, Sibierski said: And a CM for me, because Ugarte / Mainoo just won't work. Amazes me how often I see Man Utd, how slow Mainoo is tracking back. I just don't think it's in his natural mindset to sprint back which makes him in a two an issue. Similar to Miley where athleticism isn’t a strength with Mainoo. Doesn’t know the game/position well enough to compensate yet. Still has a lot to develop physically too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 52 minutes ago, Froggy said: Can't argue. It's totally reliant on sales. If we sell Rashford or Garnacho for anything significant we'll be able to spend a fortune though. Is there a market for Rashford, though? Feel like you're gonna end up eating more than half of those wages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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STM Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Again it comes back to expectations. Their team/squad is horrific. Not even average but literally filled with players who wouldn't get games at other PL clubs. Fernandes is their only exceptional player. They've got two young lads in Amad and Mainoo who've got bright futures but under SAF would have been drip fed into the team, not relied upon as their star players. Keeper is shite, defenders are shite (De Ligt showing a glimmer of hope), Ugarte ain't it either, if PSG didn't want him, then Man United shouldn't want him. Sign young hungry players. Kerkez, Delap, Semenyo, Cunha, players of this standard. Stop buying over priced, over paid players who failed elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, Dr.Spaceman said: No chance Owld Jim is letting you plug all those holes any time soon He won't even plug the holes in the roof without laying off some Admin, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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